In what may go down in history as the classic 'Mister Bill Moment', 'O' was told 'NO!' long and loud in Missouri last night. The popular vote ran THREE TO ONE AGAINST 'O's 'DeathCare' and Mandatory Insurance Purchase ... I can only wait patiently 'til other states follow Missouri's lead and say 'Hell no, we won't 'O' ... !' ... Good on ya, folks ...

Maybe NOW it'll start to dawn on the psychophants 'n psuckups that they're ridin' a dead horse ...

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_c847dc7c-564c-5c70-8d90-dfd25ae6de56.html

Prop C passes overwhelmingly

BY TONY MESSENGER • tmessenger@post-dispatch.com > 573-635-6178 | Posted: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:25 am

ST. LOUIS • Missouri voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a federal mandate to purchase health insurance, rebuking President Barack Obama's administration and giving Republicans their first political victory in a national campaign to overturn the controversial health care law passed by Congress in March.

"The citizens of the Show-Me State don't want Washington involved in their health care decisions," said Sen. Jane Cunningham, R-Chesterfield, one of the sponsors of the legislation that put Proposition C on the August ballot. She credited a grass-roots campaign involving Tea Party and patriot groups with building support for the anti-Washington proposition.

With most of the vote counted, Proposition C was winning by a ratio of nearly 3 to 1. The measure, which seeks to exempt Missouri from the insurance mandate in the new health care law, includes a provision that would change how insurance companies that go out of business in Missouri liquidate their assets.

"I've never seen anything like it," Cunningham said at a campaign gathering at a private home in Town and Country. "Citizens wanted their voices to be heard."

About 30 Proposition C supporters whooped it up loudly at 9 p.m. when the returns flashed on the television showing the measure passing with more than 70 percent of the vote.

"It's the vote heard 'round the world," said Dwight Janson, 53, from Glendale, clad in an American flag-patterned shirt. Janson said he went to one of the first Tea Party gatherings last year and hopped on the Proposition C bandwagon because he wanted to make a difference.

"I was tired of sitting on the sidelines bouncing my gums," he said.

Missouri was the first of four states to seek to opt out of the insurance purchase mandate portion of the health care law that had been pushed by Obama. And while many legal scholars question whether the vote will be binding, the overwhelming approval gives the national GOP momentum as Arizona, Florida and Oklahoma hold similar votes during midterm elections in November.

"It's a big number," state Sen. Jim Lembke, R-Lemay, said of the vote. "I expected a victory, but not of this magnitude. This is going to propel the issue and several other issues about the proper role of the federal government."

It's funny how the State of Missouri MANDATES that you have to purchase Auto Insurance.

Auto Insurance and health insurance are 2 completely different things.

1. One does not have to drive. If one does not drive, one does not have to buy Auto insurance.

2. Auto insurance is there to protect you from the other guy, or vice versa. Health insurance is there to protect you.

Part of the idea of freedom is that the government doesn't mandate how much one protects one's self.

Healthcare insurance protects society too, from having to pay for YOUR healthcare.
It also protects and strengthens society by having a population that seeks care for their health problems.

Oh let's get real....if you live where I do, you HAVE to have a vehicle and drive.

The reason I am MANDATED to buy insurance is NOT to protect me...it's to make sure that the guy I hit gets paid for damages.

An insurance MANDATE is an insurance MANDATE. The State mandates that you purchase insurance....end of story.

And to protect you if the other guy doesn't have insurance.
20% of drivers in Michigan are uninsured, its about 14% in Missouri.

If I opt to pay that "one-time" tax penalty and opt out of buying insurance, who will pay my med. bills and/ or ER visits?

Who do you think should pay your bills?
If you have insurance it pays according to the plan. If you don't have ins. you pay. If you can't pay and the hospital can't collect the hospital adds it to the amount they claim as 'uncompensated care'
and claim that the Gov. both state and federal need to reimburse them for it.

It's not, who do I think. It's, who will pay.
So, here we are, back to square one.

If I opt out and pay the Tax penalty, the tax payers will be doing as they had before, paying my med. bills and ER visits.

If, I don't have the funds to pay the penalty, I don't have to worry about jail or bill collectors.

If a bill collector harasses me over it, I can sue them.

The Tax payer will pay both ways.

They will pay more for insurance when their company opts for the fine and will pay for the individuals who opt to pay the fine.

So why aren't you paying for your healthcare?

And in a different light.......Listen to this discussion........

about what the so called "Death Panels" would do.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128828629

I was discussing this bogus Bill.

It will remain the same.

Tax Payers will still pay for those who have no insurance.

Community Hospitals will not replace the signs that state.
"You will not be denied Health Care just because you don't have the ability to pay."

Or will they?

"No insurance, no Service. Go die outside."


One added note;

If folks don't complain about pickin' up the tab for all the Illegals ER visits and Anchor Baby bills, don't be complainin' about pickin' up the tab for legitimate Citizens.

your still going to pay for my healthcare, only more now....and if you dont pay it....

what if someone hits you and you go to the hospital... you gunna pay for that? whos gunna pay for your car? like he said, driving is a privilege, don't drive and don't get insurance..

People are pissed. There will be hell to pay in November and 2012.

false logic, auto insurance and health insurance are to pay for ACCIDENTS and EMERGENCIES so that others dont end up footing the bill for you,, not so different at all

you can be excused from paying auto insurance by not having an auto
there are half a dozen reasons this bill will excuse one from having health insurance as well

its not so different at all....just the american complaint culture at work again,,,

Oh what a disconnect from reality ... Auto insurance does NOT make up ONE-SIXTH of the AMERICAN ECONOMY. This is a specious attempt at false 'equivalence' ... seems to be a specialty. Sorry, no cigar. NOBODY wants this steaming pile of crap in a bag ... well, maybe a few of the 'GIMME!' and 'I wants MINEZ!' crowd, but intelligent folks see this for what it is: Communist Command And Control of ONE-SIXTH of our economy.

all the better for my argument, auto insurance is not nearly as significant as health insurance, on the same grounds that it is mandated by most states,, so too will health insurance,,,


I want to contribute to a better society, that puts me in the 'let me help others ' crowd, so I guess those opposing the bill are in the 'I only want to help myself' crowd?

arent labels a wonderful tool for the obsessively duplicitous?

No biggie. Federal law trumps the states anyway and it is as it should be.

Actually, that's not false logic at all. The point of insurance is to pool risk, thus minimizing the cost to the person buying insurance. When there is a free market for various types of insurance, prices tend to go down.

This is why what we call "health insurance" isn't really insurance. "Insurance" is only supposed to be used to pay for unforseable events, accidents, etc. The insurer bases the premiums on risks, and pools the costs of customers to give each the best possible price.

Today, we use "insurance" to pay for everything medical, not just emergencies. This decreases the supply and increases demand for medical service/supply-thus, prices skyrocket.

If only people brought empiricism and logic to these kind of debates, we wouldn't be in such a huge mess.