I feel, if one works, and lives in an humanitarian way...who spends
their lives serving their fellow man, and caring for their Earth, this
'gift' that we walk upon, then no matter how one arrives there, it
doesn't matter.

If through finding, a religion, through finding, Jesus, or Christianity,
or Sufism, or any form, structure, non-form, or non-structure, we are
all better off.

And if a person, through being 'saved', not just 'talks the talk', of
the gospels, and the bible, but 'walks the walk', in a gentle, and
humanitarian way, consistently, and without arrogance and ego, then more
power to them.

No matter how one arrives, at their religion, their philosophies, their
concepts, their whatevers, if they are 'doing thankyou' with their
fellow man...then the world is a better place.

I just want to say, that I love all of you guys on here!!! I mean I
really respect all of your views and beliefs, and I can promise that
I'll never look at anyone and say, "you're damned to hell" or anything
because in reality, I don't have permission to put anyone anywhere!!!
So all that said, be blessed and have great days everyone!

Invisible, I can't be positive what it was you were going for with this
post, however, the way it has transpired, in my view of it goes
something like this.

You ask - "Who determines when sombody is saved"

About the best answer I saw was - Jesus will, when the time comes.

Then came you question 'If you feel you are saved, does that give you
the right to interpret the Bible?' then of course came the natural
next question 'And if your interpretation varies, who has the right one'

The answer to these questions involved enlightenment that is given to a
person after they are saved. This gift comes from the Holy Spirit.

So NOW, we have:
1. God. God the alpha and omega, the creator, the father of all the
universe. God originally created a series of rules by which men,
through thought word and deed would be blessed by God with many good
fortunes in life. I'am not Jewish, so I do not know if this was enough
to get one into heaven or even if there is a Hell that the Jews can
expect if they are remiss in controlling their thoughts, words and
deeds. But in the beginning God thought this was good enough for the
imperfect being It had created.

2. Jesus - At some point there was prophecy that fortold of a messiah,
that would come and free the Jews, those chosen of God, from all
oppression. But as it turned out, the prophecy that had for many
generatins been interpreted one way, was suddenly seen as somthing
completely different. This is when the messiah, Jesus, suddenly became
God made man and instead of delivering the Jews from oppression, some
believed he was there to deliver man from sin, but of course, only if
they believed he was God and only if Jesus agrees that in the heart of
that man is pure belief.

3. Holy Spirit - The order in a time line is incorrect here, but you'll
see why in a minute. For the Jews, the Holy Spirit was to deliver the
will of God to man. This was done in order to fashion the 'rules'.
This was also done to inspire, through dreams of revelation, prophecy.
Apparently this could not come directly through God for whatever reason,
which gives the Holy Spirit a reason to exist, for only through the Holy
Spirit can one 'receive, interpret and understand' Gods will.

So to sum it all up. It used to be ok to believe in God, to worship
God, to pray directly to God and to serve God.

However, God could not or chose not to communicate directly with people,
but rather, through the Holy Spirit. Of course we are talking about God
and there is at least one occasion in which God chose to communicate
directly - with Moses, maybe with Noah. Perhaps these two did not have
a good link with the Holy Spirit??

Then Jesus came along, now it is NOT ok to see God as the ONLY one to
worship, to pray dircetly to or to serve God through thought, word and
deed. OH no, now, we must first believe in Jesus, who will decide if we
are worthy to receive the gift of a vist from the Holy Spirit. In this
way, we can then determine what God 'really' meant his will to be, BUT,
this interpretation is only meant for the individual and only if
inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Finally, once we have passed the 'born again' test and received the Holy
Spirit, we must now continue to pray 'in Jesus name'.


INVISIBLE - You have indeed posed a good question. I believe you point
to make.

Could it be, that those who 'choose' to belive in Jesus have a much
tougher route to take to heaven than one who believes that God, whatever
their perception of God, is the alpha and omega, the creator, the father
of all the universe. God originally created a series of rules by which
men, through thought word and deed would be blessed by God with many
good fortunes in life.

To divide God into three, indeed creates a very diverse entity, so
diverse that at times, one has to wonder, if we were made in Gods image,
perhaps we were all meant to have multiple personalities!!

Dont sweat it poeple, my previous post was a thought process in writing.
It was not meant as a slur. It was only meant to show how one person
thinks, when trying to make sense of a faith whose doctine offers a
labrynth of possiblilities.

There are those, here who talk of being directed by, being filled with,
even 'hearing', the Holy spirit. You all make it sound like you have
heard some mysterious voice in your head, like a ghostly call. If that
is so, you must be in the minority. UNLESS, you simply feel that by
proclaimin to have been 'saved' you suddenly feel compelled to believe
whatever you think, for surely those thoughts must come from that Holy
Ghost.

How many have you chased away because they have never heard some alien
voice in their head, giving them some knowledge, or path to take.
Something so completely distinguisable from their own thoughts, that it
could be considered 'other oriented'?

Red wrote:
“To divide God into three, indeed creates a very diverse entity, so
diverse that at times, one has to wonder, if we were made in Gods image,
perhaps we were all meant to have multiple personalities!!”

I’m sorry Red, I don’t mean to be laughing at your post, but these words
just made Dr. Pepper come out my nose.

well, being saved you are saved by jesus christ. He laid down his life
doing the atonement. Not for him but are own sins. We are saved by Jesus
Christ,baptism by the right authority, are works, and the desires of our
hearts.

The only one who can judge if were saved is Jesus Christ the son of god.
This all my beliefs. Anybody want to add to it?

I agree with that Michael. Only God and the person involved know if that
person is saved. It's not for the rest of us to judge. I believe we
can't truly know what is in someone else's heart.

God will judge me in my faith. Jesus (no offense intended to his
followers) is but a Prophet.

Abra, I love Dr. Pepper, how dare you waste it.

Sometimes my thoughts end up with a silly message. When I write, many
times I have no idea how the thought will appear.

I, even laughed at the last part, it just came down to that, ya know?

SUp my philosopher
Love for u all guys

Thank you all.
I think what bothered me mostly in a lot of posts is the phrase
" You have to" instead of using "I would" or "I did".
It makes it look like if I don't do I'm doomed.
I'm not, I do believe in God as a single entity, I do acknowledge that
Jesus is his son, but there is only one God to me.
I'm in Him as He is all around me
and He is in me as I carry Him in my heart.

hmm if jesus died on the cross for our sins, why do we still have to be
saved?

Saved isw not really a good word at least for christianity. You cannot
be saved its an on going thing. You need to continually endure to the
end live gods will. You arent just saved because you get baptized.

YOU RIGHT MICHAEL ab jESUS was not a prophet bt our savior and the son
of God a phophet is a human whom work for God like moses or john the
baptist Jesus is god

God in the flesh

but another typo

Wonderman I respect your right to believe the way you must. Please
respect my belief also.

I have no problem with you posting your belief as can any one of us.

When you post that beleif and direct it at me as though you are
correcting me I feel as though you have not shown me the same resepect I
have shown you.

The Glory of God is all I need. You may worship the son as you will.

Peace be with each of us in our choices and peace also between us by
those choices.

sorry i respect your right AB

Invisible, thank you. You've brought many things to light, here.