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Topic: Sudanese teen. I bet she never breaks that Law again
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Fri 11/27/09 03:53 PM
You know how rebellious those teens can be.
These guys really believe in, spare the rod, spoil the child.

Sudanese teen flogged for wearing "indecent" skirt
AP

By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer Sarah El Deeb, Associated Press Writer – Fri Nov 27, 2:57 pm ET

CAIRO – A 16-year-old Christian girl from southern Sudan said Friday she was lashed 50 times for wearing a skirt deemed indecent by authorities in the north who enforce a strict version of Islamic law.

Silva Kashif said she was arrested by a plain-clothed policeman in a Khartoum market last week for wearing a skirt beneath the knee. She was convicted of offending public morality and received 50 lashes in the courtroom.

"I was treated like a criminal," Kashif said in a telephone interview. "I am confused what to wear. The trousers were an issue. My skirt was beneath the knee. What more can I do? I am Christian. My tribe and my customs permit me to dress like this."

Human rights lawyer Azhari al-Haj said a legal team plans to sue the authorities for procedural mistakes and to exonerate Kashif.

Kashif's ordeal follows the high profile case of Lubna Hussein, a female journalist who was sentenced to 40 lashes for wearing trousers deemed indecent. Hussein's sentence was reduced to a fine, and she is now lobbying to change the morality laws.

Sudan's indecency law allows flogging as a punishment. Human rights campaigners say the law is vaguely defined and arbitrarily enforced — and often incorrectly applied to non-Muslims such as south Sudanese Christians living in the capital.

Under a 2005 peace deal that ended a 20-year civil war between the Muslim north and the Christian and animist south, laws — including the indecency law — are supposed to be reviewed to respect human rights and freedom of expression.

Sudan's government implements a conservative version of Islamic law in the north. Public order police enforce the laws, banning alcohol, breaking up parties and preventing men and women from mingling in public.

In northern Sudan, many women wear traditional flowing robes that also cover their hair, but it is also not uncommon for women to wear trousers, even though conservatives consider it immodest.

Kashif, a high-school student, said she was heading to the local market in a Khartoum suburb to buy vegetables when she noticed a man following her. When she confronted him, she said he grabbed her by the hand and led her to a police station, where he charged her with wearing indecent clothes.

Kashif said she was lashed on her back, hands and legs.

"I came home and slept for a whole day. When my family found out, we all cried," she said.

Al-Haj, the human rights lawyer, said his group will protest that authorities gave Kashif the maximum sentence and ignored that she was a minor and a Christian.

"The whole thing from her arrest to her flogging didn't take one hour and half. This is unprecedented," he said. "We want to question the police officers and the judge, to exonerate Silva and to campaign against these laws."

Amal Habbani, a women's rights activist and columnist, said cases of flogging women for wearing clothes deemed indecent are backlogging the Sudanese legal system.

All that's needed to prosecute a woman for a dress violation is a complaint, and there are many thousands filed each year, she said.
They need to hire more floggers so they can catch up.shocked

"Most of these (violators) receive quick trials and sentences and they don't speak about it," Habbani said. "This is repression of a whole society through its women."

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Fri 11/27/09 04:07 PM



"In northern Sudan, many women wear traditional flowing robes that also cover their hair, but it is also not uncommon for women to wear trousers, even though CONSERVATIVES consider it immodest."



slaphead

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Sat 11/28/09 05:51 PM
Uh I'm a conservative and I don't think women wearing trousers is immodest. If that's what you're saying it makes no sense at all.
slaphead

tohyup's photo
Sun 11/29/09 08:33 AM
Sudan is a sovereign nation and NOT a US state . They choose their laws like all other nations .

willing2's photo
Sun 11/29/09 08:54 AM

Sudan is a sovereign nation and NOT a US state . They choose their laws like all other nations .

Which end of the stick would you wanna' be on??slaphead

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Sun 11/29/09 09:30 AM


Sudan is a sovereign nation and NOT a US state . They choose their laws like all other nations .

Which end of the stick would you wanna' be on??slaphead


Well I assure you I would not be stupid enough to defy the laws of the land I lived in just to make a point. Knowing full well what the end results would cost me.

Sorry but they have had those laws for many century's if one does not want to abide by the laws of their own land then they should move to wear they see fit. JMO

Regardless whether I agree with those laws or not is not the issue here.

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Sun 11/29/09 09:36 AM



Sudan is a sovereign nation and NOT a US state . They choose their laws like all other nations .

Which end of the stick would you wanna' be on??slaphead


Well I assure you I would not be stupid enough to defy the laws of the land I lived in just to make a point. Knowing full well what the end results would cost me.

Sorry but they have had those laws for many century's if one does not want to abide by the laws of their own land then they should move to wear they see fit. JMO

Regardless whether I agree with those laws or not is not the issue here.

I agree.
It does seem hypocritical when some, on one hand whine about human rights and then, defend countries who commit these atrocities.


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/29/09 09:41 AM
I agree. All lands dont have the same values or laws as the US. It is wise to know the laws (and dominant language) of a land if you choose to live there.

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Sun 11/29/09 10:08 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sun 11/29/09 10:10 AM

I agree. All lands dont have the same values or laws as the US. It is wise to know the laws (and dominant language) of a land if you choose to live there.

Si, es el caso? Entonces, poprque aqui in el Estados Unidos, no hablamos el Espaniol?

Dice Hussein, aprende el Espaniol!!laugh laugh

I enjoy the hypocritical ideas on human rights abuses. Dos cadas!!laugh laugh laugh

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Sun 11/29/09 10:14 AM
I dont agree whats happened to this poor girl it seems rather ignorant to punish her for such a stupid law, what next today is a red shoe day you dont agree well theres a beating for you!!we live in a mad world ruled by mad people no wonder its a mess!! Anna x

willing2's photo
Sun 11/29/09 10:24 AM

I dont agree whats happened to this poor girl it seems rather ignorant to punish her for such a stupid law, what next today is a red shoe day you dont agree well theres a beating for you!!we live in a mad world ruled by mad people no wonder its a mess!! Anna x

And, they're coming to a town near you with their Sharia Law.

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Sun 11/29/09 10:28 AM


I dont agree whats happened to this poor girl it seems rather ignorant to punish her for such a stupid law, what next today is a red shoe day you dont agree well theres a beating for you!!we live in a mad world ruled by mad people no wonder its a mess!! Anna x

And, they're coming to a town near you with their Sharia Law.


And i know what they can do with that law shove it where the sun dont shine!! I am English i live in a christian society by all means worship in what way you want but dont push crap like that on me!! i have had my rant now need to rest my head!laugh Anna x

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Sun 11/29/09 11:35 AM


I agree. All lands dont have the same values or laws as the US. It is wise to know the laws (and dominant language) of a land if you choose to live there.

Si, es el caso? Entonces, poprque aqui in el Estados Unidos, no hablamos el Espaniol?

Dice Hussein, aprende el Espaniol!!laugh laugh

I enjoy the hypocritical ideas on human rights abuses. Dos cadas!!laugh laugh laugh



Same reason I wouldnt go to France and learn German. Although german is spoken there, it is not the DOMINANT language.

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Sun 11/29/09 11:39 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 11/29/09 11:39 AM

I dont agree whats happened to this poor girl it seems rather ignorant to punish her for such a stupid law, what next today is a red shoe day you dont agree well theres a beating for you!!we live in a mad world ruled by mad people no wonder its a mess!! Anna x


I dont believe it is ignroant if the law and the punishment applies to all. It is unfortunate she wasnt aware of the law if there was a law. If there wasnt such a law, than I hope her case will prevail. In parts of amsterdam it is legal to have and smoke pot,, but you cant come to the US and do so without penalty. Whether those from amsterdam think it is a stupid law or not,, it is currently the law that all must abide by,,,american or not.

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Sun 11/29/09 11:42 AM
Under a 2005 peace deal that ended a 20-year civil war between the Muslim north and the Christian and animist south, laws — including the indecency law — are supposed to be reviewed to respect human rights and freedom of expression.

that is what got my attention

apparently that law wasnt supposed to apply to her as a Christian and according to the terms of the peace treaty

and that is why they are able to take it to court and sue over it

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/29/09 11:56 AM

Under a 2005 peace deal that ended a 20-year civil war between the Muslim north and the Christian and animist south, laws — including the indecency law — are supposed to be reviewed to respect human rights and freedom of expression.

that is what got my attention

apparently that law wasnt supposed to apply to her as a Christian and according to the terms of the peace treaty

and that is why they are able to take it to court and sue over it


thanx for the info... sounds as if they have a case, hope they win it.

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Sun 11/29/09 12:59 PM
CAIRO – A 16-year-old Christian girl from southern Sudan said Friday she was lashed 50 times for wearing a skirt deemed indecent by authorities in the north who enforce a strict version of Islamic law.


Hummm so has anyone noticed that she was actually within the area that has not changed that law?

She is from the South and was in fact within the North. Just because one crosses the borders where other laws are in fact with held. That is no excuse one should not have to abide by the laws within that area.

The South is the ones that changed their view of the Law but the North in fact still abides by it.

Ignorance of the Law is never and excuse to defy it try that in the USA where a judge will tell you real fast the laws are there if you do not know them no matter what age they will not in fact use that as a plea bargain.

Hey even I think that law is crazy but I have known others that lived within areas that had such laws due to they were in fact stationed there due to they were in the Military. Even though they were Americans they said that if you walked down the streets with your legs showing that the old men would stand with switches and actually hit your legs with the switches leaving marks. Hey it did not take them long to learn that was not the smartest thing to do. And in fact she told me it only took her once seeing it done to someone else that she made sure she in fact complied to the laws in order not to be switched with the sticks... small price to pay when in fact you are within their country.

No matter where you venture one has no excuse of not knowing the laws within the area.

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Sun 11/29/09 01:37 PM

I dont agree whats happened to this poor girl it seems rather ignorant to punish her for such a stupid law, what next today is a red shoe day you dont agree well theres a beating for you!!we live in a mad world ruled by mad people no wonder its a mess!! Anna x

Some countries mix religion with traditions and make them laws .
Breaking the law just puts you in trouble . Bear in mind that those laws are supported by the majority of citizens due to customs, traditions, religion....etc .

markumX's photo
Sun 11/29/09 02:55 PM
this isn't sharia law.....besides the christians punished and even murdered women for far less. if it's not happening in the US keep your nose out of it

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 11/29/09 03:05 PM

Uh I'm a conservative and I don't think women wearing trousers is immodest. If that's what you're saying it makes no sense at all.
slaphead

:smile: It's what the article says:smile:

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