Topic: Is It Ever Okay To Lie?
Kantide's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:19 AM
Only if it protects them for a short period of time until you can make whatever is wrong right.

For example:
Said loved one loses something. Tell them you found it (when you didnt) and buy said loved one a new thing.

But in more serious situations... no.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:19 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sun 08/16/09 12:21 AM




:heart: Is it ever ok to lie to someone you claim to love?:heart:


I was just talking about that today while having lunch with... with... Madonnna. Yeahhh thats the ticket. I was having lunch with Madonna and discussing my... my... PhD in Quantum Physics. Yeahhhhh Quantum Physics, a degree I earned from... MIT yeahhh MIT

and then ummmmm... Gerge Clooney stopped by. Yeahhhh... George Clooney. Thats the ticket. And george said to me "Quietman I want you to star in my new movie. Yeahhhhh... I'm gonna be in George Clooney's new movie... yeahhhh thats the ticket

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:20 AM





:heart: Is it ever ok to lie to someone you claim to love?:heart:


Only if they start lying first.
laugh

artman48's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:22 AM

I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.

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Sun 08/16/09 12:26 AM




:heart: Is it ever ok to lie to someone you claim to love?:heart:


Draconians don't lie....pitchfork

Marie55's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:26 AM


I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:27 AM





:heart: Is it ever ok to lie to someone you claim to love?:heart:


Draconians don't lie....pitchfork

shocked How do you know??scared

artman48's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:31 AM



I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.

PacificStar48's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:31 AM
Tell the truth. It is easier to remember.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:33 AM




I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.
:thumbsup:

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Sun 08/16/09 12:39 AM






:heart: Is it ever ok to lie to someone you claim to love?:heart:


Draconians don't lie....pitchfork

shocked How do you know??scared

I know so... they would just eat you period... no lie and no ifs and buts...:laughing:

Marie55's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:40 AM




I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.


Congratulations on changing your life. Your kids are lucky that they got to know the sober you.

no photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:43 AM
only if the true Hurts!

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:43 AM







:heart: Is it ever ok to lie to someone you claim to love?:heart:


Draconians don't lie....pitchfork

shocked How do you know??scared

I know so... they would just eat you period... no lie and no ifs and buts...:laughing:


shocked Oh my gosh!!shockedThe only way you could know that is if you are one!!scared

artman48's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:43 AM





I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.


Congratulations on changing your life. Your kids are lucky that they got to know the sober you.

Thanks--and my kids don't drink---thats the blessing!

Marie55's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:45 AM






I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.


Congratulations on changing your life. Your kids are lucky that they got to know the sober you.

Thanks--and my kids don't drink---thats the blessing!


You are lucky there. My daughter tried to follow in her dad's footsteps for a few years, took quite awhile for her to get her head straightened out. Divorced him when she was 5 and he was never a father to her, so lots of issues there. She has 2 kids now and is doing great. But what a bumpy road to get there -- wow!!!

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:46 AM






I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.


Congratulations on changing your life. Your kids are lucky that they got to know the sober you.

Thanks--and my kids don't drink---thats the blessing!
:thumbsup:

no photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:52 AM
Yes it is ok to lie to someone you love. In fact, sometimes I think you should avoid the truth at all costs. bigsmile

Sometimes there are comforts in lies that cannot be found anywhere else. When my father was dying of cancer, he would routinely lie to my mother about how badly he was feeling to spare her the frustration and pain that the truth would have put her through.

Sometimes we need to lie about our feelings to bolster our partner. I remember going through a tough financial patch and telling my wife how it would be alright because I could feel it in my gut. A lie. But it made her feel a little bit better in a dark time. I feel no guilt in that.

I remember times when I was growing up that I did things I shouldn't have done. My father and I talked things out and I really learned my lessons from those talks. If my mother would ask what was going on, my father would tell her that he wasn't sure, but that she should give me the time and the space to work things out on my own. He wanted me to learn what I needed to know while protecting my privacy.

I think we should be careful about making blanket statements. ALWAYS telling the truth means that sometimes you will hurt the ones you love needlessly.

artman48's photo
Sun 08/16/09 12:56 AM







I don't believe in lying, and don't want to be lied to.

I was married to a pathological liar, and never want to go
that route again. noway grumble ohwell


I hid a few things from my X, and she from me. we were still married 38 years. Unfortunetly, she lied about the money she was spending and we went broke. Some lies we get by with, others kill us.


Sorry to hear that. I did some "white lies" myself, during ex's raging drunken episodes, heck, would have said or admitted to anything during those rages to keep from getting hit. I think most people do/have told some lies, but better to not lie as a rule. As in your case, it ended up costing you dearly. Mine, too, in the long run.


I did the drinking thing and everything that went with it--I was lucky and ended that problem in 1976 before my daughter was 3. My boy now 26 has never seen me take a drink. I lied allot in those days. I think i might know what you went through.


Congratulations on changing your life. Your kids are lucky that they got to know the sober you.

Thanks--and my kids don't drink---thats the blessing!


You are lucky there. My daughter tried to follow in her dad's footsteps for a few years, took quite awhile for her to get her head straightened out. Divorced him when she was 5 and he was never a father to her, so lots of issues there. She has 2 kids now and is doing great. But what a bumpy road to get there -- wow!!!

We had the bumpy roads thing like most But drugs and drink was never a problem. Sounds corny this day and age but they had other things they were interested in. When i was growing up. Home was a party. I carried that on right up to the point where i looked at my young daughter and decided that was it. Didn't want her to end up like i was at the time.

artman48's photo
Sun 08/16/09 01:00 AM

Yes it is ok to lie to someone you love. In fact, sometimes I think you should avoid the truth at all costs. bigsmile

Sometimes there are comforts in lies that cannot be found anywhere else. When my father was dying of cancer, he would routinely lie to my mother about how badly he was feeling to spare her the frustration and pain that the truth would have put her through.

Sometimes we need to lie about our feelings to bolster our partner. I remember going through a tough financial patch and telling my wife how it would be alright because I could feel it in my gut. A lie. But it made her feel a little bit better in a dark time. I feel no guilt in that.

I remember times when I was growing up that I did things I shouldn't have done. My father and I talked things out and I really learned my lessons from those talks. If my mother would ask what was going on, my father would tell her that he wasn't sure, but that she should give me the time and the space to work things out on my own. He wanted me to learn what I needed to know while protecting my privacy.

I think we should be careful about making blanket statements. ALWAYS telling the truth means that sometimes you will hurt the ones you love needlessly.

Sounds good to me i think I hid a few things about my kids actions from the wife because she was the kind to keep bringing it up! Not a lie i think, just protecting that thing between dads and kids.