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if Jesus is god then wouldn't this mean that the baby Jesus was also God and would therefore be omnipotent omniscience and omni-whatever..also wouldn't claiming that a human Jesus was god is actually a way to degrade god and lessen the power of the god and be in direct conflict with what is written in the bible and therefore equate to false idol worshipping
so what are some of the contradictions and/or obvious reasons why Jesus and/or the baby Jesus could not be god |
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if Jesus is god then wouldn't this mean that the baby Jesus was also God and would therefore be omnipotent omniscience and omni-whatever..also wouldn't claiming that a human Jesus was god is actually a way to degrade god and lessen the power of the god and be in direct conflict with what is written in the bible and therefore equate to false idol worshipping so what are some of the contradictions and/or obvious reasons why Jesus and/or the baby Jesus could not be god When it comes to God many things arent OBVIOUS because our logic is based in human experience and emotion and God is not limited to those boundaries. As far as Jesus being God, I believe he was the son of God and therefore, in a generic since, God as well. Much like my brothers are often cited as being just like our dad. It isnt so much the physicality of being the exact same thing, it is the idea of having the same basic foundational make up. |
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When it comes to God many things arent OBVIOUS because our logic is based in human experience and emotion and God is not limited to those boundaries. since a omnipotent god supposedly "wants or needs" for naught then one thing does become obvious..that there would be no need to create humans unless he himself was limited to the same human bounderies pertaining to emotions ...the "need" for him to create makes that obvious |
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As far as Jesus being God, I believe he was the son of God and therefore, in a generic since, God as well. Much like my brothers are often cited as being just like our dad. It isnt so much the physicality of being the exact same thing, it is the idea of having the same basic foundational make up. so do your brothers claim to be that which impregnated their mother to spawn themselves |
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you mean he wasn't?
doesn't the story tell of Him lecturing the priests on scripture in the Temple when he was a toddler? |
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and that was the big controversy at the Council of Nicea. Whether Jesus was a literal manifestation of God or the Son of God.
The purpose of the council was to resolve disagreements arising from within the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in relationship to the Father; in particular, whether Jesus was the literal son of God or was he a figurative son, like the other "sons of God" in the Bible. St. Alexander of Alexandria and Athanasius took the first position; the popular presbyter Arius, from whom the term Arian controversy comes, took the second. The council decided against the Arians overwhelmingly (of the estimated 250–318 attendees, all but two voted against Arius[6]). -Wiki |
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you mean he wasn't? doesn't the story tell of Him lecturing the priests on scripture in the Temple when he was a toddler? but could the baby jesus quote scriptures to the preist when he first popped out of the womb ..if the baby jesus as god is omniscient clearly even as a newborn he would know how to talk on the same level as an adult |
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maybe he could?
the Bible (if just considered as a historical document) doesnt say |
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I do seem to recall a story of him as a toddler bringing a sparrow back to life
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maybe he could? the Bible (if just considered as a historical document) doesnt say that a newborn baby could walk and talk just like an adult would have been considered to be one of the greatest miracles ever and at least deserves an honorable mention in the historical documents |
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule?
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/17/09 09:22 AM
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule? to ridicule I imagine he (and some others) always do so I dont take it entirely serious and just poke fun at it wasn't there a story about a young Jesus touching a boy and killing him for some sort of bullying? Jesus might have been born omniscient and omnipotent but physically he was prolly still just a infant without developed emotional skills or maturity. and I imagine was still subject to raging hormones as kids are and there isn't much historical record of his infancy because they were hiding in Gallilee from Herod and specifically avoided any recognition |
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule? the purpose of the thread is to debate the topic |
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if Jesus is god then wouldn't this mean that the baby Jesus was also God and would therefore be omnipotent omniscience and omni-whatever..also wouldn't claiming that a human Jesus was god is actually a way to degrade god and lessen the power of the god and be in direct conflict with what is written in the bible and therefore equate to false idol worshipping so what are some of the contradictions and/or obvious reasons why Jesus and/or the baby Jesus could not be god Yahshua was called the son of man and thats what he was. He left the heavenly abode and became a human just like any of us. He felt smelled ate and drank like us.. He had temptation it is said that all men have had and overcame them. If Yahshua was Elohim on earth then he is not the Messiah as he came as an example and that means with the same attributes as us and capabilities. He is our example. He had to be sinless to be the sacraficial lamb for us to free us from the Curse of the law. Death. His death brought on many things besides taking on the sins of the world. He showed us what true love is and what a true friend is. He did what no one else could do and that was the keeping of the law perfectly to show us our own sins and how finger pointing needs to stop. Worry about yourself and how u can help others instead of the curse when you broke the law as everyone has before and since. This does not do away with the law of Yahweh it Amplifies it for now we have no sacrafice for sin but the fruit of our lips.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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if Jesus is god then wouldn't this mean that the baby Jesus was also God and would therefore be omnipotent omniscience and omni-whatever..also wouldn't claiming that a human Jesus was god is actually a way to degrade god and lessen the power of the god and be in direct conflict with what is written in the bible and therefore equate to false idol worshipping so what are some of the contradictions and/or obvious reasons why Jesus and/or the baby Jesus could not be god Yahshua was called the son of man and thats what he was. He left the heavenly abode and became a human just like any of us. He felt smelled ate and drank like us.. He had temptation it is said that all men have had and overcame them. If Yahshua was Elohim on earth then he is not the Messiah as he came as an example and that means with the same attributes as us and capabilities. He is our example. He had to be sinless to be the sacraficial lamb for us to free us from the Curse of the law. Death. His death brought on many things besides taking on the sins of the world. He showed us what true love is and what a true friend is. He did what no one else could do and that was the keeping of the law perfectly to show us our own sins and how finger pointing needs to stop. Worry about yourself and how u can help others instead of the curse when you broke the law as everyone has before and since. This does not do away with the law of Yahweh it Amplifies it for now we have no sacrafice for sin but the fruit of our lips.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles that sounds good and all but doesn't really address the question the baby Jesus being a manifestation of GOD was omnipotent? I say prolly but constrained to grow and develop as a true human would to teach him the human condition |
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule? to ridicule I imagine he (and some others) always do so I dont take it entirely serious and just poke fun at it so when a logical question is asked it's purpose therefore is to ridicule when even the bible itself provides proof that Jesus isn't God ..some would say that claiming Jesus is God is ridiculing God |
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule? to ridicule I imagine he (and some others) always do so I dont take it entirely serious and just poke fun at it so when a logical question is asked it's purpose therefore is to ridicule when even the bible itself provides proof that Jesus isn't God ..some would say that claiming Jesus is God is ridiculing God some would say google the "Arian Controversy" |
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Jesus might have been born omniscient and omnipotent but physically he was prolly still just a infant without developed emotional skills or maturity. and I imagine was still subject to raging hormones as kids are why would an omniscient baby god being "all knowing" lack the knowledge of maturity |
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the triumvirate of God, the Father, and the Holy Ghost was accepted as doctrine three hundred years after Jesus death
is it right? wrong? who knows for as many arguments for it or against it as there are, you'll find a congregation for it |
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Jesus might have been born omniscient and omnipotent but physically he was prolly still just a infant without developed emotional skills or maturity. and I imagine was still subject to raging hormones as kids are why would an omniscient baby god being "all knowing" lack the knowledge of maturity intentionally? because GOD wanted it that way? |
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