Anyone ever read Dianetics by L.Ron Hubbard? Anyone here a
Scientologist?

I was a huge Sci Fi buff, and enjoyed reading the books of LR Hubbard.
Many, many years ago I read his book Dianetics.

I was quite enthralled. It seemed to bring together a lot of the more
Eastern religions into a Westernized version. Discussing Pantheism
with Abra, make me think of it again. I think it had a quite a bit of
that flavor to it.

When I first began hearing about the Church of Scientology I did not
relate the two. It would be many years before I understood they were
one in the same.

So has anyone here had any experience with this organisation? or want
to make a comment or discuss?

nope

Trust me U don't want to get involved with there org. I wrtie u latewr
with details... the Chef

I liked L. Ron Hubbard's view of clearing better than hypnotism which he
discussed in his book. I thought the idea of trust was easier with
clearing than hypnotism. Clearing allows the one going under control
while hypnotism is opposite because the hypnotherapist is in total
control. With clearing the one going under shares more with the therapy
and can understand the therapy while it is being administered.

Hey Chef - I'm not goin there, trust me on that one. I just remembered
how interesting the book was and wondered if anyone else found it so.

I never quite understood how the actual church evolved. I mean the book
seemed to offer something fairly stable, harmless. I remember thinking,
at the time, this would be interesting to explore with a group of
others. NOW, of course,I don't see the church the same way, but based
on the book alone, it could have been different.

Rainbow, I too thought that the clearing process seemed aesthetic.
More a trip into meditation for self realization. Thus providing a more
healthful body.

But it does not seem to be that at all, according to what I've read
about how the church proceeds with it.

>> Anyone ever read Dianetics by L.Ron Hubbard?

Yes. Its been over 20 years, so I don't remember much about the book.
I do remember getting from it some kind of meditative exercise, which
seemed to give me more energy (in the everyday, 'opposite of fatigue'
sense of the word) and a more positive attitude.

>> I'm not goin there, trust me on that one.

Not only that, Red but the condition that one's mind is at the time one
reads the book Dianetics. I mean if you read it like one might read a
normal book from cover to cover and be done with it might be different
if you actually study the book. Of course being an avid fan of science
fiction and fantasy books I did deem the book to be more than that. L.
Ron Hubbard wrote some great books besides just that book but one can
see that this work a different kind of book than his other genre. Arthur
C. Clarke wrote some good science fiction books but his Van Allen Belt
was taken seriously, thank heavens, or we wouldn't have satellites like
they are today. In the same measure Issac Asimov's, 'I Robot' from
whence robotics started to originate from. Those arthurs were scientists
in their own right which added to the validity of their findings.
Particularly interesting to me was the regression technique discussed in
the book where one lady was regressed to sucking her thumb like she did
when she was a baby. I also was interested in his view of blocking which
was discussed in the books. In hypnotism and dianetics the mind can put
up a defense to being invaded so I would want to only proceed with
caution with either and work with a trusted person. One would want to
know what one was getting into and thoroughly read the book.

Actually the clearing technique is a good topic in regards to
scientology when you apply it to the study of computer logic. Computer
logic in the terms of garbage in-garbage out. It has been years since I
read the book. I can remember the big hype over it and it being on the
number one best seller's list for a long time. But besides that it was a
most interesting book. I even invented this God I called Scientol from
it, lol. A computer generated God which dealt only in logic, lol. At one
time for me there was only logic and antilogic. I had at that time
regressed to a nonemotional state of being. I didn't error; I
malfunctioned, lol. I was studying theology and philosophy. I was very
technical in how I viewed everything and if it was not valid programming
then to me it was like a virus. If it didn't compute then I trashed it,
lol. Going through rehab and questioning everything I just about trashed
everything and started over from scratch. Like the clearing I did get a
moment of clarity. I took a honest appraisal and had to ask myself what
was I doing to myself. It was the beginning of a lot of honesty for me.

Hey I live in Clearwater....it's the Scientology capital of the world -
they've bought up all the property downtown and we always see those
little uniformed robots walking around....I get 20 points everytime I
think about running them over lol but I don't really think about it -
that's just mean.

As my understanding of this God, Scientol that I invented grew in my
mind who was based on a combination of Kung Fu and Spock I began to
understand that the unemotional state was true logic and that any kind
of deviation from logic was a sin. I tried my best to exorcise feelings
and emotions because they were demons that tried to undermine my logical
understanding of life. A truly sentient individual gains enlightment and
human emotions were the signs of a sick and twisted individual who was
still in the dark ages. I had risen beyond that and nirvana had become
my val halla. Eventually I ascended to this wonderful and peaceful state
of nonexistance. I became an absolute stone.

Rainbow, that's funny. Actually, I think there's something to your
theory. But since only sociopaths seem able to rise above their
emotions, I think the road to enlightenment is more that we attempt to
understand our emotions and deal with them logically, whenever possible.
That takes a lot of control and a lot of self analysis, and
unfortunately a lot of people just don't want to work at it. It just
seems easier to let the dam burst than to figure out why it is
overflowing.

oh oh oh!!!! rising above one's emotions and a lack of
conscience.....are for me VERY DIFFERENT.....sigh

had me scared for a second...i thought by your definition i was a
sociopath!!! lmao


i've been called worse...lol

Emotions are part chemical and part elemental, sometime's you learn to
walk with the wind and sometimes you walk against it.




LOL @ Bl8ant *Hic* I mean WITH.

Dated a lady involved with this for a while. Great lady, learned from
her to find more peace. Was a couple yrs after Gwen's death; needed the
peace. We just didn't fit & are still distant friends.

Redykeulous, It was then that we had this big talk about 'i' over 'e' or
intellect over emotions. It was a good thing I wasn't an alpha male but
an andrygous male because when the stone shattered I just about had a
nervous breakdown. I remembered I was on the front porch petting this
tabby cat rocking in a rocking chair. I wasn't an socialpath as much as
I was just antisocial. When the dam broke I was trying to astro project.
This lady who was beside me on the front porch thought I was about to
come out of my skin. She shook me and broke my concentration. Then
started a long recovery process of shrinks, group sessions, one on one
sessions and my feelings and emotions came back. I was like this freak
that became conscious for the first time. It was such a revelation
because all the time before that I just kind of lived in my head. It was
like I had been dormant before then. It is kind of hard to explain. It
was like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. Must sound funny.

The place was called Hope House where I discovered this spiritual
transition for me. I had been saved when I was ten years old and later I
found a difference awareness through the drug culture which seemed to be
the other extreme. But the spiritual experience was different because it
was middle. It was my first time ever to be at middle before. I really
liked middle because it allowed to find a different kind of enlightment.
I got to retain the high that I had encountered in the antisocial drug
culture and I got to retain the high I had encountered in the religious
experience. But for the first time in the spiritual experience I found a
path that helped me to be social. It was truly a different kind of
consciousness. It was so beautiful because I didn't have be above or
below anyone. It was like feeling a state of insignificanse and
significanse at the same time. I still had trouble dealing with normal
people but people of my own kind who had encountered the same effect I
had found a common ground and still today we can relate from similiar
experiences. It is a really wonderful way of life.

bl8ant, no one could do what you do, or accomplish what you have, and be
a sociopath. However, I would imagine that it would take a great deal
of fortitude and a strong will to overcome what emotions could put in
our way. I think it also takes an understanding of ones self, and a
continual self analysis to know how and when to deal with ones own
emotions. That was basically what I was getting at.

Rainbow you wrote:

""I was like this freak
that became conscious for the first time. It was such a revelation
because all the time before that I just kind of lived in my head. It was
like I had been dormant before then. It is kind of hard to explain. It
was like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. Must sound funny.""

It does not sound funny to me at all. I've been there. Lived in my
head for so long, lived to be what everyone wanted me to be for so long,
that I actually had many personalities. It took a long time to finally
overcome that. I still have all the personalities, they are just much
more fluent with each other now, and make me a whole person. In truth,
I have told many of my old and new friends that I was buried in a cocoon
and emerged as a butterfly.

Anyway, I did like the book and the part about clearing or ridding ones
self of the toxic. I just don't care for what it has developed into as
far as a 'religion' or cult if you will.

>> I just don't care for what it has developed into as
far as a 'religion' or cult if you will.

I'm glad I read it long before I met or even heard of the Scientology
people; it probably would have prejudiced me at least somewhat, though I
believe that it just doesn't make any sense to close one's mind to a
book, just because some other people did something weird with it.

Aw, that is wonderful that you made the transition then. By transition I
mean you became sentient in the fashion of not being dependant of what
others might think of you. You can relate then. Religion for me was this
social conditioning which made me antisocial because I had a unique way
of viewing things. I didn't fit in, in other words, because my view
didn't always fit in with what might be considered the established norm.
I tried my damnedest to please my father because he was an athiest and
he made fun of my religion. I tried to please my mother but she made fun
of my athiesm that I had learned of my father. I tried to please my wife
by joining her church. I tried to accept the white picket fence and the
little cottage of the marriage route. I had found self-awareness in the
drug culture which freed me to be myself but that brought antisocial
behavior. The counselor at Hope House helped me greatly when they
diagnosed my case. I found out that I was a people pleaser. But the
weirdest thing came out of it. I found my people pleasing wasn't
pleasing anyone not even me. I was always some one's son; someone's
husband; someone's father. I had so many labels and none of them really
defined who I was. I was then able to relate to others because in the
final analysis I found out that I was just human and I got to find this
hidden person who was just me. When the shrink told me that I had an
immature desire to be happy that really blew me away. Today when I
attend my spiritual meetings I can just say my name and I am
immediatedly accepted. Like the butterfly I am free of all the
conventions and I have a new set of moral values not dependent on
religion; social conditioning and I can buck the system but today
realize that I am part of the system. It really makes the nonconformist
in me happy. It really gives me wings.