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as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not.
Well..here's a thought... Obama's ratings have been falling in every demographic except for one. Only one demographic actually saw his approval rating rise. Guess which demographic it was. You got it....African Americans. His rating for that group went up 2% while he was down at least 10% in every other demographic. I am not saying that this is caused by racism....but, as far as the African Americans polled...might it not be a case of " color blindness " in that, no matter what he does, he can do no wrong because he's an African American man?? it could be or it could be a case of a demographic which is used to substantial change taking substantial time, ,, ....or..... It could be a case of ( if you had seen any coverage of what happened recently in Detroit ) African Americans ( not all, but many of them ) thinking that all the stimulus stuff is great because white people are finally being forced to give them money. Those people didn't give a rat's rear end where the money was coming from. Only that Obama ( so they thought ) was handing it out for nothing. Plenty of could be's that could be listed on either side,, no pun intended. question though, are you repeating what someone said when you state some think stimulus is great because 'white people' are being forced to give them money? IF so,, that person is ignorant about who pays taxes, and who was given the stimulus( it wasnt just whites giving and not just blacks receiving). And many keep willfully ignoring that those who receive aid on an individual basis from tax funds have or will pay plenty of their own money into those funds in their lifetime...so its not so simple as some giving and others JUST taking. WE all have to give during our lifetime. That comment was a direct answer that I got when I was talking to an African American truck driver a few weeks ago. Keep in mind...I wasn't saying anything about the comment being right or wrong. I was just speaking about a mindset I have experienced. I would be willing to bet that he isn't the only one that sees things that way. Hell...I got 600 bucks from the " stimulus "...so I know that it didn't just go to one group or another. |
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as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not.
Well..here's a thought... Obama's ratings have been falling in every demographic except for one. Only one demographic actually saw his approval rating rise. Guess which demographic it was. You got it....African Americans. His rating for that group went up 2% while he was down at least 10% in every other demographic. I am not saying that this is caused by racism....but, as far as the African Americans polled...might it not be a case of " color blindness " in that, no matter what he does, he can do no wrong because he's an African American man?? it could be or it could be a case of a demographic which is used to substantial change taking substantial time, ,, ....or..... It could be a case of ( if you had seen any coverage of what happened recently in Detroit ) African Americans ( not all, but many of them ) thinking that all the stimulus stuff is great because white people are finally being forced to give them money. Those people didn't give a rat's rear end where the money was coming from. Only that Obama ( so they thought ) was handing it out for nothing. Plenty of could be's that could be listed on either side,, no pun intended. question though, are you repeating what someone said when you state some think stimulus is great because 'white people' are being forced to give them money? IF so,, that person is ignorant about who pays taxes, and who was given the stimulus( it wasnt just whites giving and not just blacks receiving). And many keep willfully ignoring that those who receive aid on an individual basis from tax funds have or will pay plenty of their own money into those funds in their lifetime...so its not so simple as some giving and others JUST taking. WE all have to give during our lifetime. That comment was a direct answer that I got when I was talking to an African American truck driver a few weeks ago. Keep in mind...I wasn't saying anything about the comment being right or wrong. I was just speaking about a mindset I have experienced. I would be willing to bet that he isn't the only one that sees things that way. Hell...I got 600 bucks from the " stimulus "...so I know that it didn't just go to one group or another. I agree. I have heard ignorant comments on both sides of the political spectrum, that is why I made the statement that many people oppose obama due to racism,, I didnt name names and didnt give a number, I stated a fact that I have seen and heard for myself. I also made the correlation between black people and the vote for democrats and for Obama based upon my own personal conversations and experiences. I feel that the racial divide in this election was correlated to the presidents race but not BECAUSE of it. I feel he was seen by many of us as someone , unlike mccain, that had some personal knowledge of being middle class and being a minority and having no particular privilege. He represented someone who cared about the lives of kids, education, employment, health and many other issues that disproportionately affect us. Had he been a white male with the same ideas and goals running against the mccain palin ticket, I believe the divide would have been the same. The fact that he was a black man(or a man with a black father, if it pleases some better) just made for a more historically significant and exciting process. |
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/grant/peopleevents/e_klan.html At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans. That's right, the Democrat party created the KKK to oppose Republicans. The first blacks elected to public office were elected immediately following the Civil War. They were all Republicans. The National Black Republican Association has some great resources, so that people can wake up. http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&x=5482106 I was not aware of this. Thanks for the info. Of course, this was a long time ago and it's not really relevant to who we elect today. The parties, in my opinion, are of little consequence. The candidates on either side have very little differences. We are going to give up our rights and become a police state no matter who is in charge. It's only a matter of time. George Bush and Obama are the same. |
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That's funny.....if you look at the actual national debt, it has increased steadily since Andrew Jackson. Every administration, democrat or republican, as had a larger national debt than the previous. Government spending increased 25% under bush senior, 35% under, and 45% under bush jr. No look at the Obama administration, it's gotta be at least 55% of an increase. Notice a pattern here? Too bad people are too caught up in red and blue. I do agree that most self proclaimed "conservatives" are more neoconservative, because they want to dump trillions overseas, and will try anything to control the world.. But by that matter i also find most self proclaimed liberals as be neoliberal, because they wat to take away people's rights to make their own decisions, and are always voting for a bigger, more controlling government. Kinda mess up don't yea think?  I love you.
Sorry, I just get so carried away when I see truth and common sense. 
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just a little quiz I found
BLACK POLITICAL HISTORY TEST 1. What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 2. What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 3. What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 4. What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 5. What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP who were themselves white? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 6. What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 7. What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the1957 Civil Rights Act and the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960’s? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 8. What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party 9. What is the Party of President George W. Bush who supports the U.S. Supreme Court’s University of Michigan Affirmative Action decision, and is spending over $200 billion to fight AIDS in Africa and on programs to help black Americans prosper, including school vouchers, the faith-based initiative, home ownership, and small business ownership? [ ] a. Democratic Party [ ] b. Republican Party ____________________ note: all answers are "b" source: National Black Republican Association of course some people wont accept this because they are the wrong kind of black http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-HistoryTest |
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Part 2 of the test
BLACK POLITICAL HISTORY 10. What Party fought to keep blacks in slavery and was the Party of the Ku Klux Klan? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 11. What Party from 1870 to 1930 used fraud, whippings, lynching, murder, intimidation, and mutilation to get the black vote, and passed the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws which legalized racial discrimination and denied blacks their rights as citizens? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 12. What was the Party of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and President Harry Truman who rejected anti-lynching laws and efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 13. What was the Party of President John F. Kennedy who voted against the 1957 Civil Rights law as a Senator, then opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. after becoming president, and later had the FBI (supervised by his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy) investigate Dr. King on suspicion of being a communist? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 14. What is the Party of current Senator Robert Byrd who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, Senator Fritz Hollings who hoisted the Confederate flag over the state capitol in South Carolina when he was the governor, and Senator Ted Kennedy who recently insulted black judicial nominees by calling them “Neanderthals” while blocking their appointments? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 15. What was the Party of President Bill Clinton who failed to fight the terrorists after the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, sent troops to war in Bosnia and Kosovo without Congressional approval, vetoed the Welfare Reform law twice before signing it, and refused to comply with a court order to have shipping companies develop an Affirmative Action Plan? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 16. What is the Party of Vice President Al Gore whose father voted against the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960’s, and who lost the 2000 election as confirmed by a second recount of Florida votes by the “Miami Herald” and a consortium of major news organizations and the ruling by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that blacks were not denied the right to vote? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party 17. What Party is against the faith-based initiative, against school vouchers, against school prayers, and takes the black vote for granted without ever acknowledging their racist past or apologizing for trying to expand slavery, lynching blacks and passing the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws that caused great harm to blacks? [ ] a. Republican Party [ ] b. Democratic Party all answers are "b" again |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 11/28/09 11:21 AM
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alot of questions with personal bias with them
As I said before, neither party has a platform that is blatantly or obviously racist, and neither party, in my lifetime, has proven themself more or less racist than the other. My pov is more along the lines of the CONSTITUENTS of the parties than the parties themself. Racist constituents, in my opinion, would be more likely to feel a threat from other races and therefore not want to see them gain any leeway or make any progress, would be more likely to oppose anything viewed as a 'handout' or any types of assistance. This seems to match more with the platfrom of the Republican party. This is why I believe racists are more likely to be republicans There is no doubt in my mind, that in this country, certain groups have had built in privileges just because of the history of this country. After the civil rights leaders were all killed off in the sixties, I was born. Since then I have seen that the african american community is disproportionately affected by things relating to 'wealth'. AA's are more likely to be impoverished, undereducated, in the criminal system,,etc,,etc,, These issues are the issues that have been important to me and many other African Americans. The democratic party, in my lifetime, seems to have given more attention to trying to resolve some of these issues, human issues that disproportionately affect african americans, where as the republican party seems to have been tied up in making sure WEALTH remained where it was, disregarding how it related to the above issues and therefore, disregarding any real solution to those problems. |
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alot of questions with personal bias with them
perhaps, but they are all true like I said, some people wont accept it because black Republicans are the wrong kind of blacks |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 11/28/09 11:47 AM
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alot of questions with personal bias with them
perhaps, but they are all true like I said, some people wont accept it because black Republicans are the wrong kind of blacks I dont know what the wrong kind of black is,,,but,,,I also never said I didnt accept any of it,,,I Am sure plenty of the details are facts,,, Someone on the other side could now find similar details supporting their belief about democrats support of african americans. My point being there is far too long a history of politics and far too many details to chose from to label one side any more definitively pro black than the other but most african americans I know who take part in the election process are voting on the issues that are important to them,,just like anyone else. |
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What party went to war to free da' slaves? ( )Repubs
( )Dems What party fights for the rights for Companies to keep slaves, as we speak?( )Repubs ( )Dems |
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening.
It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps. 
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
not me I'm gonna be a guard now step behind the white line please |
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
not me I'm gonna be a guard now step behind the white line please  
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
what is ptb? |
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Edited by
Ruth34611
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Sat 11/28/09 12:05 PM
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
what is ptb? Powers That Be. Sometimes I use if for the gods and sometimes I use it for those "in charge" here on earth. I should have a way of differentiating the two. |
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
what is ptb? Powers That Be. Sometimes I use if for the gods and sometimes I use it for those "in charge" here on earth. I should have a way of differentiating the two. Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. I really am not here fighting, just expressing my point of view. Im not a fighter at all, except maybe when I see bullies,,(pet peave of mine), otherwise, Fighting on a computer screen is a waste of space and energy. |
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
what is ptb? Powers That Be. Sometimes I use if for the gods and sometimes I use it for those "in charge" here on earth. I should have a way of differentiating the two. Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. I really am not here fighting, just expressing my point of view. Im not a fighter at all, except maybe when I see bullies,,(pet peave of mine), otherwise, Fighting on a computer screen is a waste of space and energy. You and I do not always agree on the subjects, but you are a smart girl and put thought into your responses. I respect that. My only point is to get people to realize that it's US agains THEM and to stop fighting amongst US. But, until people realize this, we are doomed. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Sat 11/28/09 12:13 PM
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
what is ptb? Powers That Be. Sometimes I use if for the gods and sometimes I use it for those "in charge" here on earth. I should have a way of differentiating the two. Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. I really am not here fighting, just expressing my point of view. Im not a fighter at all, except maybe when I see bullies,,(pet peave of mine), otherwise, Fighting on a computer screen is a waste of space and energy. exactly I dont like to argue or fight on here (some exist just for that though) but the point was made that the Republican Party is the party of racism and I was just pointing out that the black Republicans don't think so |
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Keep fighting. It's what the PTB wants. That way you won't see what is really happening. It's okay. We will all have to get along when we are in concentration camps.
what is ptb? Powers That Be. Sometimes I use if for the gods and sometimes I use it for those "in charge" here on earth. I should have a way of differentiating the two. Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. I really am not here fighting, just expressing my point of view. Im not a fighter at all, except maybe when I see bullies,,(pet peave of mine), otherwise, Fighting on a computer screen is a waste of space and energy. You and I do not always agree on the subjects, but you are a smart girl and put thought into your responses. I respect that. My only point is to get people to realize that it's US agains THEM and to stop fighting amongst US. But, until people realize this, we are doomed. I've been tryin' ta' tell 'em all along,today's Repubs and Dems are cut from the same cloth. |
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I've been tryin' ta' tell 'em all along,today's Repubs and Dems are cut from the same cloth. 
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