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Topic: People will come up with anything to deny the lord
CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:07 AM
Stumbled across an antichrist website and thought i'd check it out and see what they had to say. People that try to prove their are inconsistencies and or conflicts are taking verses out of context and not getting the true meening. This is an example of what this particular site had to say about it's inconsistencies.

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.

GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation

If you read GE 6:5-6 you will see that God was not pleased with his creations actions. And you're not gonna tell me your child never upsets you and therefor doesn't please you. Parents aren't pleased with their children 24/7. So as you can see it's not that God was unpleased by his creation in general, just unpleased in the actions his creations were taking.

Just thought it was funny how far they reach to try to prove their point. I find it astonishing.

Dan99's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:13 AM
People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:15 AM

Stumbled across an antichrist website and thought i'd check it out and see what they had to say. People that try to prove their are inconsistencies and or conflicts are taking verses out of context and not getting the true meening. This is an example of what this particular site had to say about it's inconsistencies.

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.

GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation

If you read GE 6:5-6 you will see that God was not pleased with his creations actions. And you're not gonna tell me your child never upsets you and therefor doesn't please you. Parents aren't pleased with their children 24/7. So as you can see it's not that God was unpleased by his creation in general, just unpleased in the actions his creations were taking.

Just thought it was funny how far they reach to try to prove their point. I find it astonishing.




GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.

HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil

GE Never once said that as they try to claim Here's the verse for referance.
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die

GE is clearly just saying it is wrong to eat of the tree because God told them not to. Nothing more, nothing less.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:15 AM

People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?

Dan99's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:20 AM


People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?

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Tue 06/22/10 08:22 AM
All you are doing is picking and choosing what you belief in the bible. I've been in many of these "out of context" "debates" before, and the meaning doesn't change in any significant way.

Just as you can pick quotes that "proves" these people wrong, Anyone else can pick quotes that "prove" the others right.

But I prefer to live in the here and now, and not really worry about a collection of irrelevant and outdated myths.

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Tue 06/22/10 08:24 AM



People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:25 AM

All you are doing is picking and choosing what you belief in the bible. I've been in many of these "out of context" "debates" before, and the meaning doesn't change in any significant way.

Just as you can pick quotes that "proves" these people wrong, Anyone else can pick quotes that "prove" the others right.

But I prefer to live in the here and now, and not really worry about a collection of irrelevant and outdated myths.


God is here and now. God was here yesterday, is here today, and will be here tomarrow. God is the alpha and omega, the begining and the end.

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Tue 06/22/10 08:29 AM




People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.


How about i bend over and reveal that god is up my anus?



Of course it wouldnt actually reveal God, but then, neither do any attempts made by any believers, do they?

I know you will deny that statement, so just prove it by revealing god to me now, in whatever way you chose. Just make sure he is revealed ok? I dont want to be disappointed now.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:33 AM





People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.


How about i bend over and reveal that god is up my anus?



Of course it wouldnt actually reveal God, but then, neither do any attempts made by any believers, do they?

I know you will deny that statement, so just prove it by revealing god to me now, in whatever way you chose. Just make sure he is revealed ok? I dont want to be disappointed now.


People don't find God for one main reason. Think about kids playing hide'n go seek. Would the seeker find the hider if he didn't put forth the effort? Or would the seeker sit there and say well if this person wants to be found he will reveal himself to me. Nobody can prove God in anyway or disprove God. God is something we have to seek on our own.

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Tue 06/22/10 08:39 AM






People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.


How about i bend over and reveal that god is up my anus?



Of course it wouldnt actually reveal God, but then, neither do any attempts made by any believers, do they?

I know you will deny that statement, so just prove it by revealing god to me now, in whatever way you chose. Just make sure he is revealed ok? I dont want to be disappointed now.


People don't find God for one main reason. Think about kids playing hide'n go seek. Would the seeker find the hider if he didn't put forth the effort? Or would the seeker sit there and say well if this person wants to be found he will reveal himself to me. Nobody can prove God in anyway or disprove God. God is something we have to seek on our own.


So anyway.... how can you say that the disbelievers can be inconsistant, but the believers cannot be?



CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:41 AM


Stumbled across an antichrist website and thought i'd check it out and see what they had to say. People that try to prove their are inconsistencies and or conflicts are taking verses out of context and not getting the true meening. This is an example of what this particular site had to say about it's inconsistencies.

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.

GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation

If you read GE 6:5-6 you will see that God was not pleased with his creations actions. And you're not gonna tell me your child never upsets you and therefor doesn't please you. Parents aren't pleased with their children 24/7. So as you can see it's not that God was unpleased by his creation in general, just unpleased in the actions his creations were taking.

Just thought it was funny how far they reach to try to prove their point. I find it astonishing.




GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.

HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil

GE Never once said that as they try to claim Here's the verse for referance.
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die

GE is clearly just saying it is wrong to eat of the tree because God told them not to. Nothing more, nothing less.



17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die
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Also you have to keep in mind, dieing is not physically passing away. The ONLY way to die is to not receive the gift of heaven. If one receives the gift of heaven they shall have ever lasting life, they never die. Again just because our physical body "dies and or passes away" does not meen we "die".

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:43 AM







People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.


How about i bend over and reveal that god is up my anus?



Of course it wouldnt actually reveal God, but then, neither do any attempts made by any believers, do they?

I know you will deny that statement, so just prove it by revealing god to me now, in whatever way you chose. Just make sure he is revealed ok? I dont want to be disappointed now.


People don't find God for one main reason. Think about kids playing hide'n go seek. Would the seeker find the hider if he didn't put forth the effort? Or would the seeker sit there and say well if this person wants to be found he will reveal himself to me. Nobody can prove God in anyway or disprove God. God is something we have to seek on our own.


So anyway.... how can you say that the disbelievers can be inconsistant, but the believers cannot be?





Not stating that ALL unbelievers are inconsistent. Just showing how hard atheist people truely try to show the incompetence of the bible. They take verses out of context to fit to what they are claiming.

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Tue 06/22/10 08:49 AM

Not stating that ALL unbelievers are inconsistent. Just showing how hard atheist people truely try to show the incompetence of the bible. They take verses out of context to fit to what they are claiming.


And believers do the exact same thing. And from what I've seen, believers do it more deceitfully.

At this point I really have to ask what the point of this thread is, because it seems to me like an attempt to "legally" troll the atheists/agnostics by having this thread in the Gen Religion section..

Dan99's photo
Tue 06/22/10 08:49 AM








People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.


How about i bend over and reveal that god is up my anus?



Of course it wouldnt actually reveal God, but then, neither do any attempts made by any believers, do they?

I know you will deny that statement, so just prove it by revealing god to me now, in whatever way you chose. Just make sure he is revealed ok? I dont want to be disappointed now.


People don't find God for one main reason. Think about kids playing hide'n go seek. Would the seeker find the hider if he didn't put forth the effort? Or would the seeker sit there and say well if this person wants to be found he will reveal himself to me. Nobody can prove God in anyway or disprove God. God is something we have to seek on our own.


So anyway.... how can you say that the disbelievers can be inconsistant, but the believers cannot be?





Not stating that ALL unbelievers are inconsistent. Just showing how hard atheist people truely try to show the incompetence of the bible. They take verses out of context to fit to what they are claiming.


So i guess you are saying that athiests do this more than believers?

I would disagree. Strongly.


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 06/22/10 09:04 AM









People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


What idiotic thing could someone do to reveal God?



The number of idiotic things is possibly infinite. Are you saying there are none?


There are none that i know of, i would like for you to enlighten us if you wish.


How about i bend over and reveal that god is up my anus?



Of course it wouldnt actually reveal God, but then, neither do any attempts made by any believers, do they?

I know you will deny that statement, so just prove it by revealing god to me now, in whatever way you chose. Just make sure he is revealed ok? I dont want to be disappointed now.


People don't find God for one main reason. Think about kids playing hide'n go seek. Would the seeker find the hider if he didn't put forth the effort? Or would the seeker sit there and say well if this person wants to be found he will reveal himself to me. Nobody can prove God in anyway or disprove God. God is something we have to seek on our own.


So anyway.... how can you say that the disbelievers can be inconsistant, but the believers cannot be?





Not stating that ALL unbelievers are inconsistent. Just showing how hard atheist people truely try to show the incompetence of the bible. They take verses out of context to fit to what they are claiming.


So i guess you are saying that athiests do this more than believers?

I would disagree. Strongly.




No i'm not saying believers don't do this. Believers do this alot. What i was refering to is that doing this is the ONLY defence people have to deny the lord. And they continuously do it.

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Tue 06/22/10 09:10 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 06/22/10 09:11 AM
Another attempt with taking it out of context loosing it's meaning.
RO 14:21 It is good to refrain from drinking wine
JN 2:1-11 According to the author of John, Jesus' first miracle was turning water to wine
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The above is exactly how it's put on this site i'm refering to about denying the lord. Now look below and you'll nottice the verse they are refering to. And you'll nottice it talks about stumbleth/stumbling...... would insinuate being drunk. So therefor we can see the message from this passage is that it is wrong to get drunk. Not specifically wrong to drink wine in general.

21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak

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Tue 06/22/10 09:13 AM

All you are doing is picking and choosing what you belief in the bible. I've been in many of these "out of context" "debates" before, and the meaning doesn't change in any significant way.

Just as you can pick quotes that "proves" these people wrong, Anyone else can pick quotes that "prove" the others right.

But I prefer to live in the here and now, and not really worry about a collection of irrelevant and outdated myths.


BINGO ! bigsmile

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Tue 06/22/10 10:52 AM

People come up with anything to prove the lord as well. All you are proving is that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.


I can agree that people reach pretty far to prove a point, whether it be religious, political, non religious,,,etc,,,

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Tue 06/22/10 11:50 AM
check this out.. scripture interprets scripture.

Rev 13:18-14:1
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


NKJV


So we have here it is a number and the number of a man.

can we find a number of a man and what does his name mean?


Ezra 2:13
13 the people of Adonikam, six hundred and sixty-six
NKJV


Now we have the number of a man and his tribe.

Adonikam

OT:140

OT:140 <q*yn!d)a& 'Adoniyqam (ad-o-nee-kawm'); from OT:113 and OT:6965; lord of rising (i.e. high); Adonikam,
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


l-rd of rising it says.

So who rises in the scriptures. The Beast.

Rev 13:1-2

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
NKJV


Now what did John mean when he said he who has wisdom?

The only reference to the beast number is to a tribe that we know as a l-rd who rises.

I lknow u will not believe me but it is becaus u do not want to believe what is right in front of your eyes who you are worshipping..Shalom...Miles

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