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I reported (to the disbelief of some) that NASA's budget had been cut (eliminated) by Obama to end manned space flight for the next five years. There was a program in the works after the five year lull called Orion to go to the moon. Today Obama canceled that program also leaving the US with no manned space program for the foreseeable future.
There is a temporary plan to rent some rides with the Russians for a while to finish up a few experiements on the space station. |
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The propulsion system exhausts too much co2..
If they developed a hybrid propulsion system, that ran on wind, solar or batteries, there wouldn't be an issue.. |
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It looks like the entire manned spaceflight budget is being shifted to pre school day care. After five years there won't be anyone to bring back but the "after five year plan" just got eliminated too.
Even the Chinese have a manned spaceflight plan. |
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I reported (to the disbelief of some) that NASA's budget had been cut (eliminated) by Obama to end manned space flight for the next five years. There was a program in the works after the five year lull called Orion to go to the moon. Today Obama canceled that program also leaving the US with no manned space program for the foreseeable future. There is a temporary plan to rent some rides with the Russians for a while to finish up a few experiements on the space station. I JUST read some things about the Orion program recently...this is so disappointing! |
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane.
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane. No, they canceled the Orion plan. They did not delay it. We have nothing in the future plans and many of the people who would make the future plans are about to be laid off. |
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane. No, they canceled the Orion plan. They did not delay it. We have nothing in the future plans and many of the people who would make the future plans are about to be laid off. The Constellation program isn't dead, unless they can't find an alternative to the Ares1 rocket. Congress passed a bill last year forbidding NASA from canceling Constellation unless Congress approved it. They won't approve it since they have sunk quite a bit of money into it. Obama can send a budget with less money than needed, but I doubt he will be successful in killing off the project. I've heard NASA has brought in Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Pratt and Whitney to develop a more reliable rocket than Ares1.. There is even talk of using a variation of the shuttles main engines and fuel tanks as a short term fix.. |
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane. No, they canceled the Orion plan. They did not delay it. We have nothing in the future plans and many of the people who would make the future plans are about to be laid off. The Constellation program isn't dead, unless they can't find an alternative to the Ares1 rocket. Congress passed a bill last year forbidding NASA from canceling Constellation unless Congress approved it. They won't approve it since they have sunk quite a bit of money into it. Obama can send a budget with less money than needed, but I doubt he will be successful in killing off the project. I've heard NASA has brought in Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Pratt and Whitney to develop a more reliable rocket than Ares1.. There is even talk of using a variation of the shuttles main engines and fuel tanks as a short term fix.. No, the Constellation Project is being removed. What remaining trips (after the space shuttle is retired this year) are taken will be on Russian hardware which has already been negotiated. Begin Quote: HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Years ago, it sounded like science fiction - a grand vision to create bases on the moon to launch longer missions into space. Now, just days away from the announcement of a new government budget, those dreams of space exploration may be even farther away. The president is expected to submit his budget to congress next week and we're getting an early idea of what's in store for NASA. The news is not what the NASA community was hoping for. This is just a proposal that the president would float in his budget. Because it is not a done deal, NASA is not issuing any official statements as to what it might mean. Up and down a road aptly named NASA parkway, it is evident one place after another what NASA and the Johnson Space Center mean to the community here. "NASA is an inspiration to the kids. Having that go away is a bigger deal than anything," said former NASA employee Maragret Savoy. Resident Ken Flotten said, "Probably gonna be layoffs and with the economy as bad as it is now, I'd hate to see it get any worse." According to published reports, if the president has his way the constellation program and a planned trip back to the moon are over. The agency's mission would focus more on climate research and extending the life of the International Space Station to 2020. U.S. Congressman Pete Olsen, whose district includes JSC, said Wednesday, "I strongly urge the President to reconsider any attempt to reduce the role of human space flight at NASA. But Congress also has an important role in the decision making process and I will be working steadfastly with my colleagues to ensure that this short-sighted proposal is not the final answer on the future of NASA." Another resident, Annette Porfirio, said, "There are a lot people in our area who depend heavily on the NASA program, both contractors and NASA employees, and I think that particular program would impact quite a few people." Governor Rick Perry was in Houston Wednesday and we asked him his thoughts about massive cutbacks and an indefinite end to NASA-run human space flight. "I'm not gonna say NASA needs to be a sacred cow and hands off, but I could probably find a lot of earmarks where billions of dollars were spent in special interest that didn't do a cotton picking thing to help Texas' economy," Gov. Perry said. Perry's opponent in the GOP gubernatorial primary, U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, released a statement saying in part, "I am very concerned by reports NASA's human space flight programs might become even more severely constrained. I would strongly oppose any further cuts to human space flight funding that would make the United States dependent on foreign nations for manned space access." We talked with people who work at NASA both at JSC and in Florida, and the thought is the end of the constellation program would not impact JSC. The primary impact here would be in training astronauts for future manned missions to the moon and mars and other places. Regardless, the impact would be felt in the local economy. (Copyright ©2010 KTRK-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.) End Quote: Congress may save it but Obama's current plan is to kill US manned space flight. |
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Although I sometimes doubt the impact writing Congressmen has in this day and age, I tend to believe it's about the only voice we have as citizens.
Politicians need to know what their constituents want. Whether or not they act on our desires, regardless of the end result, can be a determining factor in re-elections & so I tend to still lean toward the optimistic viewpoint that they DO want to hear from us. If the idea of this program ending bothers anyone, I'd suggest a letter or email (they all receive email these days, so there really isn't an excuse for not speaking up.) Here's the contact info for the Senate- http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm And for the House- http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml |
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane. No, they canceled the Orion plan. They did not delay it. We have nothing in the future plans and many of the people who would make the future plans are about to be laid off. The Constellation program isn't dead, unless they can't find an alternative to the Ares1 rocket. Congress passed a bill last year forbidding NASA from canceling Constellation unless Congress approved it. They won't approve it since they have sunk quite a bit of money into it. Obama can send a budget with less money than needed, but I doubt he will be successful in killing off the project. I've heard NASA has brought in Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Pratt and Whitney to develop a more reliable rocket than Ares1.. There is even talk of using a variation of the shuttles main engines and fuel tanks as a short term fix.. No, the Constellation Project is being removed. What remaining trips (after the space shuttle is retired this year) are taken will be on Russian hardware which has already been negotiated. Begin Quote: HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Years ago, it sounded like science fiction - a grand vision to create bases on the moon to launch longer missions into space. Now, just days away from the announcement of a new government budget, those dreams of space exploration may be even farther away. The president is expected to submit his budget to congress next week and we're getting an early idea of what's in store for NASA. The news is not what the NASA community was hoping for. This is just a proposal that the president would float in his budget. Because it is not a done deal, NASA is not issuing any official statements as to what it might mean. Up and down a road aptly named NASA parkway, it is evident one place after another what NASA and the Johnson Space Center mean to the community here. "NASA is an inspiration to the kids. Having that go away is a bigger deal than anything," said former NASA employee Maragret Savoy. Resident Ken Flotten said, "Probably gonna be layoffs and with the economy as bad as it is now, I'd hate to see it get any worse." According to published reports, if the president has his way the constellation program and a planned trip back to the moon are over. The agency's mission would focus more on climate research and extending the life of the International Space Station to 2020. U.S. Congressman Pete Olsen, whose district includes JSC, said Wednesday, "I strongly urge the President to reconsider any attempt to reduce the role of human space flight at NASA. But Congress also has an important role in the decision making process and I will be working steadfastly with my colleagues to ensure that this short-sighted proposal is not the final answer on the future of NASA." Another resident, Annette Porfirio, said, "There are a lot people in our area who depend heavily on the NASA program, both contractors and NASA employees, and I think that particular program would impact quite a few people." Governor Rick Perry was in Houston Wednesday and we asked him his thoughts about massive cutbacks and an indefinite end to NASA-run human space flight. "I'm not gonna say NASA needs to be a sacred cow and hands off, but I could probably find a lot of earmarks where billions of dollars were spent in special interest that didn't do a cotton picking thing to help Texas' economy," Gov. Perry said. Perry's opponent in the GOP gubernatorial primary, U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, released a statement saying in part, "I am very concerned by reports NASA's human space flight programs might become even more severely constrained. I would strongly oppose any further cuts to human space flight funding that would make the United States dependent on foreign nations for manned space access." We talked with people who work at NASA both at JSC and in Florida, and the thought is the end of the constellation program would not impact JSC. The primary impact here would be in training astronauts for future manned missions to the moon and mars and other places. Regardless, the impact would be felt in the local economy. (Copyright ©2010 KTRK-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.) End Quote: Congress may save it but Obama's current plan is to kill US manned space flight. H.R.3288..Richard Shelby and Bill Nelson added an amendment that make ending the program impossible without congressional approval.. |
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane. No, they canceled the Orion plan. They did not delay it. We have nothing in the future plans and many of the people who would make the future plans are about to be laid off. The Constellation program isn't dead, unless they can't find an alternative to the Ares1 rocket. Congress passed a bill last year forbidding NASA from canceling Constellation unless Congress approved it. They won't approve it since they have sunk quite a bit of money into it. Obama can send a budget with less money than needed, but I doubt he will be successful in killing off the project. I've heard NASA has brought in Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Pratt and Whitney to develop a more reliable rocket than Ares1.. There is even talk of using a variation of the shuttles main engines and fuel tanks as a short term fix.. No, the Constellation Project is being removed. What remaining trips (after the space shuttle is retired this year) are taken will be on Russian hardware which has already been negotiated. Begin Quote: HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Years ago, it sounded like science fiction - a grand vision to create bases on the moon to launch longer missions into space. Now, just days away from the announcement of a new government budget, those dreams of space exploration may be even farther away. The president is expected to submit his budget to congress next week and we're getting an early idea of what's in store for NASA. The news is not what the NASA community was hoping for. This is just a proposal that the president would float in his budget. Because it is not a done deal, NASA is not issuing any official statements as to what it might mean. Up and down a road aptly named NASA parkway, it is evident one place after another what NASA and the Johnson Space Center mean to the community here. "NASA is an inspiration to the kids. Having that go away is a bigger deal than anything," said former NASA employee Maragret Savoy. Resident Ken Flotten said, "Probably gonna be layoffs and with the economy as bad as it is now, I'd hate to see it get any worse." According to published reports, if the president has his way the constellation program and a planned trip back to the moon are over. The agency's mission would focus more on climate research and extending the life of the International Space Station to 2020. U.S. Congressman Pete Olsen, whose district includes JSC, said Wednesday, "I strongly urge the President to reconsider any attempt to reduce the role of human space flight at NASA. But Congress also has an important role in the decision making process and I will be working steadfastly with my colleagues to ensure that this short-sighted proposal is not the final answer on the future of NASA." Another resident, Annette Porfirio, said, "There are a lot people in our area who depend heavily on the NASA program, both contractors and NASA employees, and I think that particular program would impact quite a few people." Governor Rick Perry was in Houston Wednesday and we asked him his thoughts about massive cutbacks and an indefinite end to NASA-run human space flight. "I'm not gonna say NASA needs to be a sacred cow and hands off, but I could probably find a lot of earmarks where billions of dollars were spent in special interest that didn't do a cotton picking thing to help Texas' economy," Gov. Perry said. Perry's opponent in the GOP gubernatorial primary, U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, released a statement saying in part, "I am very concerned by reports NASA's human space flight programs might become even more severely constrained. I would strongly oppose any further cuts to human space flight funding that would make the United States dependent on foreign nations for manned space access." We talked with people who work at NASA both at JSC and in Florida, and the thought is the end of the constellation program would not impact JSC. The primary impact here would be in training astronauts for future manned missions to the moon and mars and other places. Regardless, the impact would be felt in the local economy. (Copyright ©2010 KTRK-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.) End Quote: Congress may save it but Obama's current plan is to kill US manned space flight. H.R.3288..Richard Shelby and Bill Nelson added an amendment that make ending the program impossible without congressional approval.. The program cannot survive with zero funding. Many bills on the books have been killed by removing funding and many programs that have been funded have been killed by refusal of the president to spend the money. |
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The program cannot survive with zero funding. Many bills on the books have been killed by removing funding and many programs that have been funded have been killed by refusal of the president to spend the money. H.R.3288..Richard Shelby and Bill Nelson added an amendment that make ending the program impossible without congressional approval.. Even if funding continued (which it appears it will not)-how will they know to approve or disapprove if people don't speak up? |
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Russia has just won the space program then.
Is there anything to look forward in USA beside a war with Iran? |
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Manned space flight will continue. They just called off the moon shot for a while and want to encourage private space programs al la Virgins space plane. No, they canceled the Orion plan. They did not delay it. We have nothing in the future plans and many of the people who would make the future plans are about to be laid off. The Constellation program isn't dead, unless they can't find an alternative to the Ares1 rocket. Congress passed a bill last year forbidding NASA from canceling Constellation unless Congress approved it. They won't approve it since they have sunk quite a bit of money into it. Obama can send a budget with less money than needed, but I doubt he will be successful in killing off the project. I've heard NASA has brought in Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Pratt and Whitney to develop a more reliable rocket than Ares1.. There is even talk of using a variation of the shuttles main engines and fuel tanks as a short term fix.. No, the Constellation Project is being removed. What remaining trips (after the space shuttle is retired this year) are taken will be on Russian hardware which has already been negotiated. Begin Quote: HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Years ago, it sounded like science fiction - a grand vision to create bases on the moon to launch longer missions into space. Now, just days away from the announcement of a new government budget, those dreams of space exploration may be even farther away. The president is expected to submit his budget to congress next week and we're getting an early idea of what's in store for NASA. The news is not what the NASA community was hoping for. This is just a proposal that the president would float in his budget. Because it is not a done deal, NASA is not issuing any official statements as to what it might mean. Up and down a road aptly named NASA parkway, it is evident one place after another what NASA and the Johnson Space Center mean to the community here. "NASA is an inspiration to the kids. Having that go away is a bigger deal than anything," said former NASA employee Maragret Savoy. Resident Ken Flotten said, "Probably gonna be layoffs and with the economy as bad as it is now, I'd hate to see it get any worse." According to published reports, if the president has his way the constellation program and a planned trip back to the moon are over. The agency's mission would focus more on climate research and extending the life of the International Space Station to 2020. U.S. Congressman Pete Olsen, whose district includes JSC, said Wednesday, "I strongly urge the President to reconsider any attempt to reduce the role of human space flight at NASA. But Congress also has an important role in the decision making process and I will be working steadfastly with my colleagues to ensure that this short-sighted proposal is not the final answer on the future of NASA." Another resident, Annette Porfirio, said, "There are a lot people in our area who depend heavily on the NASA program, both contractors and NASA employees, and I think that particular program would impact quite a few people." Governor Rick Perry was in Houston Wednesday and we asked him his thoughts about massive cutbacks and an indefinite end to NASA-run human space flight. "I'm not gonna say NASA needs to be a sacred cow and hands off, but I could probably find a lot of earmarks where billions of dollars were spent in special interest that didn't do a cotton picking thing to help Texas' economy," Gov. Perry said. Perry's opponent in the GOP gubernatorial primary, U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, released a statement saying in part, "I am very concerned by reports NASA's human space flight programs might become even more severely constrained. I would strongly oppose any further cuts to human space flight funding that would make the United States dependent on foreign nations for manned space access." We talked with people who work at NASA both at JSC and in Florida, and the thought is the end of the constellation program would not impact JSC. The primary impact here would be in training astronauts for future manned missions to the moon and mars and other places. Regardless, the impact would be felt in the local economy. (Copyright ©2010 KTRK-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.) End Quote: Congress may save it but Obama's current plan is to kill US manned space flight. H.R.3288..Richard Shelby and Bill Nelson added an amendment that make ending the program impossible without congressional approval.. The program cannot survive with zero funding. Many bills on the books have been killed by removing funding and many programs that have been funded have been killed by refusal of the president to spend the money. Im trying to find out what has to happen within congress to end or continue the program. If there is no money then obviously It's finished. If there is a way to save it, the people with the most to lose will find a way.. |
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To end NASA manned space flight all congress has to do is approve Obama's budget.
To prevent the end of same, congress has to ignore the provisions in Obama's budget and fund the program. Obama can still kill the program by simply refusing to spend the money. It has happened before. Tonight, on NBC news, it was discussed that congress might overrule Obama simply because of the thousands of jobs which would be lost in Florida which would probably insure that Florida would go Republican in future elections. NBC did not discuss Texas, who would lose even more jobs because (IMHO) the state probably will not be Democrat led anytime soon. |
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Russia has already planned a manned mission to Mars, while USA is axing all its space programs.
Russia Hopes To Fly Humans To Mars With Nuclear Spaceship MOSCOW — Russia should build a new nuclear-powered spaceship for prospective manned missions to Mars and other planets, the nation's space chief said Thursday. Anatoly Perminov first proposed building the ship at a government meeting Wednesday but didn't explain its purpose. President Dmitry Medvedev backed the project and urged the government to find the money. In remarks posted Thursday on his agency's Web site, Perminov said the nuclear spaceship should be used for human flights to Mars and other planets. He said the project is challenging technologically, but could capitalize on the Soviet and Russian experience in the field. Perminov said the preliminary design could be ready by 2012, and then it would take nine more years and cost 17 billion rubles (about $600 million, or euro400 million) to build the ship. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/29/russia-hopes-to-fly-human_n_338297.html India plans first manned space flight in 2016 NEW DELHI (AP) — India's space agency is planning the nation's first manned space flight for 2016, if it gets government approval of the project budget, an official said Thursday. The Indian Space Research Organization has sought 120 billion rupees ($2.6 billion) to put two astronauts in space for a week, spokesman S. Satish told The Associated Press. The government has already provided a pre-project fund of about four billion rupees ($87 million) allowing the agency to do some initial research on the space flight, he said, adding that ISRO is "hopeful" of getting the entire project approved soon so it can start making full-scale preparations. http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100201/GJLIFESTYLES/100129528/-1/FOSLIFESTYLES China space program shoots for moon October's launch of the experimental Ares 1-X heavy lift rocket, while flawless, may well mark the end rather than the beginning of America's next-generation Constellation manned-space program. The space shuttle is scheduled for retirement this year and until Constellation gets off the ground, future American astronauts will rely on Russians - or Chinese - to get into orbit - if they want to get there at all. America's multitrillion-dollar deficits over the next 10 years are likely to dissuade the Obama administration from budgeting for Constellation until well after Mr. Obama leaves office, if then. The Pentagon is clearly alarmed by the prospect. The chief of U.S. Strategic Command, Gen. Kevin Chilton, told reporters Nov. 3, "With regard to China's [space] capabilities, I think anyone who's familiar with this business ... would have to be absolutely amazed at the advancement that China has made in such a short period of time, whether that be in their unmanned program or the manned program." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/08/china-eyes-high-ground/?feat=home_headlines |
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Russia has already planned a manned mission to Mars, while USA is axing all its space programs. Russia Hopes To Fly Humans To Mars With Nuclear Spaceship MOSCOW — Russia should build a new nuclear-powered spaceship for prospective manned missions to Mars and other planets, the nation's space chief said Thursday. Anatoly Perminov first proposed building the ship at a government meeting Wednesday but didn't explain its purpose. President Dmitry Medvedev backed the project and urged the government to find the money. In remarks posted Thursday on his agency's Web site, Perminov said the nuclear spaceship should be used for human flights to Mars and other planets. He said the project is challenging technologically, but could capitalize on the Soviet and Russian experience in the field. Perminov said the preliminary design could be ready by 2012, and then it would take nine more years and cost 17 billion rubles (about $600 million, or euro400 million) to build the ship. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/29/russia-hopes-to-fly-human_n_338297.html India plans first manned space flight in 2016 NEW DELHI (AP) — India's space agency is planning the nation's first manned space flight for 2016, if it gets government approval of the project budget, an official said Thursday. The Indian Space Research Organization has sought 120 billion rupees ($2.6 billion) to put two astronauts in space for a week, spokesman S. Satish told The Associated Press. The government has already provided a pre-project fund of about four billion rupees ($87 million) allowing the agency to do some initial research on the space flight, he said, adding that ISRO is "hopeful" of getting the entire project approved soon so it can start making full-scale preparations. http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100201/GJLIFESTYLES/100129528/-1/FOSLIFESTYLES China space program shoots for moon October's launch of the experimental Ares 1-X heavy lift rocket, while flawless, may well mark the end rather than the beginning of America's next-generation Constellation manned-space program. The space shuttle is scheduled for retirement this year and until Constellation gets off the ground, future American astronauts will rely on Russians - or Chinese - to get into orbit - if they want to get there at all. America's multitrillion-dollar deficits over the next 10 years are likely to dissuade the Obama administration from budgeting for Constellation until well after Mr. Obama leaves office, if then. The Pentagon is clearly alarmed by the prospect. The chief of U.S. Strategic Command, Gen. Kevin Chilton, told reporters Nov. 3, "With regard to China's [space] capabilities, I think anyone who's familiar with this business ... would have to be absolutely amazed at the advancement that China has made in such a short period of time, whether that be in their unmanned program or the manned program." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/08/china-eyes-high-ground/?feat=home_headlines Good Post. The technology for an atomic rocket has been with us since the fifties. Some plans were made by NASA decades ago but were shelved because congress thought the risk of a nuclear reactor crashing into the population in case of an initial launch failure was too great. Russia commonly launched small reactors to provide long term power to satellites. Some estimates are that China could surpass the US in space technology in ten years. China got, at no cost, most of the current US technology by copying electronics, materials, and software sent to China for the manufacturer of modern industrial goods. Cessna is now making it's new airplane in China, for example. Many of China's engineers were trained at US universities. Motivations play a large part and China appears to be far more aggressive in space technology that Russia. The bottom line is that China is willing to out spend everyone else in the race. Costs are so low in China that they can literally gets several times as much technology for their money due to the tiny cost of labor and the elimination of the profit motive by the Chinese government owning the space technology. In an effort to avoid congress overruling him on the space program, Obama's budget claims the Manned Space Program funds are being "shifted" to provide preschool day care. This event places a vote for manned space into a "vote against preschool day care", when in reality, the two are unrelated. |
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This short video shows Obama's speech to NASA in Florda and what he "promised".
It is an amazing contrast to what he is doing. |
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Oops. It might help if I pasted the Obama Space links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzzbrjbqVRQ&NR=1 and from another direction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trzLCmmRfDM&feature=related |
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I reported (to the disbelief of some) that NASA's budget had been cut (eliminated) by Obama to end manned space flight for the next five years. There was a program in the works after the five year lull called Orion to go to the moon. Today Obama canceled that program also leaving the US with no manned space program for the foreseeable future. There is a temporary plan to rent some rides with the Russians for a while to finish up a few experiements on the space station. The moon mission has been cancelled, but the funds will be used to further rocket research/work. Also, space missions will be shifted to a privatized platform. |
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