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Topic: what do you believe?
Jon85213's photo
Wed 08/19/09 04:07 PM
While researching various religions I have come across something interesting that is hardly addressed. Fist most sites indicate what happens to a person who believes that particular religion. what I find that is not talked about is what happens to those who do not believe. So i pose this question to everyone. According to the religion you practice what happens to the person who has lived a good life and dies but does not believe your religion?

Ladylid2012's photo
Wed 08/19/09 04:09 PM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Wed 08/19/09 04:17 PM
Whatever they believe...... just my humble non religious opinion.


IchBinGebrochen's photo
Wed 08/19/09 04:15 PM
Excellent question. I wished i belonged to a religion so i could answer that. Dont get me wrong, i believe in god, but theirs 47 different versions of the bible all claiming to be the right one and who knows how many other religions and their versions of the bible. Spin the wheel with all the religions on it and let it decide which one is right.

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Wed 08/19/09 04:22 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Wed 08/19/09 04:23 PM
We believe unbelievers and who knows of the believers will be brought before the final judgement in Rev. 19. thier they will be judged by thier works and either have eternal life or be done away and the minds of all those who inherit eternal life thier minds will be wiped clean of all knowledge of them as if they never existed. But they do not spend eternity being tortued in hell. This is the 2nd death..Shalom...Miles

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Wed 08/19/09 04:30 PM

We believe unbelievers and who knows of the believers will be brought before the final judgement in Rev. 19. thier they will be judged by thier works and either have eternal life or be done away and the minds of all those who inherit eternal life thier minds will be wiped clean of all knowledge of them as if they never existed. But they do not spend eternity being tortued in hell. This is the 2nd death..Shalom...Miles
I kinda like that one, your good on earth, and youll be treated good after death. If your a hells angel, a murderer, rapeist, or an evil doer, you can live by that and not fear punnishment after death, just cease to be.

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Wed 08/19/09 04:35 PM

While researching various religions I have come across something interesting that is hardly addressed. Fist most sites indicate what happens to a person who believes that particular religion. what I find that is not talked about is what happens to those who do not believe. So i pose this question to everyone. According to the religion you practice what happens to the person who has lived a good life and dies but does not believe your religion?


I am not religious but I would wish them well......smokin

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Wed 08/19/09 04:42 PM

According to the religion you practice what happens to the person who has lived a good life and dies but does not believe your religion?


Well, in the deepest sense of truth I'm agnostic, which simply means that I don't know what happens after we die. It is my firm belief that no one truly knows, and therefore it is my stance that everyone is truly agnostic in the deepest sense of truth.

However, when you ask about "religion", I do consider religious archetypes, in fact, I even favor a particular view of spirituality. It would require a very lengthy post to explain my spiritual views, so let me just say that ultimately in my spiritual view of reality it matters not what a person believes. We all return to the same state of being when our bodies die.

Having said that I also believe that precisely what we are able to do when we return to that state of being will depend upon how we have acted in this life. In other words, in my view of spirituality karma is the mechanism of 'justice' if you want to call it that.

Although karma is constantly changing and never eternal so it's not a matter of our actions in this life determining our future fate for all of eternity. After we return to our true spiritual form, we will choose to become incarnated into yet another life. So the process is endless and our karma can fluctuate. We can go from having 'good' karma to having 'bad' karma and back again. It's just an eternal game of life.

What I find quite interesting is that many Christians often hear me say this and their first response is something like, "How hopeless or meaningless is that?" But what is their alternative? They believe that they go to spend eternity serving some God who demands that they behave according to his rules. How is that any better? What could that God offer a person other than to offer them yet another chance at experiencing life as a free soul again. But that would then be nothing more than what reincarnation already embraces. What else could their be? So their picture truly isn't much different.

I have personally concluded that the idea of eternal damnation makes utterly no sense at all. What would be the point in damning a soul to eternal damnation? A human lifetime is but a blink of an eye in the history of the universe, yet eternal damnation never ends. And what purpose would it serve? If it doesn't please God, and the poor damned soul is never going to be given another chance for repentance, then what would the purpose be? It would be eternal damnation that serves no purpose.

Moreover, if the idea is that perfectly decent people would be cast into this pit of eternal damnation for simply not believing in a particular (very male-chauvinistic) view of a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices, then such a God could hardly be called, compassionate, merciful, all-wise, or any other such attribute.

The idea of jealous godheads who cast people into hell fires for not believing in them is truly absurd. Such a godhead would be far from righteous, wise, or compassionate. Such a godhead would himself be the greatest demon who ever existed.

So no, I don't believe in religions that claim that people will be cast into hell fires for not worshiping a particular deity. To me, any such religions must necessarily be the made-up lies of hateful men, for no truly wise and compassionate deity could ever be that ignorant and hateful.

Just my thoughts.


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Wed 08/19/09 04:45 PM
I couldnt read everything abracadabra typed as my eyes go blurry after two paragraphs (Beleve they call that vertigo), but the last line or two i agree with.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 08/19/09 05:05 PM

I couldnt read everything abracadabra typed as my eyes go blurry after two paragraphs (Beleve they call that vertigo), but the last line or two i agree with.


The conclusion is all that matters. bigsmile drinker

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Wed 08/19/09 05:07 PM
Lets see, they go play in the Elysium Fields, Summerlands, etc, whatever you want to call it.

Course, I believe we really just morph back into atoms and are "reborn" as something else. Doesn't make a big deal whether good or bad...


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Wed 08/19/09 08:16 PM
I don't follow any particular religion, but my personal beliefs are that we all progress through different incarnations until we reach some kind of enlightenment and perfection. At that time, I don't really know what happens, but I think we are done with reincarnation. At least as it pertains to coming back here. JMO.

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Wed 08/19/09 08:28 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Wed 08/19/09 08:29 PM
I believe Jesus was the son of God sent here to be sacrificed for all mankind and that entry into heaven cannot be acheived by works but by the grace of god

and I believe that Mohammed was the prophet of Allah and the restorer of the uncorrupted faith of Adam and Abraham. Allhu Akbar

and I believe that Sidhartha discovered the Middle Way and the Four Nobel Truths and has the Nine Characteristics of a Buddha

and I believe that Vishnu is the essence of all beings, the master of the past, present and future, the creator and destroyer of all existences

And I believe in the Kachina

and the Dream Time



God is like the sun. If you look at it directly you'll be blinded. But you can see a reflection of the sun in any old mud puddle. Religion is like a mud puddle


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Wed 08/19/09 08:33 PM




God is like the sun. If you look at it directly you'll be blinded. But you can see a reflection of the sun in any old mud puddle. Religion is like a mud puddle




I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:


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Wed 08/19/09 09:52 PM

While researching various religions I have come across something interesting that is hardly addressed. Fist most sites indicate what happens to a person who believes that particular religion. what I find that is not talked about is what happens to those who do not believe. So i pose this question to everyone. According to the religion you practice what happens to the person who has lived a good life and dies but does not believe your religion?


I have no religion. I don't believe anything happens to anybody when they die. However, I've been wrong before...

On the other hand, I've been told by a good catholic once that since I am utterly incapable of having "faith", I'll get a free pass into Heaven "because God wouldn't make someone just to send them to Hell"...or words to that effect...

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Wed 08/19/09 09:54 PM
If you have not accepted Christ as your Savior you are domed. Sin is there everywhere you turn and as a human you can not avoid it.

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Wed 08/19/09 09:55 PM

If you have not accepted Christ as your Savior you are domed. Sin is there everywhere you turn and as a human you can not avoid it.


domed?

like the golden one on the rock?

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Wed 08/19/09 09:57 PM

I believe Jesus was the son of God sent here to be sacrificed for all mankind and that entry into heaven cannot be acheived by works but by the grace of god

and I believe that Mohammed was the prophet of Allah and the restorer of the uncorrupted faith of Adam and Abraham. Allhu Akbar

and I believe that Sidhartha discovered the Middle Way and the Four Nobel Truths and has the Nine Characteristics of a Buddha

and I believe that Vishnu is the essence of all beings, the master of the past, present and future, the creator and destroyer of all existences

And I believe in the Kachina

and the Dream Time



God is like the sun. If you look at it directly you'll be blinded. But you can see a reflection of the sun in any old mud puddle. Religion is like a mud puddle




Well said. drinker

I don't believe in any of it. But well said, nonetheless.
I can respect that.

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Wed 08/19/09 10:00 PM

If you have not accepted Christ as your Savior you are domed. Sin is there everywhere you turn and as a human you can not avoid it.


Well domed I shall be then. laugh

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Wed 08/19/09 10:04 PM
Quietman, perhaps you'd like this bumpersticker:
"God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts"

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Wed 08/19/09 10:09 PM


If you have not accepted Christ as your Savior you are domed. Sin is there everywhere you turn and as a human you can not avoid it.


domed?

like the golden one on the rock?
like fire and brimstone and the knashing of teeth domed

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