Topic: Feminism turned women into miserable 'wage slaves'
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Sun 12/13/09 12:52 PM
Edited by Shoku on Sun 12/13/09 12:53 PM



Sorry, I don't have any statistical data which you should provide in support your arguments...

But I think the boss would request a "favour" in return ONLY when the other party doesn't truly deserve the promotion!

Shoku: Being a woman automatically makes them less deserving of the promotion. Actually you never deserve to be promoted.

Really? what How the F..k would you know?
Actually, you're Dead Wrong! -- pathetic "little" chauvenistic man... laugh laugh laugh

* You seem to be resorting to insults, when running out of arguments! In that case, GET LOST, you_SUCKER!!!
I was hoping you'd form an argument against it instead of sinking to the same level but oh well.

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Sun 12/13/09 07:57 PM




Sorry, I don't have any statistical data which you should provide in support your arguments...

But I think the boss would request a "favour" in return ONLY when the other party doesn't truly deserve the promotion!

Shoku: Being a woman automatically makes them less deserving of the promotion. Actually you never deserve to be promoted.

Really? what How the F..k would you know?
Actually, you're Dead Wrong! -- pathetic "little" chauvenistic man... laugh laugh laugh

* You seem to be resorting to insults, when running out of arguments! In that case, GET LOST, you_SUCKER!!!
I was hoping you'd form an argument against it instead of sinking to the same level but oh well.

You have a funny way of initiating a discussion -- an insult -- the least effective way... You better learn the rules of tact and diplomacy -- especially when dealing with a lady!
I never defend myself against the unfounded accusation -- I simply hang up!

Shoku's photo
Sun 12/13/09 08:06 PM





Sorry, I don't have any statistical data which you should provide in support your arguments...

But I think the boss would request a "favour" in return ONLY when the other party doesn't truly deserve the promotion!

Shoku: Being a woman automatically makes them less deserving of the promotion. Actually you never deserve to be promoted.

Really? what How the F..k would you know?
Actually, you're Dead Wrong! -- pathetic "little" chauvenistic man... laugh laugh laugh

* You seem to be resorting to insults, when running out of arguments! In that case, GET LOST, you_SUCKER!!!
I was hoping you'd form an argument against it instead of sinking to the same level but oh well.

You have a funny way of initiating a discussion -- an insult -- the least effective way... You better learn the rules of tact and diplomacy -- especially when dealing with a lady!
I never defend myself against the unfounded accusation -- I simply hang up!
It wasn't an insult. I don't know anything about if you're employed, some housewife, or even a child. I'm just saying that women have men to fall back on so they don't need the same pay as someone supporting a family.

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Sun 12/13/09 08:26 PM






Sorry, I don't have any statistical data which you should provide in support your arguments...

But I think the boss would request a "favour" in return ONLY when the other party doesn't truly deserve the promotion!

Shoku: Being a woman automatically makes them less deserving of the promotion. Actually you never deserve to be promoted.

Really? what How the F..k would you know?
Actually, you're Dead Wrong! -- pathetic "little" chauvenistic man... laugh laugh laugh

* You seem to be resorting to insults, when running out of arguments! In that case, GET LOST, you_SUCKER!!!
I was hoping you'd form an argument against it instead of sinking to the same level but oh well.

You have a funny way of initiating a discussion -- an insult -- the least effective way... You better learn the rules of tact and diplomacy -- especially when dealing with a lady!
I never defend myself against the unfounded accusation -- I simply hang up!
It wasn't an insult. I don't know anything about if you're employed, some housewife, or even a child. I'm just saying that women have men to fall back on so they don't need the same pay as someone supporting a family.


Men to fall back on, men to fall back on....which fairy tale have you been reading???
WTF..where do such thoughts come from?
I have raised my family alone, you should do more research before saying something so damn silly young brother...

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Sun 12/13/09 08:27 PM
"Women have been turned into unhappy 'wage-slaves' by the march of feminism, according to one of the movement's pioneers, the author Fay Weldon.

The novelist, 78, believes only the better-off are able to cope with the exhausting nature of modern life."

Interesting. If she's right, then the feminists were wrong all along to assert that women are equal. :wink: laugh

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Sun 12/13/09 08:43 PM

"Women have been turned into unhappy 'wage-slaves' by the march of feminism, according to one of the movement's pioneers, the author Fay Weldon.

The novelist, 78, believes only the better-off are able to cope with the exhausting nature of modern life."

Interesting. If she's right, then the feminists were wrong all along to assert that women are equal. :wink: laugh


All humans are equal....

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Sun 12/13/09 09:10 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 12/13/09 09:17 PM






Sorry, I don't have any statistical data which you should provide in support your arguments...

But I think the boss would request a "favour" in return ONLY when the other party doesn't truly deserve the promotion!

Shoku: Being a woman automatically makes them less deserving of the promotion. Actually you never deserve to be promoted.

Really? what How the F..k would you know?
Actually, you're Dead Wrong! -- pathetic "little" chauvenistic man... laugh laugh laugh

* You seem to be resorting to insults, when running out of arguments! In that case, GET LOST, you_SUCKER!!!
I was hoping you'd form an argument against it instead of sinking to the same level but oh well.

You have a funny way of initiating a discussion -- an insult -- the least effective way... You better learn the rules of tact and diplomacy -- especially when dealing with a lady!
I never defend myself against the unfounded accusation -- I simply hang up!
It wasn't an insult. I don't know anything about if you're employed, some housewife, or even a child. I'm just saying that women have men to fall back on so they don't need the same pay as someone supporting a family.

_______ ladylid2012:
Men to fall back on, men to fall back on....which fairy tale have you been reading???
WTF..where do such thoughts come from?
I have raised my family alone, you should do more research before saying something so damn silly young brother...


Listen, Shoku, you better quit while your ahead -- I thought your a reasoble guy, but your comments indicate your not very perceptive (either from natural shortcommings, or due to the lack of maturity)... Just because you don't know anything about anybody else doesn't justify your treating everybody as fools!
The least you could've perceived from my profile (let alone my posts) is the fact I'm not a child {or some housewife)...

You better follow the ladylid2012's advise -- do more research before saying something so DUMB!!!
As I mentioned, you ruin your credibility with your own "so damn silly messages"!!! *** Your arguments may fly while arguing with Creative about science... Beyond that, you're not ready, yet -- cuz text books don't teach the fine art of human relations, which can be acquired only with experience...

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Sun 12/13/09 09:13 PM


"Women have been turned into unhappy 'wage-slaves' by the march of feminism, according to one of the movement's pioneers, the author Fay Weldon.

The novelist, 78, believes only the better-off are able to cope with the exhausting nature of modern life."

Interesting. If she's right, then the feminists were wrong all along to assert that women are equal. :wink: laugh


All humans are equal....

I was just teasing! laugh

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Sun 12/13/09 09:24 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 12/13/09 10:06 PM



"Women have been turned into unhappy 'wage-slaves' by the march of feminism, according to one of the movement's pioneers, the author Fay Weldon.

The novelist, 78, believes only the better-off are able to cope with the exhausting nature of modern life."

Interesting. If she's right, then the feminists were wrong all along to assert that women are equal. :wink: laugh


All humans are equal....

I was just teasing! laugh

Unforrunately, women who choose to compete with men at the "hourly-wage" game, are setting themselves for a disappointment!!!
Even the female bosses tend to follow the wage discrepancy!!!

Shoku's photo
Tue 12/15/09 03:26 PM







Sorry, I don't have any statistical data which you should provide in support your arguments...

But I think the boss would request a "favour" in return ONLY when the other party doesn't truly deserve the promotion!

Shoku: Being a woman automatically makes them less deserving of the promotion. Actually you never deserve to be promoted.

Really? what How the F..k would you know?
Actually, you're Dead Wrong! -- pathetic "little" chauvenistic man... laugh laugh laugh

* You seem to be resorting to insults, when running out of arguments! In that case, GET LOST, you_SUCKER!!!
I was hoping you'd form an argument against it instead of sinking to the same level but oh well.

You have a funny way of initiating a discussion -- an insult -- the least effective way... You better learn the rules of tact and diplomacy -- especially when dealing with a lady!
I never defend myself against the unfounded accusation -- I simply hang up!
It wasn't an insult. I don't know anything about if you're employed, some housewife, or even a child. I'm just saying that women have men to fall back on so they don't need the same pay as someone supporting a family.


Men to fall back on, men to fall back on....which fairy tale have you been reading???
WTF..where do such thoughts come from?
I have raised my family alone, you should do more research before saying something so damn silly young brother...

Read more than one post deep :p



"Women have been turned into unhappy 'wage-slaves' by the march of feminism, according to one of the movement's pioneers, the author Fay Weldon.

The novelist, 78, believes only the better-off are able to cope with the exhausting nature of modern life."

Interesting. If she's right, then the feminists were wrong all along to assert that women are equal. :wink: laugh


All humans are equal....
That's lazy thinking. We're clearly different.

And to think that the physical differences don't equate to mechanical differences is obviously just wishful thinking.

BUT the important thing is that the differences are not as great as we picture them to be. Ultimately most racial (and I'm using the term to signify anything that's not middle-class-Caucasian-male here,) thinking is just self-serving.

It's the most visible in people who have leadership and organizational roles as they have to make choices. You have to recognize that the role is all about making sure the group works well together and a narrow band of races will most certainly make that job easier, if only because of the closer cultural views.

It's rampant everywhere though. Just name what groups you think have the most problems with race and what groups don't have problems with it. Your bias will be immediately clear to anyone of another race regardless of where you place them.


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Tue 12/15/09 04:15 PM
Janestar:
Listen, Shoku, you better quit while your ahead -- I thought your a reasoble guy, but your comments indicate your not very perceptive (either from natural shortcommings, or due to the lack of maturity)... Just because you don't know anything about anybody else doesn't justify your treating everybody as fools!
The least you could've perceived from my profile (let alone my posts) is the fact I'm not a child {or some housewife)...

You better follow the ladylid2012's advise -- do more research before saying something so DUMB!!!
As I mentioned, you ruin your credibility with your own "so damn silly messages"!!! *** Your arguments may fly while arguing with Creative about science... Beyond that, you're not ready, yet -- cuz text books don't teach the fine art of human relations, which can be acquired only with experience...
Do you read the profile of everyone in a thread before you open your mouth?

I'm intentionally grating, confusing, and misleading. This topic really points in the direction of why I talk this way but I'll leave that up to you to figure out if you're really smart enough that I shouldn't act like I know more than you.

The thing is that you really don't know. I read a lot about how people think and the processes going on in our heads and that's just really not information most people are familiar with. They usually don't even want to be. It's upsetting to think that you can be reduced to a set of equations (and people aren't usually willing to take the time to understand I'm not saying that,) so I'm fighting a losing battle to begin with.

When I can't get my point across by being nice what's the point?

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Tue 12/15/09 04:23 PM
Shoku....yes dear, we are clearly "different", that does not mean un-equal. :heart:

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Tue 12/15/09 04:38 PM



Feminism turned women into miserable 'wage slaves' , just like men.

Women have been turned into unhappy 'wage-slaves' by the march of feminism, according to one of the movement's pioneers, the author Fay Weldon.

The novelist, 78, believes only the better-off are able to cope with the exhausting nature of modern life.

Weldon told a literature festival that while the sexual revolution of the Sixties had ended the requirement for women to provide 'sexual, childcare and cooking services', the 'downside' of feminism was a new breed of women.

These women, she claimed, are like their male office colleagues and intent only on scaling the salary ladder.

She said: 'The downside of feminism is that women are now expected to go out to work, which some women would rather do than looking after the children anyway.

'Once it was only the men who were wage-slaves, and now it's the men and the women too. You know, I'd really rather blame capitalism.

'Probably 20 per cent of women are worse off and the enormous number are better off.

'You do feel some qualms for these women who actually have to shove their children's arms into clothes at five o'clock in the morning and get them off to the nursery.'

But Weldon, who has four grown up sons and has been married three times, insisted that feminism was the 'least worst' option for women.

'If you're an intelligent, competent and healthy person it's the most wonderful thing,' she said.

'If you have no aspirations and don't want to do anything except exist, than perhaps the pre-feminist world was better. There's never a perfect solution. There's just the least worst.

'And least worst is feminist society, which is more or less what we're getting now. And people are on the whole happier than they were before Although everybody's much more tired.'

The author, best known for The Lives and Loves of a She-Devil, was speaking at the Richmond Book Now Festival over the weekend, where she was promoting her 29th novel, Chalcot Crescent.

She also said Katie Price, the former glamour model also known as Jordan, was a positive role model according to certain people's expectations about how women should 'function'.

Weldon said of the celebrity: 'If it's to look good, then she's fine. If it's to make a lot of money, then she's fine.

'So I suppose she must be empowering for women because one wants them to be prosperous and they like to look good.

'She drinks too much and sleeps with too many people and talks about it too much for common decency, but who of us is perfect?'

It is not the first time Weldon has described modern women as wage-slaves.

In an interview ten years ago, she said capitalism crept in 'under the cloak of feminism' and 'cunningly turned women as well as men into wage slaves, so that 'the employer' not 'the man' is woman's new enemy'.

In 2004, in an essay on the newly-released Briget Jones film The Edge of Reason, she described the main character as a 'wage slave' for whom the feminist revolution had passed by.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1232086/Feminism-turned-women-miserable-wage-slaves-just-like-men-says-Fay-Weldon.html








Gee I thought they were born miserable.

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Tue 12/15/09 09:50 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Tue 12/15/09 09:53 PM
shoku: I read a lot about how people think and the processes going on in our heads...


.. As I mentiond previously, the text books don't teach the fine art of Human Relations! As you can see, you provoked the Wrong response instead of the one you expected!
Doesn't that teach you anything? ? ?

Besides, it doesn't matter how much you read, but rather HOW MUCH CAN YOU INTERPRET CORRECTLY!!!

. . . Good luck...

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Tue 12/15/09 10:10 PM

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves." Confucius

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Tue 12/15/09 10:12 PM
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary. The evil it does is permanent." Mahatma Ghandi

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Tue 12/15/09 10:14 PM
"Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one who inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it." Mark Twain

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Tue 12/15/09 10:16 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/15/09 10:17 PM

"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary. The evil it does is permanent." Mahatma Ghandi


How does violence do evil?

I can agree that violence does damage, but it can't do evil. Evil, like good, Is just an opinion.

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Tue 12/15/09 10:16 PM
I object to violence because it hurts. tongue2 waving

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Tue 12/15/09 10:18 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/15/09 10:19 PM

"Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one who inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it." Mark Twain


No this is not true. Man is the only animal that actually "realizes" when or that he might be inflicting pain.

My cat loves to torture mice and other small creatures. She thinks its fun and entertaining. She has no concept of cruelty.