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Topic: What do you think is a Viable Global Community.
AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 07:50 PM
Our world has become a village. (i.e you can reach anyone in the community within minutes).

Does our survival depend on a Global Community of neighbors?

Does it depend on a Global Community of warring tribes?

Which do you think would benefit mankind the most...and why?

Which do you think we have now?

What do you think constitutes a 'viable global community'?

lonetar25's photo
Mon 07/13/09 07:54 PM



What do you think constitutes a 'viable global community'?


england with a wall round it

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:00 PM




What do you think constitutes a 'viable global community'?


england with a wall round it

That would hardly be 'viable' would choke itself off and start eating its innards...bigsmile

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:02 PM
wow...deep question AB. not sure I would even have an answer. Are you asking how a world community would work best?

lonetar25's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:02 PM
true
but i`d be dead by then :thumbsup:

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:02 PM

Our world has become a village. (i.e you can reach anyone in the community within minutes).

Does our survival depend on a Global Community of neighbors?

Does it depend on a Global Community of warring tribes?

Which do you think would benefit mankind the most...and why?

Which do you think we have now?

What do you think constitutes a 'viable global community'?
:smile: A democratic, mixed capitalist/socialist society:smile:

lonetar25's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:05 PM
as a race there ar two things we do natraly
tribe
mate
we will never change for the better
we are definatly going to die out from our own doing

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:08 PM


Our world has become a village. (i.e you can reach anyone in the community within minutes).

Does our survival depend on a Global Community of neighbors?

Does it depend on a Global Community of warring tribes?

Which do you think would benefit mankind the most...and why?

Which do you think we have now?

What do you think constitutes a 'viable global community'?
:smile: A democratic, mixed capitalist/socialist society:smile:

That's a start...

As an American I am not willing to give up rights gar-on-teeed in my constitution.

However... I ain't stupid. We NEED a working global community else we do not advance as a race. (I could of course be wrong).

So, for those that are American... what would YOU need to see (being REALISTIC) to know that it would work and still mean we (and all other nations) keep our 'soverignity'.

and for those of other countries that might be thinking along the same lines... What would YOU need to accept such a thing as a viable world community.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:10 PM



Our world has become a village. (i.e you can reach anyone in the community within minutes).

Does our survival depend on a Global Community of neighbors?

Does it depend on a Global Community of warring tribes?

Which do you think would benefit mankind the most...and why?

Which do you think we have now?

What do you think constitutes a 'viable global community'?
:smile: A democratic, mixed capitalist/socialist society:smile:

That's a start...

As an American I am not willing to give up rights gar-on-teeed in my constitution.

However... I ain't stupid. We NEED a working global community else we do not advance as a race. (I could of course be wrong).

So, for those that are American... what would YOU need to see (being REALISTIC) to know that it would work and still mean we (and all other nations) keep our 'soverignity'.

and for those of other countries that might be thinking along the same lines... What would YOU need to accept such a thing as a viable world community.




:smile: We would need a world constitution that everyone agrees on, and the understanding that not everyone is going to get what they want.:smile:The american constitution would be a good basis.:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:12 PM
:smile: A mixed capitalist/socialist economy (like most western countries have had for about 100 years)is the best economic model:smile:

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:20 PM

:smile: A mixed capitalist/socialist economy (like most western countries have had for about 100 years)is the best economic model:smile:

Hard concept to swallow for someone that does not believe in large scale socialism.

For me it is all right at the small community level where its cost can be kept down. At a larger level to much government is needed to make it work right.

How bout socialist communities that tie into a capitalistic market?

With barter as the currency and quality as the worth index?

(i.e make a poor product... get taxed by the system).

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:31 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 07/13/09 08:33 PM


:smile: A mixed capitalist/socialist economy (like most western countries have had for about 100 years)is the best economic model:smile:

Hard concept to swallow for someone that does not believe in large scale socialism.

For me it is all right at the small community level where its cost can be kept down. At a larger level to much government is needed to make it work right.

How bout socialist communities that tie into a capitalistic market?

With barter as the currency and quality as the worth index?

(i.e make a poor product... get taxed by the system).
:smile: Its what we have had for decades throughout the western countries:smile:Pure capitalism leads to legalized slavery.:smile: When we began to mix it life improved for everyone:smile: The mixed model is what works best and that is what made America great:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:37 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 07/13/09 08:38 PM
:smile: Food stamps for the starving.:smile: Social Security for the elderly, and disabled.:smile: Fair wages for workers.:smile: Safer working conditions:smile: Orphanages for orphans.:smile: These things came about from the socialist revolution.:smile: That is what I mean by a mixed system:smile: Of course the rich people dont want you to know that.bigsmile But I know by now that you are smarter than that Adventure.drinker

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:42 PM
:smile: A constitutional democratic/republic political system is what I think would work best for a goverment:smile:

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:44 PM
Is the United Nations a viable global community?

IF you think so why?

IF you think not why?

MyHO...

As an American I am darn glad we have a veto.

I reckon a Chinese citizen (and those from the other veto countries) feels the same way... That veto protects us...

(and I can not believe I am saying this)

That veto makes the United Nations inept at world governance.

and is not fair (in a truely VIABLE Global Community) to the citizens of countries that have it not.

I am not however willing to give up that veto unless my way of life is shown the same respect as those of other countries.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:50 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 07/13/09 08:54 PM

Is the United Nations a viable global community?

IF you think so why?

IF you think not why?

MyHO...

As an American I am darn glad we have a veto.

I reckon a Chinese citizen (and those from the other veto countries) feels the same way... That veto protects us...

(and I can not believe I am saying this)

That veto makes the United Nations inept at world governance.

and is not fair (in a truely VIABLE Global Community) to the citizens of countries that have it not.

I am not however willing to give up that veto unless my way of life is shown the same respect as those of other countries.



:smile: Well, the UN isnt supposed to be a world goverment and wasnt founded with that intention and never has been.:smile: Its actually a forum for countries to air their grievances against each other "in public" in order to try to avoid another world war.:smile: Its a kind of "safety valve" for the world community to blow off some steam.:smile: Its to keep countries talking instead of shooting (on a large scale):smile: We havent had any world wars since it was founded:smile:Some countries like to bash the UN because they dont always get their way.:smile:It has actually done a lot of humanitarian good in the past ,and does do its job even though certain countries dont always get their way. :smile:

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 08:59 PM


Is the United Nations a viable global community?

IF you think so why?

IF you think not why?

MyHO...

As an American I am darn glad we have a veto.

I reckon a Chinese citizen (and those from the other veto countries) feels the same way... That veto protects us...

(and I can not believe I am saying this)

That veto makes the United Nations inept at world governance.

and is not fair (in a truely VIABLE Global Community) to the citizens of countries that have it not.

I am not however willing to give up that veto unless my way of life is shown the same respect as those of other countries.



:smile: Well, the UN isnt supposed to be a world goverment and wasnt founded with that intention and never has been.:smile: Its actually a forum for countries to air their grievances against each other "in public" in order to try to avoid another world war.:smile: Its a kind of "safety valve" for the world community to blow off some steam.:smile: Its to keep countries talking instead of shooting (on a large scale):smile: We havent has any world wars since it was founded:smile:Some countries like to bash the UN because they dont always get their way.:smile:

Aye but if it was working the towers would still stand... and Sadam would have been toppled without our help(because its citizens would have been supported by a COMMUNITY...

The United Nations was viable for a time it is no longer... Humanity (WE) CANNOT AFFORD TO BURN OUR NEST JUST YET.




MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 09:08 PM



Is the United Nations a viable global community?

IF you think so why?

IF you think not why?

MyHO...

As an American I am darn glad we have a veto.

I reckon a Chinese citizen (and those from the other veto countries) feels the same way... That veto protects us...

(and I can not believe I am saying this)

That veto makes the United Nations inept at world governance.

and is not fair (in a truely VIABLE Global Community) to the citizens of countries that have it not.

I am not however willing to give up that veto unless my way of life is shown the same respect as those of other countries.



:smile: Well, the UN isnt supposed to be a world goverment and wasnt founded with that intention and never has been.:smile: Its actually a forum for countries to air their grievances against each other "in public" in order to try to avoid another world war.:smile: Its a kind of "safety valve" for the world community to blow off some steam.:smile: Its to keep countries talking instead of shooting (on a large scale):smile: We havent has any world wars since it was founded:smile:Some countries like to bash the UN because they dont always get their way.:smile:

Aye but if it was working the towers would still stand... and Sadam would have been toppled without our help(because its citizens would have been supported by a COMMUNITY...

The United Nations was viable for a time it is no longer... Humanity (WE) CANNOT AFFORD TO BURN OUR NEST JUST YET.







:smile: No,the towers were an act of terrorism.:smile:The UN is there in the hopes of stopping another World War scenario like what started the Great War and WW2 ,when countries stopped talking and started allying up into groups.:smile: Terrorism is new to Americans but not to the rest of the world.:smile: Ask the British.:smile: :smile: There is no "silver bullet"cure:smile: Its just something you have to deal with the best you can:smile:The UN isnt there to coordinate wars.:smile:It is there to facilitate communication and humanitarian efforts and small scale peacekeeping (like in parts of Africa).:smile: The world is better with it than without it.:smile: Its not a goverment.:smile:Its a relationship.:smile: You got to look past the propaganda some countries put out occasionally because they dont get their way sometimes.:smile: The right wing goverment here didnt like the UN because they didnt always get their way (just most of the time).:smile:its not fair to always expect other countries to agree with you 100% of the time.:smile:

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 07/13/09 09:31 PM

:smile: No,the towers were an act of terrorism.:smile:The UN is there in the hopes of stopping another World War scenario like what started the Great War and WW2 ,when countries stopped talking and started allying up into groups.:smile: Terrorism is new to Americans but not to the rest of the world.:smile: Ask the British.:smile: :smile: There is no "silver bullet"cure:smile: Its just something you have to deal with the best you can:smile:The UN isnt there to coordinate wars.:smile:It is there to facilitate communication and humanitarian efforts and small scale peacekeeping (like in parts of Africa).:smile: The world is better with it than without it.:smile: Its not a goverment.:smile:Its a relationship.:smile: You got to look past the propaganda some countries put out occasionally because they dont get their way sometimes.:smile: The right wing goverment here didnt like the UN because they didnt always get their way (just most of the time).:smile:its not fair to always expect other countries to agree with you 100% of the time.:smile:


Countries are lined up in groups... NATO, UN, EU, TALIBAN, AL-QUAIDA, PLO, etc... (PLEASE someone correct me if I am wrong) these are all groups with military or equivalent forces that are currently engaging each other... are they not?

If the UN is there to prevent allying into groups to make war then it has failed miserably.

But I digress...

What do you think the North Korean citizens would want that would make them sincerly join a world community?


MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/13/09 09:43 PM


:smile: No,the towers were an act of terrorism.:smile:The UN is there in the hopes of stopping another World War scenario like what started the Great War and WW2 ,when countries stopped talking and started allying up into groups.:smile: Terrorism is new to Americans but not to the rest of the world.:smile: Ask the British.:smile: :smile: There is no "silver bullet"cure:smile: Its just something you have to deal with the best you can:smile:The UN isnt there to coordinate wars.:smile:It is there to facilitate communication and humanitarian efforts and small scale peacekeeping (like in parts of Africa).:smile: The world is better with it than without it.:smile: Its not a goverment.:smile:Its a relationship.:smile: You got to look past the propaganda some countries put out occasionally because they dont get their way sometimes.:smile: The right wing goverment here didnt like the UN because they didnt always get their way (just most of the time).:smile:its not fair to always expect other countries to agree with you 100% of the time.:smile:


Countries are lined up in groups... NATO, UN, EU, TALIBAN, AL-QUAIDA, PLO, etc... (PLEASE someone correct me if I am wrong) these are all groups with military or equivalent forces that are currently engaging each other... are they not?

If the UN is there to prevent allying into groups to make war then it has failed miserably.

But I digress...

What do you think the North Korean citizens would want that would make them sincerly join a world community?


:smile: Study the history of the lead up to the Great War and WW2 to see how the entangling alliances led to those conflicts.:smile: Taliban,Al-qaida,and PLO arnt countries.:smile: UN is a forum.:smile: NATO is a pact.:smile: No ,they are not all engaging each other in war.:smile: And the main thing the North Koreans want is FOOD.:smile: I do not think we are ready to have a world community.:smile:This was supposed to be a theoretical discussion about what a viable world goverment would look like (I thought)when the world is actually ABLE to form one.:smile:Youre a smart guy Adventure (smarter than most) and nobody knows everything so I am sure you will understand when I tell you it could help you a lot to research some of this stuff.:smile: I know you won't have any problems understanding it,and I am not trying to say you will neccessarily agree with me on everything I have said.:smile:I mean it respectfully.drinker

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