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Topic: Iran Trains Taliban to Use Roadside Bombs
Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Sat 03/20/10 10:48 PM
Taliban commanders have revealed that hundreds of insurgents have been trained in Iran to kill NATO forces in Afghanistan. The commanders said they had learned to mount complex ambushes and lay improvised explosive devices (IEDs). The accounts of two commanders, in interviews with The Sunday Times, are the first descriptions of training of the Taliban in Iran. According to the commanders, Iranian officials paid them to attend three-month courses during the winter. They were smuggled across the border to the city of Zahidan, in southeast Iran, an hour’s drive from training camps in the desert. Instructors in plain clothes provided daily exercises in live firing. The first month was devoted largely to teaching the Taliban how to attack convoys and how to escape before NATO forces could respond. During their second month they were shown how to plant IEDs in sequence so that the rescuers of soldiers wounded in one blast would be caught in further explosions. Full Story............. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/03/21/iran-trains-taliban-use-roadside-bombs/ Hmmmmmmmm, I seem to remember President Bush and top military and NATO commanders saying this a few years back.......... To bad we don't have a President right now who has the guts and integrity to handle this.

hellkitten54 Joined Sun 01/06/08 Posts: 11707	Sat 03/20/10 11:15 PM
Ok, so what do you think should happen here?

JustAGuy2112 Joined Sun 12/16/07 Posts: 18033	Sat 03/20/10 11:17 PM
I'm thinking he figures turning Iran into a sheet of glass wouldn't be a bad idea.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 03/21/10 01:55 AM
A few years ago there were bomb shipments intercepted which seemed to show Iran supplying Iraq insurgents: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran? Intelligence Officials Say Weapons Responsible for Increasing U.S. Deaths in Iraq http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1

mrgary48 Joined Thu 03/18/10 Posts: 37	Sun 03/21/10 08:09 AM
USA should minds its own business. if iran wants nukes. they should be able to have them . is real has nukes. so why not Iran.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/21/10 08:10 AM
A few years ago there were bomb shipments intercepted which seemed to show Iran supplying Iraq insurgents: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran? Intelligence Officials Say Weapons Responsible for Increasing U.S. Deaths in Iraq http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1 From what I can recall this evidnece didnt stand the light of day and no firm link ever realy existed.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 03/21/10 08:22 AM
A few years ago there were bomb shipments intercepted which seemed to show Iran supplying Iraq insurgents: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran? Intelligence Officials Say Weapons Responsible for Increasing U.S. Deaths in Iraq http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1 From what I can recall this evidnece didnt stand the light of day and no firm link ever realy existed. On the contrary - despite this being a somewhat controversial problem, the U.S. military presented hard evidence in the form of the weapons themselves which are known to be produced in Iran. Here is a link to the NY Times article about it. Although the full extent of their meddling is unknown, Iran is undoubtedly involved as they are in Hezbollah in Syria and Afghanistan. This, combined with their support of killing innocent civilians as a justifiable means of political protest, their Holocaust denial, threats of genocide and dishonesty about their nuclear programs is plenty of potent reason why they should and will face irresistible resistance of their nuclear program. Such rogue countries especially theocracies must not have access to nuclear arms. Here is the NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-weapons.html Here is a quote from it: BAGHDAD, Feb. 11 — After weeks of internal debate, senior United States military officials today literally put on the table their first public evidence for the contentious assertion that Iran is supplying Shiite extremist groups in Iraq with deadly weaponry, including a roadside bomb that pierces American armor. Those officials spread out on two small tables during a news briefing an array of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades with visible serial numbers that the officials said link the weapons directly to Iranian arms factories. But by far the most potent item on display was a squat canister designed to explode and spit out a molten ball of copper that cuts through armor. That bomb is perhaps the most feared weapon faced by American and Iraqi troops here...."

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/21/10 10:34 AM
A few years ago there were bomb shipments intercepted which seemed to show Iran supplying Iraq insurgents: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran? Intelligence Officials Say Weapons Responsible for Increasing U.S. Deaths in Iraq http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1 From what I can recall this evidnece didnt stand the light of day and no firm link ever realy existed. On the contrary - despite this being a somewhat controversial problem, the U.S. military presented hard evidence in the form of the weapons themselves which are known to be produced in Iran. Here is a link to the NY Times article about it. Although the full extent of their meddling is unknown, Iran is undoubtedly involved as they are in Hezbollah in Syria and Afghanistan. This, combined with their support of killing innocent civilians as a justifiable means of political protest, their Holocaust denial, threats of genocide and dishonesty about their nuclear programs is plenty of potent reason why they should and will face irresistible resistance of their nuclear program. Such rogue countries especially theocracies must not have access to nuclear arms. Here is the NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-weapons.html Here is a quote from it: BAGHDAD, Feb. 11 — After weeks of internal debate, senior United States military officials today literally put on the table their first public evidence for the contentious assertion that Iran is supplying Shiite extremist groups in Iraq with deadly weaponry, including a roadside bomb that pierces American armor. Those officials spread out on two small tables during a news briefing an array of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades with visible serial numbers that the officials said link the weapons directly to Iranian arms factories. But by far the most potent item on display was a squat canister designed to explode and spit out a molten ball of copper that cuts through armor. That bomb is perhaps the most feared weapon faced by American and Iraqi troops here...." The Guardian 21 February, 2007 Claims against Iran resemble pre-Iraq war hysteria Susan Webb The danger of a US attack on Iran appears to be mounting following a series of increasingly aggressive Bush administration actions. On February 11, US military officials staged a tightly controlled news briefing in Baghdad, presenting purported evidence that Iran is providing new weaponry targeting US troops in Iraq. The officials insisted on anonymity, barred cameras from the briefing room and provided no transcript of their statements. Without offering any direct evidence, an official said, "We assess that these activities are coming from senior levels of the Iranian government." British journalist Patrick Cockburn, writing in the UK Independent, called the allegations "bizarre." He and many other commentators noted that the US has been fighting a Sunni-based armed insurgency in Iraq that is "deeply hostile to Iran." According to Cockburn, about 1,190 US soldiers have been killed by improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Most of these devices are constructed from heavy explosives taken from the arsenals of the former regime, he said. The term the Bush administration is now using, explosive formed penetrators (EFPs), "may have been chosen to imply that a menacing new weapon has been developed." http://www.cpa.org.au/z-archive/g2007/1308iran.html

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 03/21/10 11:10 AM
OK. Not sure what you are trying to say here though. Surely you do not compare the well known internationally recognized breaches of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty by Iran with the CIA failures or Bushisms pre-Iraq. Iran is not Iraq and if the warnings about Iran's nuclear ambitions or their support of terrorism is similar to Iraq that does not mean that Iran is not trying to kill Americans or that Iran is not a serious threat to regional and global stability.

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Sun 03/21/10 11:18 AM Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sun 03/21/10 11:18 AM
Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That is why they aren't allowed to have nuclear weapons

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/21/10 11:20 AM
Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That is why they aren't allowed to have nuclear weapons So is the US and USSR and by the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty we were supposed to negoitiate our nuclear arsenals down to zero long ago in exchange for the non nuclear countries not to persue them.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/21/10 11:22 AM Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 03/21/10 11:23 AM
OK. Not sure what you are trying to say here though. Surely you do not compare the well known internationally recognized breaches of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty by Iran with the CIA failures or Bushisms pre-Iraq. Iran is not Iraq and if the warnings about Iran's nuclear ambitions or their support of terrorism is similar to Iraq that does not mean that Iran is not trying to kill Americans or that Iran is not a serious threat to regional and global stability. If you read the article it was pretty clear. The evidnece was a table full of home made bombs and an assortment of other ordinance and no real link to Iran except for the fact they said it was. This type of evidence would never be submited in a court of laws and is just an example of propoganda. What a hoot people actualy buy into this stuff. I blame Fox news myself for dumbing down america.

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Sun 03/21/10 11:27 AM
Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That is why they aren't allowed to have nuclear weapons So is the US and USSR and by the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty we were supposed to negoitiate our nuclear arsenals down to zero long ago in exchange for the non nuclear countries not to persue them. and they/we are still working towards that goal. that is why Obama and Medvedev are currently negotiating the next phase of the START Treaty

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/21/10 01:02 PM
Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That is why they aren't allowed to have nuclear weapons So is the US and USSR and by the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty we were supposed to negoitiate our nuclear arsenals down to zero long ago in exchange for the non nuclear countries not to persue them. and they/we are still working towards that goal. that is why Obama and Medvedev are currently negotiating the next phase of the START Treaty they are just dragging their feet delibberatly and have for the last forty years. Just another example of american hypocracy. There is alot of cash to be made by selling nuclear missles and building nuclear submarines etc etc. They wont let that go just because someone signed some treaty forty years ago. But when it serves an agenda the old nuclear non proliferation treaty has the dust blown off it and we demand they abide by its terms. I for one hope they get the bomb because it will be one less war we have to fight, after all america only attacks weak defensless countries

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 03/21/10 01:49 PM
Let's go over this again: Iran's obscene support for killing innocent civilians as for political protest, Holocaust denial, threats of genocide, dishonesty about their nuclear programs... theocratic fanatical religious intolerance.... does not mix with nuclear weapons.

mrgary48 Joined Thu 03/18/10 Posts: 37	Sun 03/21/10 03:24 PM
well yes he is nuts. but that still don't give America the right to tell him he cant have nukes. but i think leaders of isreal. is nuts. besides a murder of teen age kids.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Sun 03/21/10 03:27 PM
Ok, so what do you think should happen here? We return to treating Iran like a sponsor of terrorism.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Sun 03/21/10 03:28 PM
USA should minds its own business. if iran wants nukes. they should be able to have them . is real has nukes. so why not Iran. Wow, spoken like someone with no education...... You realize what would happen if Iran gor nukes right? First Israel would be wiped of the map, next they would be coming for US!

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 03/21/10 05:20 PM Edited by s1owhand on Sun 03/21/10 05:30 PM
OK. Not sure what you are trying to say here though. Surely you do not compare the well known internationally recognized breaches of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty by Iran with the CIA failures or Bushisms pre-Iraq. Iran is not Iraq and if the warnings about Iran's nuclear ambitions or their support of terrorism is similar to Iraq that does not mean that Iran is not trying to kill Americans or that Iran is not a serious threat to regional and global stability. If you read the article it was pretty clear. The evidnece was a table full of home made bombs and an assortment of other ordinance and no real link to Iran except for the fact they said it was. This type of evidence would never be submited in a court of laws and is just an example of propoganda. What a hoot people actualy buy into this stuff. I blame Fox news myself for dumbing down america. Pretty clear. I read both articles. In the New York Times article, they describe how and why the confiscated bombs were directly linked to Iran. In the Guardian there's no evidence to dispute this - they only said that the media coverage of Iranian incitement reminded them of similar complaints about Saddam Hussein before the Iraq war. So, the fact remains that Iran has been helping foment violence and supplying IEDs to target our troops. And yes, Ahmadinejad can be compared to Saddam in some ways. They publicly disclosed the evidence. They showed everybody the bombs. They explained the markings which show the bombs came from Iran. It should surprise no one that Iran would supply arms to sympathetic parties in Iraq to use against the Americans and other Allied forces.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/21/10 06:04 PM Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 03/21/10 06:04 PM
OK. Not sure what you are trying to say here though. Surely you do not compare the well known internationally recognized breaches of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty by Iran with the CIA failures or Bushisms pre-Iraq. Iran is not Iraq and if the warnings about Iran's nuclear ambitions or their support of terrorism is similar to Iraq that does not mean that Iran is not trying to kill Americans or that Iran is not a serious threat to regional and global stability. If you read the article it was pretty clear. The evidnece was a table full of home made bombs and an assortment of other ordinance and no real link to Iran except for the fact they said it was. This type of evidence would never be submited in a court of laws and is just an example of propoganda. What a hoot people actualy buy into this stuff. I blame Fox news myself for dumbing down america. Pretty clear. I read both articles. In the New York Times article, they describe how and why the confiscated bombs were directly linked to Iran. In the Guardian there's no evidence to dispute this - they only said that the media coverage of Iranian incitement reminded them of similar complaints about Saddam Hussein before the Iraq war. So, the fact remains that Iran has been helping foment violence and supplying IEDs to target our troops. And yes, Ahmadinejad can be compared to Saddam in some ways. They publicly disclosed the evidence. They showed everybody the bombs. They explained the markings which show the bombs came from Iran. It should surprise no one that Iran would supply arms to sympathetic parties in Iraq to use against the Americans and other Allied forces. Did they ever present the so called evidence or just say they had it? sounds alot like the wmds iraq story