Topic: Above the Law?
cabot's photo
Fri 07/24/09 04:42 PM
Agreed. But the police officer was a sergeant and knew belligerent when he seen it...jmo

Sure blacks have been profiled...so have teens....so have Hispanics...so have people with sports cars. I was a police officer, and believe me, you are under the microscope 24-7. In this case I see it as a simple case of the Professor going off on a policeman responding to a possible burglary. If the Professor was sure of his innocence he normally should have cooperated fully.jmo

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 07/24/09 04:51 PM

Just because something is in a police report does not aways mean it is the truth...
bigsmile bingobigsmile

cabot's photo
Fri 07/24/09 04:54 PM


Just because something is in a police report does not aways mean it is the truth...
bigsmile bingobigsmile


I totally agree...but none of the other officers disputed the report. And please don't say it's their code.

Lets see the other officers reports...as they have to file one also.jmo

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Fri 07/24/09 04:56 PM



Just because something is in a police report does not aways mean it is the truth...
bigsmile bingobigsmile


I totally agree...but none of the other officers disputed the report. And please don't say it's their code.

Lets see the other officers reports...as they have to file one also.jmo



Well of course the officers reports will all match....
silly goose :smile:

Winx's photo
Fri 07/24/09 05:01 PM

I was a police officer for 8 years. First of all the facts in this case that are known...the Professor did not give his ID willingly at first. The police have to run the ID, and in the meantime were verbally assaulted by the Professor. I think the Good Professor knew he had a friend in a high place and used it. He should have been happy the police came to check on his house and cooperated. But the police do not take things at face value, his ID had to be verified. Plenty of fake ones out there. The Professor should have told the neighbors, had a spare key, or whatever.

Then, the President, on a national press conference jumps in with saying, "he did not know all the facts and was not there, but it probably was profiling and the police acted stupidly"...I was shocked. I did not vote for Obama, but have given him my support since the election. He is the President. But as a law student from Harvard, where the Professor is also from, Obama jumped to a quick conclusion. That scared me, he is the President. He should have taken a pass on that question. I lost a lot of respect for Obama on this one.


Also, the Professor is bi-racial and proudly admitted according to DNA results, he is actually 56% white. Yet he jumps on the racial profiling bandwagon.


Yes, he is half white but when he walked down the street his whole life, people saw him as a black man.

Btw, I was not shocked by what he said. I don't see how you could perceive that as being scary.

cabot's photo
Fri 07/24/09 05:04 PM




Just because something is in a police report does not aways mean it is the truth...
bigsmile bingobigsmile


I totally agree...but none of the other officers disputed the report. And please don't say it's their code.

Lets see the other officers reports...as they have to file one also.jmo



Well of course the officers reports will all match....
silly goose :smile:



Did you just Goose me?! Seriously, the Code of police officers is nothing like what it used to be. Too much at stake now. Careers, jobs, family's etc. Besides Police are soooo underpaid it is scary. silly goose.biggrin

Winx's photo
Fri 07/24/09 05:05 PM

Seeing an ID does not prove anything. It must be checked out. The Professor did not cooperate at any stage of the process, in fact, verbally assaulting the officers...there are lines you don't cross. I'm sure the police told him to calm down plenty of times before finally citing him. Now the Professor wants an apology. Paaleeze..he should thank the police for doing a good job..jmo Or was the fact that he is a good friend of the President, motivate his actions?


I think it's more about him being a prestigious college professor at a prestigious college. He's not used to being treated like that.

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Fri 07/24/09 05:08 PM


notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report

gates said door not securable from break in

so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it

he should be charged and the charge should have remained




:smile: Like I said before I think this is being blown out of proportion.:smile: No,I dont think the officer is rascist.:smile: I also dont think its a good idea to piss off a cop.:smile: The cop did not have to make an arrest.:smile: The Professor shown that it was his house, the cop could have just left then.:smile: I would think a person trained in profiling would understand that an african american man of a certain age group would feel threatened by a cop in his own house.:smile: The officer could have had thicker skin and not let an elderly university professor get to him.:smile:The oldman is a prestigious citizen and hardly any sort of threat to anyone.:smile: And I feel its all being blown out of proportion.:smile:The officer didnt really do anything wrong except overreact slightly by arresting the Professor.:smile:It was the right move to drop the charge:smile:


I agree.

cabot's photo
Fri 07/24/09 05:12 PM


Seeing an ID does not prove anything. It must be checked out. The Professor did not cooperate at any stage of the process, in fact, verbally assaulting the officers...there are lines you don't cross. I'm sure the police told him to calm down plenty of times before finally citing him. Now the Professor wants an apology. Paaleeze..he should thank the police for doing a good job..jmo Or was the fact that he is a good friend of the President, motivate his actions?


I think it's more about him being a prestigious college professor at a prestigious college. He's not used to being treated like that.



Sounds like Ted Kennedy back in the Chappaquiddick days to me.biggrin

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Fri 07/24/09 05:36 PM
Seriously, the Code of police officers is nothing like what it used to be. Too much at stake now. Careers, jobs, family's etc. Besides Police are soooo underpaid it is scary. silly goose.biggrin


Thank goodness for that! By 'code' you do mean the tendency for police to cover for each other, right? I think cellphone cameras and the internet have helped clean things up, too. But I also think it varies with the region.

cabot's photo
Fri 07/24/09 06:35 PM

Seriously, the Code of police officers is nothing like what it used to be. Too much at stake now. Careers, jobs, family's etc. Besides Police are soooo underpaid it is scary. silly goose.biggrin


Thank goodness for that! By 'code' you do mean the tendency for police to cover for each other, right? I think cellphone cameras and the internet have helped clean things up, too. But I also think it varies with the region.



Agreed, technology keeps the police honest. Both internal and external. And in some poor rural areas the police may get away with things that a Chicago, New York City cop may not. The microscope is on them most of the time. But small town cops have a lot more latitude. Whether in North Dakota or the Bayou.

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Fri 07/24/09 07:10 PM
This story is getting a life of it's own, anyone know the real story now? Probably not. Did I hear someone say cops don't cover for each other anymore? That's too funny.

I live in a rural town where more folks have lived her their whole live and they can tell you stories that will make you hair stand up about the cops here. And those cops are still here, so they do get away with alot more than in cities.


I think Obama didn't help by calling what the cops did stupid and he probably regrets giving people that don't like him that bit of red meat, but I sure would have liked to be fly on the wall when this went down, because by the time this story ends it won't be anywhere near what actually happened.

I actually like cops, but if they act like swell headed morons I am not surprised why people don't have anything nice to say about them.


Who ever said we should walk in their shoes, please consider that people walk in their shoes ever day of the year in areas that are violent and they don't get to wear a gun and badge and have the authority to arrest. They deal with things cops face as well but with out the protection of a vest or a gun or even back up.

Other cops are more secure in their personalities and take in to account that people can be upset at times and not always act accordingly. They don't throw their weight around like others do. Those are the cops I like, and have alot of respect for the way they deal with people in general.


Not having seem the interaction between these two I can't say who was at a fault or more at fault than the other.

cabot's photo
Fri 07/24/09 07:18 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html


Check out this site Boo...and we already discussed rural vs. urban with police. Rural cops are not watched like Urban cops. Not many cell phone cameras on a country road.

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Fri 07/24/09 07:20 PM
I've seen how those Kangaroo Courts work in the rural parts of Missouri.scared

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Fri 07/24/09 07:33 PM
Based only on what I have read, it would seem that the entire confrontation could have been avoided if the professor had showed his ID. The police were acting upon a neighbor's call that she saw some people breaking into a home. I would hope that if it were MY house, the police would ask for ID and not just take someone's word that they were the residents of the house! What if strangers HAD broken into the professor's home and told the police that they lived there and the police then left? I bet Obama would then say that their actions were stupid. Again, based on what I have read, the officers were acting by the book and Obama should not comment on local news, stick to the national news.

Obama should apologize to the officer and the police department for saying they acted stupidly without any clue about what happened. I notice that he didn't include the possibility that his friend could have done something less than stellar. There is ample evidence that the officer is not one to racially profile people or denigrate people because of their race. His boss (a black man) choose him to teach others how to avoid profiling people. The "victim" has made his living with an emphasis that white people are racist. The reports from those on the scene indicate that he was at best uncooperative and making racist claims. The house had previously been broken into.


If you read the report, it states that at no time did Gates show identification, although he was repeatedly asked for it. I challenge everyone to read it for themselves, and then attempt to claim that Gates was cooperating. --http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html-- All Gates had to do, is what EVERYONE is expected to do in this situation, SHOW HIS ID. If there is any accuracy in the report at all, he belligerently refused.

Now we're learning that the Honorable Professor uttered some disparaging remarks about the police officers mother. Where I come from, such comments can usually buy you an opportunity for dentures. It's not unusual for the public to scream for and demand that police officers be held to a higher standard of respect when going about their duties. Respect is a double edged sword and it swings both ways. An individual who is disruptive and argumentative during a confrontration wtih police is probably going to be dealt with in a manner fitting the display of temper. At this point at least were I officer Crowley I wouldn't offer an apology either. This isn't a case of black and/or white. It's a case of a home owner letting his alligator mouth overload his humming bird brain.

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Fri 07/24/09 07:39 PM
Well put Modela. Thanks for saying it more literate than I did.

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Fri 07/24/09 07:43 PM

Well put Modela. Thanks for saying it more literate than I did.

You are very welcome hun...

Winx's photo
Fri 07/24/09 07:52 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 07/24/09 07:53 PM
Modela said, "Obama should not comment on local news, stick to the national news."

He didn't just step up and make a comment. The press asked him about the situation during his Presidential speech. He also said that he didn't know the whole story but based on what he knows....




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Fri 07/24/09 08:03 PM

Modela said, "Obama should not comment on local news, stick to the national news."

He didn't just step up and make a comment. The press asked him about the situation during his Presidential speech. He also said that he didn't know the whole story but based on what he knows....






Then simple very simple even a 6th grader can answer this:
I am so sorry I cannot comment on the issue because i do not have the facts and let's leave it that way. Or he can say: I will get back to you guys when I have the facts.

But instead he open his mouth and disrespect the police enforcement at Cambridge andt the entire police force in the country by saying they are "stupid for arresting his friend" that is uncalled for my friend... sorry, he make a fool of himself by saying so without the facts at hand.

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Fri 07/24/09 08:09 PM

Based only on what I have read, it would seem that the entire confrontation could have been avoided if the professor had showed his ID. The police were acting upon a neighbor's call that she saw some people breaking into a home. I would hope that if it were MY house, the police would ask for ID and not just take someone's word that they were the residents of the house! What if strangers HAD broken into the professor's home and told the police that they lived there and the police then left? I bet Obama would then say that their actions were stupid. Again, based on what I have read, the officers were acting by the book and Obama should not comment on local news, stick to the national news.

Obama should apologize to the officer and the police department for saying they acted stupidly without any clue about what happened. I notice that he didn't include the possibility that his friend could have done something less than stellar. There is ample evidence that the officer is not one to racially profile people or denigrate people because of their race. His boss (a black man) choose him to teach others how to avoid profiling people. The "victim" has made his living with an emphasis that white people are racist. The reports from those on the scene indicate that he was at best uncooperative and making racist claims. The house had previously been broken into.


If you read the report, it states that at no time did Gates show identification, although he was repeatedly asked for it. I challenge everyone to read it for themselves, and then attempt to claim that Gates was cooperating. --http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html-- All Gates had to do, is what EVERYONE is expected to do in this situation, SHOW HIS ID. If there is any accuracy in the report at all, he belligerently refused.

Now we're learning that the Honorable Professor uttered some disparaging remarks about the police officers mother. Where I come from, such comments can usually buy you an opportunity for dentures. It's not unusual for the public to scream for and demand that police officers be held to a higher standard of respect when going about their duties. Respect is a double edged sword and it swings both ways. An individual who is disruptive and argumentative during a confrontration wtih police is probably going to be dealt with in a manner fitting the display of temper. At this point at least were I officer Crowley I wouldn't offer an apology either. This isn't a case of black and/or white. It's a case of a home owner letting his alligator mouth overload his humming bird brain.


While I think according to the report he did over react, (if the report is accurate) did say that initially he did 'not' show idenditfication but then 'did' show id, so I don't know where you got that he did not at any time show id, because he did according to the report. While I agree that we should show respect on both sides, reacting to violence with violence, as per your denture remark, doesn't show restraint or character either.

I would have respected the cop more if he had continued to walk away and allowed the professor to act like the child. They both had an audience, so it was unlikly that they old man would have done much more than yell, making himself look foolish. The cop really didn't need to make his day worse by arresting him, in my opinion. I think if the cop had walked away it would have put him in a much better light.

As for Obama, he was asked about the incident inappropriately, when his focus was on health care, so to me they just wanted something to make a stink about and unfortunately Obama walked right in to that one.