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Topic: The Science for a Green World
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Sat 07/18/09 07:16 PM
This thread is to discuss issues for having a better alternative to keep our planet cleaner and alive.

Pollution is on a rise and it can't be good for us.

It is said that there are over 1 billion fossil fuel driving cars on the planet that guzzle up over 80 million gallons of gas per day.

It is also said at this rate there will be a day when we cannot drive cars anymore for their will be no gas left.

We know that in the late 1800s electric cars did actually exist. Today they are still not very popular. Why is that? Is it because they don't drive fast enough?

Then I can remember a car that ran off leftover frying vegetable oil. Yes I had a friend who actually would ask for vegetable oil from restaurants to fill up his old volkswagen beatle each day to get back home. lol

What are your ideas for a greener planet?

Now this thread is not limited to cars only. It is a thread for inventive ideas for a greener planet with less pollution.


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Sat 07/18/09 07:17 PM
Edited by smiless on Sat 07/18/09 07:34 PM
Here is a interesting company that believes the future will be driving cars with algae!


The Holy Grail in the renewable energy sector has been to create a clean, green process which uses only light, water and air to create fuel. Valcent's VAT algae-to-biofuel technology (50% owned with equal partner Global Green Solutions Inc.) mass produces algae, vegetable oil which is suitable for refining into a cost-effective, non-polluting biodiesel. The algae derived fuel will be an energy efficient replacement for fossil fuels and can be used in any diesel powered vehicle or machinery. In addition, 90% by weight of the algae is captured carbon dioxide, which is "sequestered" by this process and so contributes significantly to the reduction of greenhouse gases. Valcent has commissioned the world's first commercial-scale bioreactor pilot project at its test facility in El Paso, Texas.

Current data projects high yields of algae biomass, which will be harvested and processed into algal oil for biofuel feedstock and ingredients in food, pharmaceutical, and health and beauty products at a significantly lower cost than comparable oil-producing crops such as palm and soyabean (soybean).

The VAT technology was developed by Valcent in recognition and response to a huge unsatisfied demand for vegetable oil feedstock by Biodiesel refiners and marketers. Biodiesel, in 2000, was the only alternative fuel in the United States to have successfully completed the Environmental Protection Agency required Tier I and Tier II health effects testing under the Clean Air Act. These tests conclusively demonstrated Biodiesel's significant reduction of virtually all regulated emissions. A U.S. Department of Energy study has shown that the production and use of Biodiesel, compared to petroleum diesel, resulted in a 78.5% reduction in carbon dioxide emissions.

Algae, like all plants, require carbon dioxide, water with nutrients and sunlight for growth. The VAT bioreactor technology is ideal for location adjacent to heavy producers of carbon dioxide such as coal fired power plants, refineries or manufacturing facilities, as the absorption of CO2 by the algae significantly reduces greenhouse gases. These reductions represent value in the form of Certified Emission Reduction credits, so-called carbon credits, in jurisdictions that are signatories to the Kyoto Protocol. Although the carbon credit market is still small, it is growing fast, valued in 2005 at $6.6 Billion in the European Union and projected to increase to $77 Billion if the United States accepts a similar national cap-and-trade program.

Valcent's VAT bioreactor system can be deployed on non-arable land, requires very little water due to its closed circuit process, does not incur significant labor costs and does not employ fossil fuel burning equipment, unlike traditional food/biofuel crops, like soy and palm oil. They require large agricultural acreage, huge volumes of water and chemicals, and traditional farm equipment and labor. They are also much less productive than the HDVB process: soybean, palm oil and conventional pond-grown algae typically yield 48 gallons, 635 gallons and 10,000 gallons per acre per year respectively.

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Sat 07/18/09 07:23 PM

Here is a interesting company that believes the future will be driving cars with algae!


The Holy Grail in the renewable energy sector has been to create a clean, green process which uses only light, water and air to create fuel. Valcent's VAT algae-to-biofuel technology (50% owned with equal partner Gobal Green Solutions Inc.) mass produces algae, vegetable oil which is suitable for refining into a cost-effective, non-polluting biodiesel. The algae derived fuel will be an energy efficient replacement for fossil fuels and can be used in any diesel powered vehicle or machinery. In addition, 90% by weight of the algae is captured carbon dioxide, which is "sequestered" by this process and so contributes significantly to the reduction of greenhouse gases. Valcent has commissioned the world's first commercial-scale bioreactor pilot project at its test facility in El Paso, Texas.

Current data projects high yields of algae biomass, which will be harvested and processed into algal oil for biofuel feedstock and ingredients in food, pharmaceutical, and health and beauty products at a significantly lower cost than comparable oil-producing crops such as palm and soyabean (soybean).

The VAT technology was developed by Valcent in recognition and response to a huge unsatisfied demand for vegetable oil feedstock by Biodiesel refiners and marketers. Biodiesel, in 2000, was the only alternative fuel in the United States to have successfully completed the Environmental Protection Agency required Tier I and Tier II health effects testing under the Clean Air Act. These tests conclusively demonstrated Biodiesel's significant reduction of virtually all regulated emissions. A U.S. Department of Energy study has shown that the production and use of Biodiesel, compared to petroleum diesel, resulted in a 78.5% reduction in carbon dioxide emissions.

Algae, like all plants, require carbon dioxide, water with nutrients and sunlight for growth. The VAT bioreactor technology is ideal for location adjacent to heavy producers of carbon dioxide such as coal fired power plants, refineries or manufacturing facilities, as the absorption of CO2 by the algae significantly reduces greenhouse gases. These reductions represent value in the form of Certified Emission Reduction credits, so-called carbon credits, in jurisdictions that are signatories to the Kyoto Protocol. Although the carbon credit market is still small, it is growing fast, valued in 2005 at $6.6 Billion in the European Union and projected to increase to $77 Billion if the United States accepts a similar national cap-and-trade program.

Valcent's VAT bioreactor system can be deployed on non-arable land, requires very little water due to its closed circuit process, does not incur significant labor costs and does not employ fossil fuel burning equipment, unlike traditional food/biofuel crops, like soy and palm oil. They require large agricultural acreage, huge volumes of water and chemicals, and traditional farm equipment and labor. They are also much less productive than the HDVB process: soybean, palm oil and conventional pond-grown algae typically yield 48 gallons, 635 gallons and 10,000 gallons per acre per year respectively.



Alot of worded...

Mine at justice,mean't i can't even carry at lot,i wish i could,i care alot,but the little i do,doesn't even cover the most that they might compose...
I'm just alittle part flowerforyou

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Sat 07/18/09 07:25 PM
Plant more TREES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sat 07/18/09 07:30 PM
Edited by smiless on Sat 07/18/09 07:31 PM
There are some people trying new ways.

Have you heard of the city of Abu Dhabi. It has embarked upon an ambitious plan to build a zero-emission clean-tech centre in the desert. The question is will it work?

http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12673433


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Sat 07/18/09 07:33 PM

Plant more TREES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has come past that point to plant,that sould have started 20 years ago.

Plant life takes longer to growtears

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Sat 07/18/09 07:38 PM
10 simple (and cheap) green ideas.

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/10-simple-and-cheap-green-ideas.html#

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Sat 07/18/09 07:53 PM


Plant more TREES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has come past that point to plant,that sould have started 20 years ago.

Plant life takes longer to growtears



As much as we want to save,this life is going to craps?

Unless we unite,an stand tall an for get about the goverment.

We the people Stand Tall!!!

We recover once that was lost!

We stand Tall!

Care about your Area that you live in,take your money to the dinners you care most about,we the people,are the ones who strive most,the american dollar wont feed us,until we put it back into the system!

My self...I think we need a parliament.So you blame it on the President?

An so it doesn't get veto in to congress?


So it just comes down to rights,The President,you can blame it on...

But he doesn't have the finely discestion,we aS PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK?

I'm sorry i couldn't use my spell check right,cause for one i don't...

So feel free to hack the **** out of this?


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Sat 07/18/09 07:55 PM

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Sat 07/18/09 07:59 PM


Deepak Chopra,

One of the well meanings of life!

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Sat 07/18/09 08:02 PM
I got angry when gas skyrocketed a year ago. I'm green. I built my own hydrogen fuel cell and have ran it a year now with no problems. My 86 dodge ram pickup truck got 7 miles per gallon. On hydrogen oxygen off cracked water I get 31 miles per gallon consistently. And it runs quiet because the engine doesn't have to work so hard running at full efficiency. Its running 400% more efficient than on gasoline alone. And its been tested heavily. My nitrous oxides emissions are .00004%. That's cleaner than an electric car. The technology has been around 80 years. The reason WE are not running cars on water is because the government, the car companies, and the petroleum industry do not make any money selling water. Its that simple. Screw them. They screw us. I love my truck.

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Sat 07/18/09 08:18 PM
Talking is talking. Act. I've planted millions of wildflowers and trees in my state. And have the letters of accomodation to show for it. I'm a conservationist 100%. I hunt deer to keep down an overpopulated area. And feed starving animals in winter. I work with the state and insurance companies to bait deer away from our roadways to keep deer/ car collisions low and insurance rates down. My home is insulated so well that my electric bill and heat bill are 25 dollars a month year round. The walls are painted in radiance paint which has an R19 rating. The walls and ceiling are heavily insulated. My floors are soundproofed. All outlets are insulated. All lights are low watt flourescents. I use blue goose lightning/ surge protector/ power conditioners in the whole home. 7 of them. When I leave my home I can shut off all power except refriderator and heat. Again- the technology is out there. Don't wait for it to be handed to you. Go out and do it yourself.

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Sat 07/18/09 08:31 PM
Right now I'm working on a dehumidifier for my hydrogen fuel cell that takes the humidity out of the air while I drive and refills my hydrogen fuel cell so I don't have to refill the cells manually with water. It will be self perpetual and will just need regular cleaning maintenence. The unit I built for my freinds toyota nets him 78 miles per gallon. The technology is out there. Unfortunately I'm tired of freaking waiting for it. I've got a degree in physics and engineering and I'm not getting any younger and I'm not waiting for a beurocratic government who is too busy fighting with themselves to address this situation. I'm taking action. Get the hell out of my way. And get out of my way now because I'm green and I'm coming through.

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Sat 07/18/09 08:39 PM

Right now I'm working on a dehumidifier for my hydrogen fuel cell that takes the humidity out of the air while I drive and refills my hydrogen fuel cell so I don't have to refill the cells manually with water. It will be self perpetual and will just need regular cleaning maintenence. The unit I built for my freinds toyota nets him 78 miles per gallon. The technology is out there. Unfortunately I'm tired of freaking waiting for it. I've got a degree in physics and engineering and I'm not getting any younger and I'm not waiting for a beurocratic government who is too busy fighting with themselves to address this situation. I'm taking action. Get the hell out of my way. And get out of my way now because I'm green and I'm coming through.


Get the way out of your Path...Sir

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Sat 07/18/09 08:39 PM
I scared the hell out of many major car executives 6 weeks ago at a meeting of alternative fuels. I told them that they've known about hydrogen oxygen fuel cells for years and hid it all under the table. I told them "Your greed and your selfish unions can't help you now. Starve to death".

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Sat 07/18/09 08:49 PM
If all vehicles on the planet ran an assisted hydrogen oxygen fuel cell today- the world would be 41% cleaner overnight. After all that I've learned in the last year in having a fuel cell vehicle I'm disgusted with auto companies, petroleum companies, and the government. Its the largest coverup in world history. Just pityful.

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Sat 07/18/09 08:58 PM
I've even recycled my hair. 3 times in 11 years for locks for love. I don't think there's any more green I can get. My buell blast motorcycle gets 92 miles per gallon with just a few simple mechanical adjustments. I'm so green I could give kermit a run for his money.

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Sat 07/18/09 09:00 PM
Edited by smiless on Sat 07/18/09 09:03 PM
It surely is. I just finished a program on television about so many innovative scientists with many great ideas. You should have been on there yourself with the stories and actions you partaked.

There are a great many people trying to do things, but the government bought by lobbyists representing huge mega-corporations will make sure they will get the most money out of us, even if it will destroy this planet.

What ashame. Just like grant333 says, we the people need to get together and really demand more rights and fix our governments, although in my country we are doing very well concerning CO2 emissions, including recycling, and coming up with other alternatives to provide a healthier planet. I just wish more will jump onto the bandwagen and install ideas to help preserve this precious planet.

And let us not forget those who believe this is all crap and that the Earth is doing great even with the billions of people polluting it. With their slick words and savvy language one can only shake our heads at how they influence millions (especially in this country) on how we should just keep going as always with fossil fuel technology and other severe polluting processes that are dumped into our waters and air.

This is why I think that at least if we talk about it, we might come up with other ideas and look at real examples of how people actually do things to help preserve our planet. Use the internet, books, people experiences, your ideas and keep this thread alive.

I am doing my share in bits and pieces as we speak and will give a detailed list in a few days drinker

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Sat 07/18/09 09:05 PM
longhairbiker - your're actions are commendable, somehow my attempts to be a good recycler and my push that has gotten many of my customers using cloth bags insteat of plastic make me feel a little below your standards.

From the research I've done, like you I believe that the powerful have succeeded in squashing various forms of energy conservation as you pointed out about cars.

On several occations I have heard President Obama comment that we will find efficient and renewable sources of clean energy AND MAKE IT PAY.

To me this says two things, First that he is well aware that this technology already exists and have been used by other countries. Secondly, that the reason we have not used it and, in fact, what we were WAITING for was the technology to be developed by currently powerful forces (elite and capitalist corporations)by which to effectively CHARGE CUSTOMERS. In other words something akin to charging for the use of radio waves.

Anyway - I need to insulate my home BIG TIME, but have no real disposable funds. Have you any suggestions for what material I can use that is free and(doing the work myself). Oh, I actually thought of mud, but I can't figure out how to get enough dirt, water it and plater it where I need it and have it stay there.

Don't laught - I am trying. I even thought about buying old blankets and such at garage sales and using that, but I would need too much and so couldn't afford that either.

Anyone else having issues with getting to the green?

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Sat 07/18/09 09:05 PM


Plant more TREES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has come past that point to plant,that sould have started 20 years ago.

Plant life takes longer to growtears




There are two best times to plant a tree...

One of them is 20 years ago...
One of them is today!!!

It is not too late to plant trees!


Ask the question~ What can I do today to conserve energy and cut pollution?

One easy thing~ change all your light bulbs to the new florescent ones!!


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