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That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few.
I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China". Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US? Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession? If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something. If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country? |
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actually I think its become symbiotic
we both need each other and THAT reduces the possibility of war |
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Great idealogy actually. I hope it is true.
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Yes, it does bother me, very much so and has for many years...back to when I was old enough to understand what was happening in Tibet...
It is made difficult when Fuji film is 3 bucks less than Kodak. You know how handle such situations.. 
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/17/09 11:00 PM
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saw a really good thing on the business channel a while back. They were examining the intention and planned shift of our society from a manufacturing society and transferring that to the chinese
and we theoretically shifted to a intellectual property society. we design stuff and license it to the Chinese but they havent kept their end of the process and honored out intellectual property. patents copyrights and are pirating that stuff and that is part of our economic problem and massive trade deficit (which their economy depends on. we quit buying and they go broke) so only fair that they buy the Federal Bonds to loan us money to get back on our feet now a days China (in their latest 11 year plan) is all about commercialism and making money and war is bad for business |
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One thing China is worried about is the value of the dollar. I see it every week on Asian news how they don't like the idea of the falling value of the dollar. They want to make a profit with those treasure bonds in the end.
The question is can the US compete with the Euro Dollar. Can they remain innovative, creative, and inventive to keep the world interested in their commodities and marketing strategies? This is something we will observe that is for sure.
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I think we are worried about it too
we're not out of the woods yet |
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It doesn't bother me at all, what really bothers me is that we allowed it to happen so easily by greed. Corporations found that investing and taking their companies overseas made them able to mass market things without paying their employees outrageous salaries.
If China was to call in our debt, we'd be in big trouble, but then again we'd just start a war with them and tell them to K.O.A's. So no big deal, except the average joe will still be struggling to find a job to keep his head above water......Jobs are few and far between and getting scarcer by the moment, take away all the minimum wage jobs and the unemployment rate has to be around 60%...wow |
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We have had a global economy for a while.... regardless if people acknowledge it or not. However, it is concerning for money to be centered in one spot. Because if one place falls then the other does.
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That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few. I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China". Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US? Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession? If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something. If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country? I do find it a bit disturbing... But taxes has driven business out of this country for a while it would seem. It honestly seems that governments are pushing hard for a global economy....Or a single global government by that matter. This can be both good and bad depending on the circumstances. Unfortunately when you centralize something, you tend to remove efficiency, creating more work for the same outcome. This would be the downfall. What disturbes me more, is the fact that the U.S. does not have any stability in it's economy in the first place. This makes us vulnerable and dependent on foreign aid. It is a mathematic certainty, that continuing as we have been for the last hundred years, will, for a fact, lead to a total economic collapse. Perhaps this was the intention of those that designed the system? Interdependence = more power if you happen to know the right people... |
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I find this interesting.
You do realize that Japan and the European Union import more products from China than the US, correct? I think if we decided one day to stop importing from China we could survive without their crappy knock off goods. Now I have a question for you. How do you feel about your countries dependence on Russia for 44% of its natural gas? Not much you can do about that If they decide to turn off the spigot, is there? I am sure the Russians would never exploit that, would they? We all know the great relationship Germany and Russia have developed over the last 100 years. Disturbing indeed... |
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Edited by
smiless
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Wed 11/18/09 11:34 AM
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I find this interesting. You do realize that Japan and the European Union import more products from China than the US, correct? I think if we decided one day to stop importing from China we could survive without their crappy knock off goods. Now I have a question for you. How do you feel about your countries dependence on Russia for 44% of its natural gas? Not much you can do about that If they decide to turn off the spigot, is there? I am sure the Russians would never exploit that, would they? We all know the great relationship Germany and Russia have developed over the last 100 years. Disturbing indeed... In the end every country will be dependent on another country. What is important is that the dialogue for peace and prosperity should continue throughout the world. Germany loaned alot of money to the United States to help with its recession as of other things. You would be surprised how big that debt is. Of course it is nothing compared to what China or Japan lended, yet nevertheless it has been done. Who would think that would ever happen right, yet it did? Overall, I think a country that is no bigger then perhaps California is doing quiet well for itself. It was one of the first countries to get out of recession quickly. Russia is also dependent on Germany on a great deal of products. Afterall, Germany is one of the biggest exporters in the world. And that is impressive from a country that is very small. My question about being disturbed about China making everything for the US, is not to criticize Americans, but to make aware that perhaps something isn't right. Many Americans agree with it, and want to do something about it. My interest is to see alternatives of what can be done to ensure prosperity for your country. And as a note, I don't find it disturbing to have good relations with Russia. Perhaps you are still set in the Cold War Era. |
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It does not bother me because I can get it cheaper and also the world trade is very related in this millenium .
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That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few. I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China". Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US? Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession? If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something. If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country? China used to be famous for cheap mass produced junk but they can build just about anything now for 1/4 of the price it would cost you here and they will do a good job building it.I have been a mechanic for a long time now and it is absurd what some of these American companies charge for things like steel,electric motors,and other parts.Today I was talking to my boss and we needed a large electric motor for a heavy piece of machinery.$40,000 for a electric motor!We can get the same thing in China for $300.00. I would rather buy American but I work too hard to pay 10 times what I would pay for the same thing made in China.As long as Americans demand huge profits and expensive prices they will suffer in the long run.It doesn't bother me that we buy things from China as we can buy a quality product for next to nothing and make a good profit from it.It is a win win situation for both countries.If China banned us from buying their products this country would probably drop like a rock and die.Likewise if we stopped buying from China they would go under and die.So we both need each other and so far it has been working very well.Most people don't realize that we make twice as much as China does. The next 20 years?I don't see any difference's in the way we conduct our business with China. |
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That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few. I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China". Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US? Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession? If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something. If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country? Just wondering where all the made in USA products are? We don't make "Thing's" any more. We create government jobs very well though--Hummmmm maybe we can tax the Chinese and creat some more jobs. I think we ran out of money a while back--- China used to be famous for cheap mass produced junk but they can build just about anything now for 1/4 of the price it would cost you here and they will do a good job building it.I have been a mechanic for a long time now and it is absurd what some of these American companies charge for things like steel,electric motors,and other parts.Today I was talking to my boss and we needed a large electric motor for a heavy piece of machinery.$40,000 for a electric motor!We can get the same thing in China for $300.00. I would rather buy American but I work too hard to pay 10 times what I would pay for the same thing made in China.As long as Americans demand huge profits and expensive prices they will suffer in the long run.It doesn't bother me that we buy things from China as we can buy a quality product for next to nothing and make a good profit from it.It is a win win situation for both countries.If China banned us from buying their products this country would probably drop like a rock and die.Likewise if we stopped buying from China they would go under and die.So we both need each other and so far it has been working very well.Most people don't realize that we make twice as much as China does. The next 20 years?I don't see any difference's in the way we conduct our business with China. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Wed 11/18/09 08:11 PM
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I find this interesting. You do realize that Japan and the European Union import more products from China than the US, correct? I think if we decided one day to stop importing from China we could survive without their crappy knock off goods. Now I have a question for you. How do you feel about your countries dependence on Russia for 44% of its natural gas? Not much you can do about that If they decide to turn off the spigot, is there? I am sure the Russians would never exploit that, would they? We all know the great relationship Germany and Russia have developed over the last 100 years. Disturbing indeed... That's why it's time for independent non-fossil fuel source of energy. (hint: Above our head, shiny and warm) Europe also is leading on alternative energy research. So is Japan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMnB6V5yG1I |
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Edited by
heavenlyboy34
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Wed 11/18/09 08:22 PM
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That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few. I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China". Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US? Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession? If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something. If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country? I'm only bothered in the sense that the situation came about due to bad economic and foreign policy. If I had the power to do something, I would 1) return to sound money 2) decentralize the government. 3) repeal all unconstitutional regulations, laws, and organizations. 4) fully privatize the means of production and distribution 5) allow competing currencies 6) end the Federal Reserve system This would take some time to realize, but it is a sustainable model that makes growth possible and practical. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Wed 11/18/09 08:42 PM
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Since all the manufacturing jobs are outsourced, the technology should have been saved, but instead, that's outsourced too to India, Indonesia and even Europe (Ireland, England etc). Dublin (Ireland) is living off and making profit from information technology jobs, although they are always filled, due the high volume of people in the field.
There are plenty of lands in USA so agricultural work should not be outsourced, otherwise this country will be screwed. think about it. After the GM crash..and no bailout, there is really not much left here in the USA, other than administrative work. The housing crashed, so there goes all the construction work and everything connected to it. These jobs are not coming back. Anyone who thinks that there will be jobs like back in the day 3-4-5 years ago is seriously mistaken. US will be getting all the stuff from China, Fossil fuels from the Middle East, technology from India. Now, if they cut loose and start importing all the food...then it's really time to pack up and leave, because then there is really nothing left. The reason why more women are employed today then men, has to do that administrative work and whatever comes with it (customer service, cleaning, secretarial etc..) is still around. What I can't believe is that nobody seem to care or do anything about it, while the entire country is going to crash and burn. |
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Get out while you can...
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That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few. I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China". Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US? Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession? If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something. If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country? I'm only bothered in the sense that the situation came about due to bad economic and foreign policy. If I had the power to do something, I would 1) return to sound money 2) decentralize the government. 3) repeal all unconstitutional regulations, laws, and organizations. 4) fully privatize the means of production and distribution 5) allow competing currencies 6) end the Federal Reserve system This would take some time to realize, but it is a sustainable model that makes growth possible and practical. These are really good ideas. Has any presidential elect ever come close to such ideas that you have presented? |
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