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IF we accept that it was all planned out and developed the way GOD intended then Jesus lived and grew up according to GOD's plan and it was all preordained to unfold the way it did
even Judas was innocent because he had his role to play in GOD's plan if you believe in all that at least |
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Yahshua was called the son of man and thats what he was. He left the heavenly abode and became a human just like any of us. Blessings of Shalom...Miles any Man could make the claim of being the son of Man but why was Yahshua claim any different |
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Hmmm. I always though that man was created in his image. Which would mean we all look the same, and might even be equal. The new Dan Brown book is my recommended read for you, funches. I also thought that the idea that Jesus was the son of God was sort of ridiculous.... aren't all animals created by God, making all living things his? And humans created in his image would make us ALL his children.
The Lost Symbol. That's the book. |
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule? to ridicule I imagine he (and some others) always do so I dont take it entirely serious and just poke fun at it so when a logical question is asked it's purpose therefore is to ridicule when even the bible itself provides proof that Jesus isn't God ..some would say that claiming Jesus is God is ridiculing God some would say google the "Arian Controversy" wouldn't the best answer for or against be somewhere in the bible |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/17/09 09:53 AM
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Yahshua was called the son of man and thats what he was. He left the heavenly abode and became a human just like any of us. Blessings of Shalom...Miles any Man could make the claim of being the son of Man but why was Yahshua claim any different at the time in Jerusalem there were a LOT of men claiming to be the Messiah and the Son of Man and tried to lead the Jews in rebellion against Rome. Especially among the Zealots even in the Jewish ghettos in Poland in the 1940's there were several men who claimed to be the Messiah and had followings all of em but one eventually were shown to be false lots have tried to prove Jesus false but no one seems to have succeeded |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/17/09 09:53 AM
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Serious question to OP. Is the purpose of this thread to learn, to teach, or to ridicule? to ridicule I imagine he (and some others) always do so I dont take it entirely serious and just poke fun at it so when a logical question is asked it's purpose therefore is to ridicule when even the bible itself provides proof that Jesus isn't God ..some would say that claiming Jesus is God is ridiculing God some would say google the "Arian Controversy" wouldn't the best answer for or against be somewhere in the bible hahahaha EVERY answer for and against anything is in the Bible. Many people can quote scripture to support any idea they choose |
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lilith401
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Tue 11/17/09 09:53 AM
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wouldn't the best answer for or against be somewhere in the bible Well, what is in the bible was decided by a bunch of european guys several hundred years ago. So, I'd say NO. |
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the triumvirate of God, the Father, and the Holy Ghost was accepted as doctrine three hundred years after Jesus death is it right? wrong? who knows for as many arguments for it or against it as there are, you'll find a congregation for it The Trinity seems to be more against the glory of god instead of for the glory of god because it lessens the power of the god |
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wouldn't the best answer for or against be somewhere in the bible Well, what is in the bible was decided by a bunch of european guys several hundred years ago. So, I'd say NO. well they were Romans mostly and some Byzantines and they (about 300 of em) got together and decided what books to include in the "Bible" why did they include Ruth? a story that really doesn't have much to do with worshipping GOD why didn't they include the Gospel of Thomas? or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene? politics is my belief the Church has always been more about consolidating power than bringing people to GOD GOD to me had little to do with churches. GOD is on the mountaintop and in the clouds and the mathematical precision of music |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/17/09 10:01 AM
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the triumvirate of God, the Father, and the Holy Ghost was accepted as doctrine three hundred years after Jesus death is it right? wrong? who knows for as many arguments for it or against it as there are, you'll find a congregation for it The Trinity seems to be more against the glory of god instead of for the glory of god because it lessens the power of the god maybe so that would be the heart of the argument of the Arian Controversy and I read an account where the Roman Bishops arrived in Ireland for the first time in 400 or 500 AD or so, and preached of the Holy Trinity and the native Irish all said "oh we already know about that" |
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Robin: It's always been my belief that the church was supposed to be about community, society and being good to one another. That the belief in and love for God and finding ways to live our daily lives in peace, harmony and respect for others was the whole purpose. To give life meaning and reason.
But, sadly... there are those who want to be RIGHT. The seem to think that these little petty issues are worth arguing about and causing further fracture within the church. I say, if you love God, it's not about being right. Or whose argument holds more merit, or what the bible says. Forgiveness comes more easily from those who aren't religious, it seems to me. It's been my experience that the more religious a person is, the more judgmental and cruel they tend to be in practice of their ilfe and towards others. And that scares me. |
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if Jesus is god then wouldn't this mean that the baby Jesus was also God and would therefore be omnipotent omniscience and omni-whatever..also wouldn't claiming that a human Jesus was god is actually a way to degrade god and lessen the power of the god and be in direct conflict with what is written in the bible and therefore equate to false idol worshipping so what are some of the contradictions and/or obvious reasons why Jesus and/or the baby Jesus could not be god Yahshua was called the son of man and thats what he was. He left the heavenly abode and became a human just like any of us. He felt smelled ate and drank like us.. He had temptation it is said that all men have had and overcame them. If Yahshua was Elohim on earth then he is not the Messiah as he came as an example and that means with the same attributes as us and capabilities. He is our example. He had to be sinless to be the sacraficial lamb for us to free us from the Curse of the law. Death. His death brought on many things besides taking on the sins of the world. He showed us what true love is and what a true friend is. He did what no one else could do and that was the keeping of the law perfectly to show us our own sins and how finger pointing needs to stop. Worry about yourself and how u can help others instead of the curse when you broke the law as everyone has before and since. This does not do away with the law of Yahweh it Amplifies it for now we have no sacrafice for sin but the fruit of our lips.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles that sounds good and all but doesn't really address the question the baby Jesus being a manifestation of GOD was omnipotent? I say prolly but constrained to grow and develop as a true human would to teach him the human condition He was in the likeness of Yahweh the Father but was not him. He even said many times he does nothing that his father does not instruct him to, He was Human not omnipotent Blessings...Miles |
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I also thought that the idea that Jesus was the son of God was sort of ridiculous.... aren't all animals created by God, making all living things his? And humans created in his image would make us ALL his children. The Lost Symbol. That's the book. supposedly for the conception of Jesus god took the time to get mary pregnant using his holy spirit |
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And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
(of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally begotten child" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Begotten means human. Created by SEX. |
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lots have tried to prove Jesus false but no one seems to have succeeded Jesus may have existed the controversy is if he existed as God |
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and the Church is people not a building or a organisation
Jesus said "whenever two or more people gather to worship in my name. That is a church" |
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lots have tried to prove Jesus false but no one seems to have succeeded Jesus may have existed the controversy is if he existed as God it's a 2000 year old argument that hasn't been settled by people a LOT more learned than us |
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Robin: It's always been my belief that the church was supposed to be about community, society and being good to one another. That the belief in and love for God and finding ways to live our daily lives in peace, harmony and respect for others was the whole purpose. To give life meaning and reason. But, sadly... there are those who want to be RIGHT. The seem to think that these little petty issues are worth arguing about and causing further fracture within the church. I say, if you love God, it's not about being right. Or whose argument holds more merit, or what the bible says. Forgiveness comes more easily from those who aren't religious, it seems to me. It's been my experience that the more religious a person is, the more judgmental and cruel they tend to be in practice of their ilfe and towards others. And that scares me. |
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hahahaha EVERY answer for and against anything is in the Bible. Many people can quote scripture to support any idea they choose they could...that's why I point out obvious ones that they can't quote scripture from ...like the newborn baby jesus being able to talk or walk |
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wouldn't the best answer for or against be somewhere in the bible Well, what is in the bible was decided by a bunch of european guys several hundred years ago. So, I'd say NO. the only way to do the religion justice is to debate it as if everything written in it is true as it is written then only then can the contradictions be pointed out |
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