Would you also agree that people must come together in this time of turmoil?

Yes we must all stay together. There is strength in numbers.

Put on the armor of God and you can face anything this world may through at you.

Belt of TRUTH


God: the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit


"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) Deut. 4:39; Psalm 23:1; 18:1-3

Breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS


The holy and perfect righteousness of Jesus in those who are "born again" and filled with His Spirit


"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled." (Matt. 5:6) Psalm 100:3; Rom. 3:23-24, 6:23; Gal. 2:20-21; Phil. 3:8-10.

Sandals of PEACE


Inner peace and readiness


"For He Himself is our peace..." (Eph. 2:14-15)

Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:14; John 14:27, 16:33, 20:21.

Shield of FAITH


Living by faith


"I am crucified with Christ:...and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God...." (Gal. 2:20) Rom. 4:18-21; Heb. 11:1; 1 Pet. 1:6-7

Helmet of SALVATION


Salvation through Christ today and forever


"Nor is there salvation in any other..."(Acts 4:12) Each day: Ps. 16, 23; Heb. 1:3-6

For eternity: 2 Cor. 4:16-18; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 John 3:1-3

The victorious Sword of the spirit: GOD'S WORD


God's Word countering spiritual deception and accusations


"...the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory...." (John 1:14) Heb. 4:12; Matt. 4:2-11; 1 Pet. 3:15; Ps. 119:110-112

Regardless of our unique differences, we all must come together as one unit against oppression. Our whole lives, we have lived a conquer-and-divide lifestyle, and it is time to rejoin as one unit together in perfect harmony using our individual talents for the benefit of the world. I love you all as my brothers and sisters.

Cowboy..trying to replace God's word "gave" with "sent" shows how you once again got catch telling another lie about the bible when you said that you wouldn't when you got busted telling the lie about no children drown in the great flood because they were all on noah's ark....what's the point of debating with you if you are going to lie and askew the truth...isn't that what people claim that Satan does

Without getting to far into Bible debate, to answer your question, will the Rapture rid the world of Christians, my answer is No...because if your are talking rapture as the day God calls His believers home to heaven and the seals are open for open for the last days...No way Christianity will multiply like wild fire...
And I am a believer of Christ Jesus, I believe He is God the Fathers son and paid the price of my sins on a cross and on the third day he rose again. I can't believe that a question about the day of rapture was put in those terms, if you believe there is gonna be a day like that then you have to believe a little in the Bible. All men of science are gonna call that day something else, only believers will call it rapture. And I can't say anything for anyone else but in my opinion if I read and didn't believe in the Bible and a world wide event like rapture came, I would have faith in droves...and after the rapture when the revelation prophesies started coming true, I would find faith. In those last days alot of people are going to be looking for something, humans inately have to look for something as a higher power, something to make sense of things, and the fact rapture as described thousands of years ago, will make alot of people reconsider our religion of Christianity, especially when they look at who was raptured....

What Cowboy is doing

is trying to give a testimony

about the goodness and mercy of God,

but he is falling into the snares

and traps that you and others

are trying to set for him.


What YOU are doing is more

characteristic of satan

than Cowboy's efforts.

You and others continually mention

the persecutions and witch hunts

of the past.

Yet... you are so guilty

of these acts yourselves.


Your life could be required

of you this day, are you ready?

Yes, someday Christians will be taken away...

but what remains will in no way be a utopia

Most believers,
realize that most of you will reject
the WORD of God,
but nevertheless, we are required
to share the Good News
so that you are without excuse
at the judgement.

It is indeed coming to a close

I agree with your sentiments here, however, as unfortunate as it is, one of humanities greatest oppression are indeed religions that brag of having a jealous judgmental God who hates heathens and demand religious and social bigotry. That, itself, is a very real and detrimental oppression that hurts countless people every single day.

There's really no way to combat these spiritual cancers of humanity short of exposing them as the false fables that they are. There's just no other possible way of dealing with them because they are indeed founded on the very premise that their God is a jealous dictator who clearly hates heathens and is totally intolerant of them. And a heathen is also clearly defined within these religions as anyone who refuses to believe in these fables. There's just no way of getting around it. It's the very founding premise of these oppressive religions.

In fact, they wouldn't even be problematic at all if it wasn't for their jealous and totalitarian attitude. They demand religious bigotry and religious intolerance by default. It's the very principle upon which they are founded.

Therefore when you say, "We must all come together", that's basically a meaningless concept to the followers of these ancient fables. Because from there point of view, the only way to 'come together' is to worship these fables as the "Word of God". Otherwise there can be no "coming together" because to do anything outside the scope of what these ancient fables demand would be to go against the "Word of God".

So from the perspective of these religiously intolerant religions, the only possible "coming together" is to submit to what they believe. Anything short of that is blaspheme against their jealous God and will not be tolerated.

So any attempt to pacify the followers of these religions by requesting that they become tolerant of other beliefs for the good of the whole, is simple futile. That's blaspheme. It's a direct violation of what they believe God to be. Their God is a jealous God who will not tolerate heathens under any circumstances. And the authors of these fables made it perfectly clear that a 'heathen' is nothing more than anyone who refuses to believe that their fables are the "Word of God". That's basically the very definition of a "heathen" in these religions.

In other words, if you don't already acknowledge the God of Abraham as being the one true God, then you're already a "heathen" and therefore anything you have to say is utterly worthless in the eyes of those who believe in these myths. As a "heathen" your words, thoughts, and actions, can at best, be simply unwise and unworthy of consideration, or at worst, you could potentially be the voice of Satan himself. A demon on the loose!

The only way to deal with these satanic myths is to expose them for the falsehoods they truly are.

I never persecuted anyone in the name of Jesus Christ Almighty or in the name of Satan.

You spew meaningless and unsupportable accusations at people just to support a mythology that truly is guilty of inciting madness in people.

What Cowboy is doing is attempting to proselytize HIS VERSION and interpretation of these ancient myths. Cowboy cannot claim to "Speak for Jesus" anymore than anyone else. Anymore than me, in fact!

There mere fact that Cowboy fell for this ancient mythology does not grant him any special authority on them. A lot of people fell for these myths and used them in entirely different ways.

I think the Malleus Maleficarum is the perfect example of precisely how dangerous these religious myths can be. We're talking about two very serious and high-ranking Christian monks who certainly out-rank Cowboy in terms of being devout religious clergy. Yet this is the kind of superstitious and hideous thing they come up with.

In fact, look at YOU!



Even today in these modern times even you are perpetuating the same kind of fears about some Satanic demon that caused the Christian Monks centuries ago to write the Malleus Maleficarum.

If you were living in a highly Christian society where even the government (or King) was a devout Christian, you could very well be the person who starts writing similar books on how to expose Heathens who are "Possessed by Satan".

You're already suggesting as much! Accusing people have having the characteristics of Satan. It's the same old medieval superstitions being proselytized today in the name of Jesus the Christ Almighty.

I'm not impressed in the least.

These superstitious bigoted religions with their jealous God are dangerous. There can be no doubt about it.

Disbelievers are quickly labeled as "Acting on behalf of Satan!"

When are these ancient ignorant superstitions going to end?

Everyone who refuses to believe that Jesus was a bigot who hates heathens is automatically labeled as a heathen who Jesus hates.

what Cowboy is doing is giving false testimony...if a believer lie about what's in the bible exactly how is that in the grace of God ....and for another believer to condone or make excuses for the lie only serves to show why God would be displease and use the rapture to get rid of those Christians that blaspheme his word

I just want to throw in my 2 cents...I am not religiously intolerant of anyone. I have friends that are gay, bisexual, hell even lesbians that are married to each other, I befriend lots of people, perfection and religious ideals, color, not prerequisites to be my friend, I even keep the liars and cheats as my friends. Why? Because everyone is different, we were made that way, and I can love and appreciate people for who they are on their journey in life, I have my morals and standards, and you have yours, I have choose the path religiously that I want to follow, doesn't make me superior or right, it just makes me, well me. In the Bible it tells me to share my faith with others so I do, I don't preach much, and I hardly ever get aggrivated and have all night arguements, but if I respect you for your beliefs can't you do the same for me?>??

if you truely respect people for their beliefs...then why are you in the forum complaining about them

What Good News?

According to the gospel rumors, Jesus supposedly said:


Matt.7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Where's the Good News in that?

Few there be that find it?

Unless you want to contest the WORD of your LORD it appears that he's saying that the vast majority of people will not be eligible for eternal life.

I don't see any Good News in that at all. It's an extremely dismal picture for most humans.

Besides, I have PLENTY of really GOOD excuses of why I reject the bigoted and unwise Hebrew fables as the "Word of God". So I am not "without excuse". On the contrary, no genuinely intelligent being could ever blame me for not believing in such a horrid convoluted fable.

So I have extremely sound and intelligent excuses for not wanting to believe that our created is the bigoted jealous and unwise fool that you claim.

In fact, if I'm wrong, and he is a bigoted jealous unwise fool, then what have I lost? NOTHING!

Who wants to serve a bigoted jealous unwise fool for eternity anyway?

That's not Good News. In that case atheism would be Good News!

The Hebrew fables are full of too much violence, bigotry, male-chauvinism, stupidity, and outright hatred, to be the "Word" of any truly divine supreme being.

We can thank the real creator of this universe for the fact that the Hebrew folklore doesn't speak for Her!

If you want truly Good News let me give you some!

Instead of placing your "faith" in the idea that the ancient male-chauvinistic Hebrews describe God you can instead place your faith in the idea that the Wiccan Goddess describes God.

Then you will be giving God a compliment instead of an insult.

Don't you think our creator will be more pleased by a compliment rather than an insult?

In fact, there are many religious myths to choose from all throughout the world. If you truly want to give God a compliment you should pick the most beautiful religion. Anything less is to imply that you think God is less than beautiful.

Why insult God by choosing to believe anything other than the most beautiful picture you can possibly find to describe Her?

Surely no all-wise intelligent being is going to be upset with anyone who is giving him/her/it the greatest possible compliment.

I did not claim that john 3:16 said sent instead of gave. All i was stating is that in general our father SENT Jesus to give us the new covenant. Of course our father GAVE Jesus to us, for our father gives us everything, air, food, water, EVERYTHING. I may have referenced john 3:16 and used the word sent, but i did not state that the verse itself said that word. So i'm not trying to replace anything, merely explaining something. If something or someone is given to a people, is he not sent? Cause if he wasn't sent how could he be given?

And yes this is a great tactic atheists use. They bring out one little missunderstand and dwell on it causing aggrivation in hopes to make you mad and say something you shouldn't have and or so you'll have less clarity of thinking. Why does discussion about the bible with atheists and other beliefs usually end up in being personal, as in the comment you made:
"Cowboy..trying to replace God's word "gave" with "sent" shows how you once again got catch telling another lie about the bible when you said that you wouldn't when you got busted telling the lie about no children drown in the great flood because they were all on noah's ark"

And of course not EVERYONE was going to be on the ark. The flood was done to purify the earth. To cleanse it of it's foil people.

if you tells lies as to what is written in the bible then how can it not be personal when it was you that told the lie...try not telling lies and then no one has to get personal and call you a liar

which is why It got personal when you claim that God didn't drown any babies in the great flood but "sent" them onto Noah's Ark ...it was you that told the lie but yet you choose to blame others

if you're here to preach the gospel then try not to spread the bull

In person, I would not question or attack your religious beliefs at all. In person, I would totally respect your beliefs if you also respect mine.

However, for the sake of religious discussion on this forum, there are a few things that you don't seem to understand.

First, you say,



That may be true. However, if you are a Christian, the religious doctrine that is the foundation of your religion is quite religiously intolerant.

So in a sense, to say that you are a Christian but you are not religiously intolerant is the same as saying, I call myself a "Christian" but I really don't agree with the doctrine that Christianity is founded upon.

I think there are a lot of people who feel that way. They like to believe that they are saved by the grace of Jesus, but they really aren't interested in supporting the actual details of the doctrine from whence this notion came.

In fact, that probably describes the VAST MAJORITY of Christians on Planet Earth. If the Christian doctrine actually supported the feelings and views of the vast majority of modern day "Christians" it would be an extremely religiously tolerant religion.

The beauty of most Christians is that they don't really bother with the Bible beyond the basic idea that they have accepted Jesus as their savior. They really aren't interested in any details beyond that.

not complaining, just stating a fact that not all religious people fall into his category, and my first post said nothing remotely close to a complaint, I just answered your question. As far as I am concerned, I spoke my peace and am done. I think the problems start when people read into others statements, the main question was do you think rapture will end christianity, not do you believe in God the father and Jesus His son, or who can twist more words around for them to say what I want them too, right? So there is alot of off topic debat going on and there will be no winner today, wether because of my faith or because of the finality of death one day each of us will know the answers we look for, and everyone has a right to their own beliefs, I can end by saying that sometimes you just know that you know, I wasn't there the day Jesus was crucified, or with Mary when she went to his empty tomb, but I was there the moment I asked Jesus to come in my life and make me His own. And no one ever said believeing in God would be easy, just worth it. I have a joy in my heart and testimony to share from the grace God has shown me. Today it is my decision to praise the Lord a conscous decision I make every moment of my life, I sin, and I fall short everyday, I don't seek perfection, I seek the best I can do. In my faith I am suppose to outwardly acknowledge Christ, with words and works, at the end of today I will lay down in my bed in my apartment, and have to be accountable for my day, I have told you what I believe, not made judgements on you or what you believe, and I am o.k. with that. It is not my job as a follower of Christ to brain wash you or try and make you think my way is a better way to believe, it is just to show you there is another option, so like my brother before you says, on the day of judgement you cannot point to me and say..."but Jennifer never told me, I never knew".....

ah...well then, carry on.

perhaps I have a belief that you were complaining....are you going to respect that or contradict yourself and complain

"Jesus sacrificed every waking second of his life for us"?? Really? So...how come so much of his supposed life is missing from your holy book? Jesus, The College Years is nowhere to be found. Although I have heard he was a hit at parties. He'd make a bag of chips last all night. And that water to wine trick. What college age kids would get tired of that?

hmm...now that I think about it, sounds like a great idea for a sitcom.