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Spider SEZ:"Acknowledge? They live off it! By race baiting and insulting the 40% of Americans who call themselves Conservatives, they farm blacks for their votes."
The title and the subject of this thread is NOT about Conservatives...many conservative have abandoned the GOP. The OP is spinning his head off, I haven't equated conservatism to the GOP since the late 80's...since then they are only conservative about protecting corporate socialim and their base has turned to racists and also religious extremists for their numbers...(ala Palin)....thus their 19% willing to admit they are GOPers. Another example of the GOP agenda was their attacks against ACORN, while there are nuts in any org ACORN was singled out because they help minorities register to vote...and that's always bad for the GOPers since they draw ziltch from that demographic. I love disecting these (sometimes paid) shills who are all over the internet trying to save the GoP and their lame and often criminal party. It's all sooo amusing. Here's what happens when we have the GOP in charge...egads! (Unfortunately president Obama is having to outspend them to repair the damage from the worst of all...the DIPPIC years.) 
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Edited by
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to get back on the original subject though, I want to clear up that I am not one who thinks the republican ideals or the democratic are fundamentally racist. I just think , at this point in history, racists are more likely identifying with republicans who tend to want everyone to magically do everything independently . This doesnt mean that most republicans are racist either, it just means that racists are more likely to oppose the types of things that democrats support when it comes to 'helping others or giving back'. The ideology that people can and should make progress completely on their own is more a republican one than a democratic one and probably why racists would be more inclined to support the republican platform. You do a lot of claiming racism. Care to name 'em to back up your claim? Im not claiming racism, just claiming racism exists, is that even refutable? Does it really need names? Google the names of those who said straight out they would never vote for a black man and check their affiliation or check out some of the yahoo or paltalk rooms that oppose Obama and listen for a short while, I am sure you will hear something racist. I didnt post to 'out' anyone, just to make a general observation, based on what my experience with others has been. |
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Edited by
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to get back on the original subject though, I want to clear up that I am not one who thinks the republican ideals or the democratic are fundamentally racist. I just think , at this point in history, racists are more likely identifying with republicans who tend to want everyone to magically do everything independently . This doesnt mean that most republicans are racist either, it just means that racists are more likely to oppose the types of things that democrats support when it comes to 'helping others or giving back'. The ideology that people can and should make progress completely on their own is more a republican one than a democratic one and probably why racists would be more inclined to support the republican platform. You do a lot of claiming racism. Care to name 'em to back up your claim? Im not claiming racism, just claiming racism exists, is that even refutable? Does it really need names? Google the names of those who said straight out they would never vote for a black man and check their affiliation or check out some of the yahoo or paltalk rooms that oppose Obama and listen for a short while, I am sure you will hear something racist. I didnt post to 'out' anyone, just to make a general observation, based on what my experience with others has been. Do you believe there are racists Dems? This is a trick question. 
Of course there are racist Dems!! They are the ones from ACORN who hassled the voters. They are the ones who voted for Hussein just because he wasn't white. Now, they regret not getting to know Ron Paul. They are the, militant muslims, Panthers and all others who hate whites. Or, is racism a thing only whites are capable of??? 
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i always voted for the Whig party
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/grant/peopleevents/e_klan.html At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans. That's right, the Democrat party created the KKK to oppose Republicans. The first blacks elected to public office were elected immediately following the Civil War. They were all Republicans. The National Black Republican Association has some great resources, so that people can wake up. http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&x=5482106 Too bad it didn't stay that way I guess. The white supremacists today love the repubs. That is their place to stand. Anti big government, anti gay and lesbian, pro religion, etc... all fit right in with the white supremacists beliefs. |
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Spider SEZ:"Acknowledge? They live off it! By race baiting and insulting the 40% of Americans who call themselves Conservatives, they farm blacks for their votes." The title and the subject of this thread is NOT about Conservatives...many conservative have abandoned the GOP. The OP is spinning his head off, I haven't equated conservatism to the GOP since the late 80's...since then they are only conservative about protecting corporate socialim and their base has turned to racists and also religious extremists for their numbers...(ala Palin)....thus their 19% willing to admit they are GOPers. Another example of the GOP agenda was their attacks against ACORN, while there are nuts in any org ACORN was singled out because they help minorities register to vote...and that's always bad for the GOPers since they draw ziltch from that demographic. I love disecting these (sometimes paid) shills who are all over the internet trying to save the GoP and their lame and often criminal party. It's all sooo amusing. Here's what happens when we have the GOP in charge...egads! (Unfortunately president Obama is having to outspend them to repair the damage from the worst of all...the DIPPIC years.)
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/grant/peopleevents/e_klan.html At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans. That's right, the Democrat party created the KKK to oppose Republicans. The first blacks elected to public office were elected immediately following the Civil War. They were all Republicans. The National Black Republican Association has some great resources, so that people can wake up. http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&x=5482106 Too bad it didn't stay that way I guess. The white supremacists today love the repubs. That is their place to stand. Anti big government, anti gay and lesbian, pro religion, etc... all fit right in with the white supremacists beliefs. A little collectivist, don't you think? I'm anti government and not Republican at all!
P.S. everyone is "pro-religion", as religiosity is part of human nature, due to our lack of omniscience. Some call their religion "atheism", some call one of a zillion names. "Pro-ORGANIZED religion" is another thing entirely. |
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to get back on the original subject though, I want to clear up that I am not one who thinks the republican ideals or the democratic are fundamentally racist. I just think , at this point in history, racists are more likely identifying with republicans who tend to want everyone to magically do everything independently . This doesnt mean that most republicans are racist either, it just means that racists are more likely to oppose the types of things that democrats support when it comes to 'helping others or giving back'. The ideology that people can and should make progress completely on their own is more a republican one than a democratic one and probably why racists would be more inclined to support the republican platform. You do a lot of claiming racism. Care to name 'em to back up your claim? Im not claiming racism, just claiming racism exists, is that even refutable? Does it really need names? Google the names of those who said straight out they would never vote for a black man and check their affiliation or check out some of the yahoo or paltalk rooms that oppose Obama and listen for a short while, I am sure you will hear something racist. I didnt post to 'out' anyone, just to make a general observation, based on what my experience with others has been. Do you believe there are racists Dems? This is a trick question.
Of course there are racist Dems!! They are the ones from ACORN who hassled the voters. They are the ones who voted for Hussein just because he wasn't white. Now, they regret not getting to know Ron Paul. They are the, militant muslims, Panthers and all others who hate whites. Or, is racism a thing only whites are capable of???
White folks seem to initiate it, right? White folks have caused all racist problems in this country. If they had never started hatred based on race here, which they did start, it would never be a problem. |
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Spider SEZ:"Acknowledge? They live off it! By race baiting and insulting the 40% of Americans who call themselves Conservatives, they farm blacks for their votes." The title and the subject of this thread is NOT about Conservatives...many conservative have abandoned the GOP. The OP is spinning his head off, I haven't equated conservatism to the GOP since the late 80's...since then they are only conservative about protecting corporate socialim and their base has turned to racists and also religious extremists for their numbers...(ala Palin)....thus their 19% willing to admit they are GOPers. Another example of the GOP agenda was their attacks against ACORN, while there are nuts in any org ACORN was singled out because they help minorities register to vote...and that's always bad for the GOPers since they draw ziltch from that demographic. I love disecting these (sometimes paid) shills who are all over the internet trying to save the GoP and their lame and often criminal party. It's all sooo amusing. Here's what happens when we have the GOP in charge...egads! (Unfortunately president Obama is having to outspend them to repair the damage from the worst of all...the DIPPIC years.)
That's funny.....if you look at the actual national debt, it has increased steadily since Andrew Jackson. Every administration, democrat or republican, as had a larger national debt than the previous. Government spending increased 25% under bush senior, 35% under, and 45% under bush jr. No look at the Obama administration, it's gotta be at least 55% of an increase. Notice a pattern here? Too bad people are too caught up in red and blue. I do agree that most self proclaimed "conservatives" are more neoconservative, because they want to dump trillions overseas, and will try anything to control the world.. But by that matter i also find most self proclaimed liberals as be neoliberal, because they wat to take away people's rights to make their own decisions, and are always voting for a bigger, more controlling government. Kinda mess up don't yea think? |
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/grant/peopleevents/e_klan.html At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans. That's right, the Democrat party created the KKK to oppose Republicans. The first blacks elected to public office were elected immediately following the Civil War. They were all Republicans. The National Black Republican Association has some great resources, so that people can wake up. http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&x=5482106 Too bad it didn't stay that way I guess. The white supremacists today love the repubs. That is their place to stand. Anti big government, anti gay and lesbian, pro religion, etc... all fit right in with the white supremacists beliefs. A little collectivist, don't you think? I'm anti government and not Republican at all!
P.S. everyone is "pro-religion", as religiosity is part of human nature, due to our lack of omniscience. Some call their religion "atheism", some call one of a zillion names. "Pro-ORGANIZED religion" is another thing entirely. Religion is not part of human nature. We have had it around so long we believe it to be a part of our nature and those who wish to push an agenda will insist it is part of our nature. Man made religions are all there is in the religion department. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 11/27/09 05:20 PM
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Yes, there are also democrat racists.. no, whites are not the only ones can be racist
My claim was that I believe racists are more likely to vote republican because they are more likely to agree with the platform that people should become successful witn individual efforts alone. They are more likely to believe they 'EARNED' What they deserve and others without it have not worked hard enoug to 'earn' it. Nowhere did I state whites were only capable of racist or that only republicans were... does any one understand the terms "I believe' and 'more likely'? |
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Yes, there are also democrat racists.. no, whites are not the only ones can be racist My claim was that I believe racists are more likely to vote republican because they are more likely to agree with the platform that people should become successful witn individual efforts alone. They are more likely to believe they 'EARNED' What they deserve and others without it have not worked hard enoug to 'earn' it. Nowhere did I state whites were only capable of racist or that only republicans were... does any one understand the terms "I believe' and 'more likely'? When most of us make a claim like, "more likely", we back it up with proof or numbers. You are only offering your biased opinion. I do see it as biased because you only speak of repubs. |
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Some seem to be the experts on bias...lol
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Yes, there are also democrat racists.. no, whites are not the only ones can be racist My claim was that I believe racists are more likely to vote republican because they are more likely to agree with the platform that people should become successful witn individual efforts alone. They are more likely to believe they 'EARNED' What they deserve and others without it have not worked hard enoug to 'earn' it. Nowhere did I state whites were only capable of racist or that only republicans were... does any one understand the terms "I believe' and 'more likely'? When most of us make a claim like, "more likely", we back it up with proof or numbers. You are only offering your biased opinion. I do see it as biased because you only speak of repubs. I apologize for the perceived bias, I pointed out about republicans because it is the correlation spider introduced. as far as numbers to back up racism, i dont believe there is any record keeping process currently being practiced concerning racists and non racists so I would have no number. I am only making a correlation between a commonly held belief of many racists that I have heard from their own mouths and the platform most republican candidates run on. as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not. |
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Yes, there are also democrat racists.. no, whites are not the only ones can be racist My claim was that I believe racists are more likely to vote republican because they are more likely to agree with the platform that people should become successful witn individual efforts alone. They are more likely to believe they 'EARNED' What they deserve and others without it have not worked hard enoug to 'earn' it. Nowhere did I state whites were only capable of racist or that only republicans were... does any one understand the terms "I believe' and 'more likely'? When most of us make a claim like, "more likely", we back it up with proof or numbers. You are only offering your biased opinion. I do see it as biased because you only speak of repubs. I apologize for the perceived bias, I pointed out about republicans because it is the correlation spider introduced. as far as numbers to back up racism, i dont believe there is any record keeping process currently being practiced concerning racists and non racists so I would have no number. I am only making a correlation between a commonly held belief of many racists that I have heard from their own mouths and the platform most republican candidates run on. as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not. Opinions or facts, I still think you are one hot lil' tater!!  
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Yes, there are also democrat racists.. no, whites are not the only ones can be racist My claim was that I believe racists are more likely to vote republican because they are more likely to agree with the platform that people should become successful witn individual efforts alone. They are more likely to believe they 'EARNED' What they deserve and others without it have not worked hard enoug to 'earn' it. Nowhere did I state whites were only capable of racist or that only republicans were... does any one understand the terms "I believe' and 'more likely'? When most of us make a claim like, "more likely", we back it up with proof or numbers. You are only offering your biased opinion. I do see it as biased because you only speak of repubs. I apologize for the perceived bias, I pointed out about republicans because it is the correlation spider introduced. as far as numbers to back up racism, i dont believe there is any record keeping process currently being practiced concerning racists and non racists so I would have no number. I am only making a correlation between a commonly held belief of many racists that I have heard from their own mouths and the platform most republican candidates run on. as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not. Opinions or facts, I still think you are one hot lil' tater!!
well, even a broken clock is right twice a day,,,lol thanx |
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as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not.
Well..here's a thought... Obama's ratings have been falling in every demographic except for one. Only one demographic actually saw his approval rating rise. Guess which demographic it was. You got it....African Americans. His rating for that group went up 2% while he was down at least 10% in every other demographic. I am not saying that this is caused by racism....but, as far as the African Americans polled...might it not be a case of " color blindness " in that, no matter what he does, he can do no wrong because he's an African American man?? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 11/27/09 07:16 PM
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as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not.
Well..here's a thought... Obama's ratings have been falling in every demographic except for one. Only one demographic actually saw his approval rating rise. Guess which demographic it was. You got it....African Americans. His rating for that group went up 2% while he was down at least 10% in every other demographic. I am not saying that this is caused by racism....but, as far as the African Americans polled...might it not be a case of " color blindness " in that, no matter what he does, he can do no wrong because he's an African American man?? it could be or it could be a case of a demographic which is used to substantial change taking substantial time, ,,or a case of a demographic which HAS seen positive changes affecting their specific american experience, such as help with foreclosures and credit card rates, etc,,, |
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as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not.
Well..here's a thought... Obama's ratings have been falling in every demographic except for one. Only one demographic actually saw his approval rating rise. Guess which demographic it was. You got it....African Americans. His rating for that group went up 2% while he was down at least 10% in every other demographic. I am not saying that this is caused by racism....but, as far as the African Americans polled...might it not be a case of " color blindness " in that, no matter what he does, he can do no wrong because he's an African American man?? it could be or it could be a case of a demographic which is used to substantial change taking substantial time, ,, ....or..... It could be a case of ( if you had seen any coverage of what happened recently in Detroit ) African Americans ( not all, but many of them ) thinking that all the stimulus stuff is great because white people are finally being forced to give them money. Those people didn't give a rat's rear end where the money was coming from. Only that Obama ( so they thought ) was handing it out for nothing. |
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as so far as addressing republicans and racism within the black race, being a black woman with a large black family and having grown up and been exposed to many cultures of black people, I felt my experience was enough to warrant me an opinion on whether his assumption that blacks voting for Obama strictly because he was black had merit or not.
Well..here's a thought... Obama's ratings have been falling in every demographic except for one. Only one demographic actually saw his approval rating rise. Guess which demographic it was. You got it....African Americans. His rating for that group went up 2% while he was down at least 10% in every other demographic. I am not saying that this is caused by racism....but, as far as the African Americans polled...might it not be a case of " color blindness " in that, no matter what he does, he can do no wrong because he's an African American man?? it could be or it could be a case of a demographic which is used to substantial change taking substantial time, ,, ....or..... It could be a case of ( if you had seen any coverage of what happened recently in Detroit ) African Americans ( not all, but many of them ) thinking that all the stimulus stuff is great because white people are finally being forced to give them money. Those people didn't give a rat's rear end where the money was coming from. Only that Obama ( so they thought ) was handing it out for nothing. Plenty of could be's that could be listed on either side,, no pun intended. question though, are you repeating what someone said when you state some think stimulus is great because 'white people' are being forced to give them money? IF so,, that person is ignorant about who pays taxes, and who was given the stimulus( it wasnt just whites giving and not just blacks receiving). And many keep willfully ignoring that those who receive aid on an individual basis from tax funds have or will pay plenty of their own money into those funds in their lifetime...so its not so simple as some giving and others JUST taking. WE all have to give during our lifetime. |
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