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Topic: Will The Rapture rid the Earth of Christianity
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Fri 10/15/10 10:20 AM

i think miniraptures have happened,the holocaust,inquisition,jonestown,crusades,the atomic bomb,911 attacks...etc etc. but yet not one sign of Jesus or god in any of these events.

yet 6,000+years ago God would have said or done something


when a disasters such as an Earthquake or flood takes place and kills a massive amount of people some of the religious view it as the hand of God...some people caught up in such disasters are never seen again as if their have disappeared from the face of the Earth...this is why The Rapture making christians disappear could be a prophecy as to how God in judgement will rid the world of evil

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 10/15/10 10:24 AM

Again Christianity teaches us to love EVERYONE and treat EVERYONE with respect. No segregation or favorism or anything. So how does that have adverse effect on the world?


Well, you'll have to teach your Cowboyanity to a lot of Christian clergy and preachers then. Possibly, if everyone believed like you Christianity "might not" be a bad religion. However, I'm not even totally sold on that idea, because you have supported a lot of the ideas from the old testament as being "wise" where I personally view them as being highly "unwise".

So you and I are already ad "odds". But what makes matters worse is that we can never find "middle ground" because you would flatly refuse to budge. Why? Well it should be clear, you view your conclusions to the the "Word of God" and therefore the wisdom is absolute. Clearly I necessarily must be the person who has the "unwise" ideas because my ideas are just mine.

Do you see the problem? You think you already hold in your hands a book of ultimate irrefutable wisdom. So there's no sense in even attempting to convince you otherwise. You have no opinions of your own. You're not allowed to have opinions of your own. You MUST accept the "Word of God" as the final say.

Therefore you are basically demanding that I must accept the 'wisdom' of the ancient Hebrews as the "Word of God". And there can be no negotiations on that as far as you are concerned. It's carved in stone. All of humanity must forever adhere to the "wisdom" of the ancient Hebrews, because YOU believe them when they claim to speak for God.


It is these individuals actions that judge you, not the Christian faith in general. It specifically tells us to not judge anyone. So if they are judging you, they are being just as disobedient as you or someone else. Two wrongs don't make a right. And in no way does Christianity tell us to behave as such, so again therefore it is that person's actions, not a reflection of the law itself.


Again, you're severely missing the point. I really don't care what individual followers of these ancient myths think they should personally do.

The Myth itself demands that if a person does not believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the God of the Old Testament (and all the crap that goes with that), then they are condemned already.

That's what the doctrine itself claims. Therefore, if you are going to take the stance that this doctrine is the "Word of God" then you are necessarily supporting this ancient rumor.

You are automatically demanding that everyone who refuses to believe in these rumors is condemned already. Because that's what the doctrine that you are supporting as the "Word of God" claims.

You can't very well support something as the "Word of God" and then say, "Well I don't necessarily personally agree with it".

What sense does that make? spock

If you think it's unreasonable then why bother supporting it as the "Word of God"?


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Fri 10/15/10 11:09 AM




got your dander up a bit, huh.
Go Abra go!
:thumbsup:


Absolutely. These religious people are horrible. They condemn everyone who refuses to climb aboard their bigotry wagon as being an ungodly heathens who have turned against God and have clearly aligned with a demon.

In short, they are using this gruesome ugly tale of the Hebrews to pass judgment on the souls of decent people. Yet they simultaneously and hypocritically claim that they don't judge others. slaphead

That's all these people ever do. They use their dead rubber Jesus doll to beat everyone over the head with in judgment. It's so uncouth.

They buy into it hook line and sinker. Paul erroneously and falsely claimed in his writings that non-believers are "without excuse" for not believing. That's hogwash right there. There are tons of legitimate and sane reasons for rejecting the very rantings of people like Paul himself. Not to mention all the other absurdities in the Hebrew cannon of fables.

In fact, the particular set of fables that we currently refer to as "The Bible" weren't even canonized by the Hebrews. These particular myths were selected by King James in the 1600's. The "Bible" as we know it today wasn't truly even created until a thousand and six hundred years had passed since the time that this man Jesus supposedly lived.

There's more than legitimate "excuses" for not accepting this stuff as the "Word of God". In fact, it's far more sane and reasonable to reject it altogether as nothing more than the opinionated rumors of mortal men. drinker




Indeed.


It is these individuals actions that judge you,


I thought you said God judges us...

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 10/15/10 11:19 AM





got your dander up a bit, huh.
Go Abra go!
:thumbsup:


Absolutely. These religious people are horrible. They condemn everyone who refuses to climb aboard their bigotry wagon as being an ungodly heathens who have turned against God and have clearly aligned with a demon.

In short, they are using this gruesome ugly tale of the Hebrews to pass judgment on the souls of decent people. Yet they simultaneously and hypocritically claim that they don't judge others. slaphead

That's all these people ever do. They use their dead rubber Jesus doll to beat everyone over the head with in judgment. It's so uncouth.

They buy into it hook line and sinker. Paul erroneously and falsely claimed in his writings that non-believers are "without excuse" for not believing. That's hogwash right there. There are tons of legitimate and sane reasons for rejecting the very rantings of people like Paul himself. Not to mention all the other absurdities in the Hebrew cannon of fables.

In fact, the particular set of fables that we currently refer to as "The Bible" weren't even canonized by the Hebrews. These particular myths were selected by King James in the 1600's. The "Bible" as we know it today wasn't truly even created until a thousand and six hundred years had passed since the time that this man Jesus supposedly lived.

There's more than legitimate "excuses" for not accepting this stuff as the "Word of God". In fact, it's far more sane and reasonable to reject it altogether as nothing more than the opinionated rumors of mortal men. drinker




Indeed.


It is these individuals actions that judge you,


I thought you said God judges us...


Looks like we're off and running toward a picture of karma. :banana:

Easter Mysticism finally emerges as the truth of what Jesus taught. bigsmile

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Fri 10/15/10 11:23 AM





got your dander up a bit, huh.
Go Abra go!
:thumbsup:


Absolutely. These religious people are horrible. They condemn everyone who refuses to climb aboard their bigotry wagon as being an ungodly heathens who have turned against God and have clearly aligned with a demon.

In short, they are using this gruesome ugly tale of the Hebrews to pass judgment on the souls of decent people. Yet they simultaneously and hypocritically claim that they don't judge others. slaphead

That's all these people ever do. They use their dead rubber Jesus doll to beat everyone over the head with in judgment. It's so uncouth.

They buy into it hook line and sinker. Paul erroneously and falsely claimed in his writings that non-believers are "without excuse" for not believing. That's hogwash right there. There are tons of legitimate and sane reasons for rejecting the very rantings of people like Paul himself. Not to mention all the other absurdities in the Hebrew cannon of fables.

In fact, the particular set of fables that we currently refer to as "The Bible" weren't even canonized by the Hebrews. These particular myths were selected by King James in the 1600's. The "Bible" as we know it today wasn't truly even created until a thousand and six hundred years had passed since the time that this man Jesus supposedly lived.

There's more than legitimate "excuses" for not accepting this stuff as the "Word of God". In fact, it's far more sane and reasonable to reject it altogether as nothing more than the opinionated rumors of mortal men. drinker




Indeed.


It is these individuals actions that judge you,


I thought you said God judges us...


Jesus judges us. These people making the judgement in their eyes holds no real grounds, will not effect you for eternity nor should they be doing as such. We will be judged with the same measure we judge other if and when we/they do. Jesus taught us specifically not to make judgements towards someone.

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Fri 10/15/10 11:26 AM


Again Christianity teaches us to love EVERYONE and treat EVERYONE with respect. No segregation or favorism or anything. So how does that have adverse effect on the world?


Well, you'll have to teach your Cowboyanity to a lot of Christian clergy and preachers then. Possibly, if everyone believed like you Christianity "might not" be a bad religion. However, I'm not even totally sold on that idea, because you have supported a lot of the ideas from the old testament as being "wise" where I personally view them as being highly "unwise".

So you and I are already ad "odds". But what makes matters worse is that we can never find "middle ground" because you would flatly refuse to budge. Why? Well it should be clear, you view your conclusions to the the "Word of God" and therefore the wisdom is absolute. Clearly I necessarily must be the person who has the "unwise" ideas because my ideas are just mine.

Do you see the problem? You think you already hold in your hands a book of ultimate irrefutable wisdom. So there's no sense in even attempting to convince you otherwise. You have no opinions of your own. You're not allowed to have opinions of your own. You MUST accept the "Word of God" as the final say.

Therefore you are basically demanding that I must accept the 'wisdom' of the ancient Hebrews as the "Word of God". And there can be no negotiations on that as far as you are concerned. It's carved in stone. All of humanity must forever adhere to the "wisdom" of the ancient Hebrews, because YOU believe them when they claim to speak for God.


It is these individuals actions that judge you, not the Christian faith in general. It specifically tells us to not judge anyone. So if they are judging you, they are being just as disobedient as you or someone else. Two wrongs don't make a right. And in no way does Christianity tell us to behave as such, so again therefore it is that person's actions, not a reflection of the law itself.


Again, you're severely missing the point. I really don't care what individual followers of these ancient myths think they should personally do.

The Myth itself demands that if a person does not believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the God of the Old Testament (and all the crap that goes with that), then they are condemned already.

That's what the doctrine itself claims. Therefore, if you are going to take the stance that this doctrine is the "Word of God" then you are necessarily supporting this ancient rumor.

You are automatically demanding that everyone who refuses to believe in these rumors is condemned already. Because that's what the doctrine that you are supporting as the "Word of God" claims.

You can't very well support something as the "Word of God" and then say, "Well I don't necessarily personally agree with it".

What sense does that make? spock

If you think it's unreasonable then why bother supporting it as the "Word of God"?




That would be God's word judging you, not I. And what's it matter? It's all folklore anyway, remember?

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Fri 10/15/10 11:45 AM

That would be God's word judging you, not I. And what's it matter? It's all folklore anyway, remember?


Well, if it's all folklore then it's not "God's word".

You keep referring to it as "God's word".

I guess you simply mean it's the "word" of the God in the folklore, just like Greek Mythology is the "word of Zeus".

Good, then the next time you mention "God's Word", I'll know that you're just talking about a folklore God and that you aren't attempting be serious.

That way, if we ever truly sit down to have a philosophical discussion of human ethics you'll recognize that all human's have equally valid input and you won't attempt to 'Trump" them by claiming that you have a book that contains "God's Word" that says otherwise.

Sounds good to me. drinker

And here all the while I thought you were attempting to claim that this folklore is the actual word of some real God.

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Fri 10/15/10 11:58 AM


That would be God's word judging you, not I. And what's it matter? It's all folklore anyway, remember?


Well, if it's all folklore then it's not "God's word".

You keep referring to it as "God's word".

I guess you simply mean it's the "word" of the God in the folklore, just like Greek Mythology is the "word of Zeus".

Good, then the next time you mention "God's Word", I'll know that you're just talking about a folklore God and that you aren't attempting be serious.

That way, if we ever truly sit down to have a philosophical discussion of human ethics you'll recognize that all human's have equally valid input and you won't attempt to 'Trump" them by claiming that you have a book that contains "God's Word" that says otherwise.

Sounds good to me. drinker

And here all the while I thought you were attempting to claim that this folklore is the actual word of some real God.



Now you're severely missing the point........ ever heard of sarcasm? I'll have a philosophical discussion with you any day.... actually i thought that's what we're doing :/. The bible is God's word, the laws we are to abide by. Nothing immoral about it, nothing cruel, nothing evil, nothing segregating. The laws that apply to you or anyone else is the same laws that apply to me. Our father has forewarned us of disobedience to his laws, therefore isn't cruel or anything along those lines, they're quite simple to follow actually.

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Fri 10/15/10 12:20 PM
it be written, "one shall be judged in the manner it judge"...

a very deceptive phrase, that only snag the "self seeker", causing them to turn a blind eye to harm upon other's, to get "mercy" for themself?

so, self is walking down the street.

hears an anti self comment from a passer by, and gets mad, and beats some ***...

gets picked up by local law, and declares no self guilt, blaming the action's of itself, as the **** who was hollering anti-god sentiment...

does this one have any honor?

if he did come to have HONOR, than he would say, I AM GUILTY.

i should not have beat that *** just because they hurled words at me?

so, this one WANTS JUDGEMENT?

DEEMS IT AS APPROPRIATE, SEEING IT'S OWN LACKING, AND NOT BLAMING IT ON OTHER'S, ANY OTHER'S, NO MATTER THEIR WORD OR DEEDS?

so, it is easy to see, that ANY HUMAN, that hath HONOR, or INTEGRITY, or VALOR, or COURAGE, or BE "SELF CORRECTING", does not feel or seek or need MERCY for itself, OR TRY TO "NOT BE JUDGED HARSHLY BY GOD", lol...

for the writing does not even imnplie "god" judgement as a derrogatory thing, BUT SINCE ANY HUMAN, if it has guilt, can be induced to READING IT AS SUCH, then wa lah, this extreme notion that to grant immunity IS GOOD?

those that "want" to face no judgement, OR ACCUSTATION ABOUT THEMSELF, from other children of god, AS ALL ARE DECALRED CHILDREN EQUALLY, use such phrase help themnself believe the words of "distain" about their words or behaviour have no merit, and why the church's are one of the WORST BREEDING GROUND FOR NONE CARER'S OF OTHER'S...

which, it cannot be missed, that a rapist only rape, if he believe HIS OWN HAPPY BE MOST IMPORTANT?

a torturer cannot torture, lest he first believe ANOTHER BE LESS IN VALUE THAN SELF?

a molester, cannot molest, unless he think his own happy, be more valuable than a childs?

and what doth religion teach?

DO THESE THINGS, AND "YOU" WILL BE HAPPY, AND "YOU" WILL GET WHAT YOU WANT, AND "YOU" WILL BE FORGIVEN, AND "YOU" WILL HAVE NO MORE SORROW, AND "YOU" WILL GET TO LIVE FOREVER, AND "YOU" WILL NOT HAVE TO GO TO HELL, AND "YOU" WILL BE A RIGHTEOUS ONE, AND "YOU", AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU....

so the YOU'S hang out most WHERE?

and so why many in the world, can see easily, these are SOME OF THE PLACES, THAT HYPOCITE'S EXIST MOST...

simply WHERE ALL THE "SELF SEEKERS" GATHER TOGETHER, for even when they hand out a piece of food, or clothe a bum, they ADD TO THEMSELF THEIR OWN REWARD, doing it all to GET FOR SELF...

so, indeed, RAPIST, KILLERS, PEDOPHILES, TORTURERS, all have one thing in common, "SELF BE THE MOST IMPORTANT", so they shall gravitate to what any place where there is THE SAME ENERGY OF SELF AS SUPREME?

and, WHO IN SOCIETY HATH THE GREATEST "SELF AS SUPREME", OR GOD COMPLEX?

CHURCHES PERHAPS?

only the blind could miss, ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMAN CIVILIZATION, IN "ALL" HISTORY, HATH COME OUT OF "RELIGION", or been spwaned by the "church"...

FOR THE WHAT LOVE ITSELF, LOVE THIS PLACE CALLED CHURCH.












Abracadabra's photo
Fri 10/15/10 03:06 PM

I'll have a philosophical discussion with you any day.... actually i thought that's what we're doing :/. The bible is God's word, the laws we are to abide by.......


So that's your idea of a "philosophical discussion", to simply blurt out, "The bible is God's word, the laws we are to abide by"?

But that's my whole question.

WHY?

Why should I accept your assertion that the bible is the "Word of God?" huh

That's the whole point of the discussion. You haven't even come close to convincing me why I should accept your assertion.

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Fri 10/15/10 04:16 PM
Here is some more gasoline for my fire.

See who really runs this country(reptilians):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5i5AjtwM_c

Here is the Big occult(hidden) agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb_cQcuKb04

Here is the solution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtRxLa_J9S0

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Fri 10/15/10 04:28 PM
there is no place "jesus", or the bible, says not to judge other's, period.

it has been taught that it does, by words from human mouth, that DID NOT WANT TO BE JUDGED THEMSELF, by their friends, follower's, and own families.




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Fri 10/15/10 04:35 PM
If you guys wanna see what's really going on.... Here is my youtube channel. I have found the ROOT of the issues surrounding religion in general. Here is my channel: http://www.youtube.com/smpwast3d

Abracadabra's photo
Fri 10/15/10 04:57 PM

there is no place "jesus", or the bible, says not to judge other's, period.



Luke.6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven


Since I judge no one I will not be judged.
Since I condemn no one I will not be condemned
Since I forgive everyone, I shall be forgiven

So if I can trust the gospels to have correctly spoken for Jesus, and if Jesus spoke the truth, then I will not be judged, nor condemned, and I will be forgiven just as I forgive others.

Therefore when I approach the pearly gates of heaven they will open automatically like the doors of a shopping mall. I will be given free entrance with no questions or judgment of any kind. Just as I always knew it would be. For this is the way I always go home.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I am as pure as the sunlight on a cloudless day. I am the essence of love and a living example of what every saint should strive to be. flowerforyou

Follow in my footsteps children and you too will see the face of God.

Hey this preaching stuff is fun. :banana:

I really blew it by not becoming a preacher. slaphead

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Fri 10/15/10 05:10 PM

If you guys wanna see what's really going on.... Here is my youtube channel. I have found the ROOT of the issues surrounding religion in general. Here is my channel: http://www.youtube.com/smpwast3d


well, that's a marvelous claim dear one...

to have found the "root" of what ails religion, then one would need to find the "root" of what ail's humankind as a whole...

well, for that to be so, one would need to have found the "root" of human thinking itself, for human inclination create religion, science, philosophy, medicine amd all other things of human that proceed's into infinity...

so, one would have to go back to the "root" of ALL HUMAN THOUGHT, which CREATED ALL THE REST?

so, THOUGHT CREATES ALL?

so, then if one is still looking at a MANIFESTATION, OR LABEL OF "CERTAIN THOUGHTS", such as religion, or philosophy, or science, then such does indeed show, one hath not traveled back to any BEGINNING POINT, OR "ROOT"...

so, it can be known from your statement itself, that indeed you have found what you want to believe be the "root", but the words are of no "root" principle...

"root" means beginning, inception point?

so, to solve "human", or know how to "understand" all things human, which indeed would be needed to 'solve' anything human...

but then, is the motive even to 'solve'?

to solve what?

what is humanity actually "trying to solve"?

not much...

HUMANITY IS ABOUT ATTAINMENT, PROCUREMENT FOR SELF, so, words spoken by the mass, will ALWAYS BE ABOUT, OR "CHANNELED", OR FILTERED THRU THIS IN THE BRAIN, so always about SELF PROCUREMENT?

lest there be one, that has given up all self want of itself, and then the brain itself could indeed FILTER OR DEFINE ALL THOUGHT DATA COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY?

religion, science, philosophy, medicine, education...

do they create SOME GOOD?

of course, TO SEE WHAT IS BETTER?

for there must be an "opposite" to know MORE?

"religion" in no way ever, EVER, had the 'motive' to solve humankind, or create solution for all, or peace for all, lol...

how do we know, WITHOUT ANY OTHER OUTSIDE WORDS TELLING SELF?

because "religion" is based upon "heaven" as "their good", NOT EVEN ON PLANET EARTH.

of course, it did say in their own book, "heaven would be created on earth", so why such still be the case be only for the sake of self motive to busied trying to "procure good for itself"...

so what's new...

it never did care about ALL HUMANITY AS ONE, and no words ever passed down thru time thru "relgious verbage", WERE THEN EVER BASED UPON ACTUAL SOLUTION ON EARTH AS EVEN POSSIBLE...

to solve human, one would most need to see into "human motive", as this indeed propel the mouth and hands to all they say and do?

focusing on any "religion" at all, will NEVER ACCOMPLSIH THIS, as the words themself, of all religion's, are tainted with the self motive of whom wrote them, and were spawned by the will and want to HIDE, OR CONCEAL, OR PAINT SELF MOTIVE, or the self, with the brush of words that made human man feel better about "himself".

just one cent

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Fri 10/15/10 05:48 PM
you know funny thing is theres alot of quoting from the bible in here but yet NOT ONE believer can type in his own words what god or jesus has said to him/her.oh let me guess thats what church is for,really so they go to school to learn the bible so that means god or jesus can speak with them now?

don't think so cause first even if a believer walks up to a believer and says"god/jesus spoketh to me and wants me to tell everyone the end is coming so start your praying" the other believer is gonna be like...riiiiight?and it's happened but yet we are still here.


believers worship a book and its preachings,not actually the characters in the book,just admit it and be a peace with yourselves



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Fri 10/15/10 06:50 PM
Trust me (well you don't have to), I have found the top of the ROOT. Just check out the channel, and it will become clear. Many subjects were researched to give a visual as to what that ROOT is. I put a LOT of time and effort into that channel, and of course, this is my opinion only, so take it or leave it. :)

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Fri 10/15/10 07:23 PM


there is no place "jesus", or the bible, says not to judge other's, period.



Luke.6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven


Since I judge no one I will not be judged.
Since I condemn no one I will not be condemned
Since I forgive everyone, I shall be forgiven

So if I can trust the gospels to have correctly spoken for Jesus, and if Jesus spoke the truth, then I will not be judged, nor condemned, and I will be forgiven just as I forgive others.

Therefore when I approach the pearly gates of heaven they will open automatically like the doors of a shopping mall. I will be given free entrance with no questions or judgment of any kind. Just as I always knew it would be. For this is the way I always go home.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I am as pure as the sunlight on a cloudless day. I am the essence of love and a living example of what every saint should strive to be. flowerforyou

Follow in my footsteps children and you too will see the face of God.

Hey this preaching stuff is fun. :banana:

I really blew it by not becoming a preacher. slaphead


lol...

awh, but the scientific mind of the great Abra, hath not applied the principle of "science" to this here statement?

so, "judge not, and ye shall not be judged", the first part...

IT DOES NOT SAY TO "NOT JUDGE", it simply declare a principle, that self has the OPTION to embrace OR NOT?

for self to see IF THIS BE A WISE WAY FOR MANKIND TO THINK OR DO?

condem not, and you will not be condemed?

so, this apply to any that "does not want ITSELF to be condemed"?

but, if one smite it's neighbor, and seek to avoid "condemnation", then this one hath no self honor?

this one would be as cain, blaming it's own action's on another, and HIDING IT'S GUILT?

so, it is only anything that wishes to hide some self guilt, or feel itself need absolution, that be what actually enter's not heaven?

so, this was written for the express purpose of "KEEPING OUT", the SELF SEEKER, from any GREATER KNOWING, until the time they gave up SELF SEEKING, in the time one came to love SOMETHING MORE THAN ITSELF MOST, or seeking BUT GOOD FOR THEMSELF, instead of seeking COMMON GOOD...

why...

if each in earth, be tryting to scrmble to "get to heaven", then they will fight?

and it was intended they fight, lol...

so, that THE HUMAN BRAIN WOULD "KNOW WHAT FIGHTING WAS", for how would any KNOW, unless they had witnessed it in experience themself?

so, that when a time of fighting came to be not, mortal man would actually appreciate it, value it dearly, value it enough to BE ABLE TO KEEP IT?

since self seeker's can not do this, then something has to be used to "propell or goad them", to act out, or create themself, an environment where ALL THE OPPOSITE OF REAL GOOD, COULD BE EXPERIENCED?

a expertly crafted work of words, specifically designed, to ALLOW SELF INTEREST, or singular motive of self, to trap itself, via it's own FALSE MOTIVE, OF ATTAINMENT FOR SELF ALONE MOST, thus, itself ACTING OUT action's and deeds that would CREATE FOR ITSELF, a miserable sad sorrow filled mortal existence, OR A PASSING THRU HELL, as the mortal experience itself is what be deemed as hell, hell not being anything beyond this mortal realm, BUT, human WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT, until the RIGHT TIME...

for since the mortal realm, included both BAD AND GOOD, too many would have existed earth via way of self suicide, lest it was thought that they would go to "hell"...

to keep them WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENT WISHED...

and, if MAN THOUGHT INDEED IN HIS HEART, THAT "HEAVEN" ACTUALLY AWAITED AFTER DEATH, then again, who would not have existed by suicide?

so, the "book" was a PLOY, so as to NOT CONTROL, except by giving INFORMATION, then the HUMAN DECIDE HOW TO DEFINE ITSELF, THEREFORE CREATING ALL THINGS IT DOES, ITSELF?

how else could any greater intelligence, create a lessor intelligence, and educate it?

seems like a ****ing brilliant plan to me.

ALL HAD TO EXPERICNE PAIN AND SUFFERING, OR HELL FIRST, before existing the "curse of the book", or no longer living under the "law", or living with this "fear" of heaven and hell, lol...

in many ways, it can be best seen as a expert hoax, but to create grand good for all in the end...

an expert brilliantly laid PLAN, with tiny little words, with ****ing words, making an entire species act out what was wished, to teach them, as in putting one on a bike, and allowing them to fall of on their own, knowing that any that actually "die", gets in on the secret, and has to wait for all it's loved one's below to exist mortal existence, before they get to know...

so, these on the "other side", indeed have the torment of "waiting", knowing these below have no clue, and know the suffering many be in....

so these then as well, LOVE OTHER'S MORE...

a plan that creates love for other's any way you cut it...

a plan that actaully makes human smarter, via allowing them to do as they wish, and actually no permenant harm to any, for once each die's, they know then they were immortal all along, BUT, they could not know too soon, OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED ON EARTH!

so the book was a plan, not a ****ing set of commandments, never WAS, THE BOOK ITSELF DECALRING THIS...

it was worded to create the FALSE motive within humanity, that the writer's themself didnt even know, and why each one would say, we PROPHECY IN PART...the writer's always being told what to write, but NOT THE END RESULT....

the only way to KEEP A TRUE SECRET?

if the writer's would have known, that million's owuld die because of what they wrote, by fighting over it, DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY WOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT?

but, the goal of as you say, "alpha and omega", was ultimately human enlightenment of all, for what can believe another's words of "what it was like, to travel ten miles to school in the snow"....

it's like, yea right, whatever...

so, the book propelled civilization the desired direction...

never once told any human what to do.

that is but how "follower's look at it", but jesus himself "followed none?

AND THE FOLLOWER'S WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AS HE?

AND HE WAS WILLING TO DIE, FOR THE SAKE OF "THE PLAN"?

the plan to create COMMON GOOD FOR ALL...

as soon as he died, he smiled, knowing the grand good to come, for the "mind', or energy, when in the "other realm", does not "feel time", as that is a "human body function", so he sat back and waited, just like all the rest that had visited or been sent to earth, for all other mortals to pass thru the "mortal tunnel" of human existence, each one as if going to school, to become as "adult god's", HENCE THE TERM ALL ARE CHILD GODS...

once they learned, ALL AS ONE....

to teach not to jump in the lifeboat and leave the women and children on the sinking ship?

to teach honor, to protect all others at all cost?

adult gods, once all the cowardess had been removed by man's own action's itself, that itself created?

so again, the ****ing book never told a damn soul what to do...

if the book said JUMP OFF A BRIDGE, WOULD YA?

to teach to think about what self will create, before it do and say...

it was to teach humans to not be sucker's, to not be gullible, not to be swayed by self interest and leave a loved one under the bus, for self to escape...

how and what else could teach this?

humanity had to be given a "carrot", to accomplish such things.

how would you propose to create such in a child?

it is of no more essence than that.

so again, the bible never told one damn soul WHAT TO DO, they only read it that way, because they were afraid of NOT GETTING GOOD FOR THEMSELF, WISHING TO GET THEIR OWN HIDE INTO HEAVEN, LOL...

CREATING THE ESSENCE OF ONLY THAT WHICH HAVE "LOVE FOR OTHER'S", AND NOT BE A ****ING WEASEL, AND COWARD ITSELF, OR OF "COMMON GOOD" AS ONE, carry human civilization to the next phase, or cycle...

but, "in between" cycles, IS SPRING BREAK...

JUST LIKE HUMAN SCHOOLS, LOL....

spring break 2012, coming to a planet near you...




Abracadabra's photo
Fri 10/15/10 08:56 PM

IT DOES NOT SAY TO "NOT JUDGE", it simply declare a principle, that self has the OPTION to embrace OR NOT?


Oh David, your divine wisdom never ceases to amaze me. I pray to the infinite well of potentiality that I am never required to debate with you head-to-head.

You are, of course, perfectly correct in your insight and I'm sure you realize that my response to your comment was merely a cosmic dance of ecstasy running free in the wind like a butterfly high on the hallucination of life.


a expertly crafted work of words, specifically designed, to ALLOW SELF INTEREST, or singular motive of self, to trap itself, via it's own FALSE MOTIVE, OF ATTAINMENT FOR SELF ALONE MOST, thus, itself ACTING OUT action's and deeds that would CREATE FOR ITSELF, a miserable sad sorrow filled mortal existence, OR A PASSING THRU HELL, as the mortal experience itself is what be deemed as hell, hell not being anything beyond this mortal realm, BUT, human WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT, until the RIGHT TIME...


Well, let's not get too carried away. Too many begats to be called "interesting" IMHO. laugh

But it's nice to know that some people enjoy the read.


how else could any greater intelligence, create a lessor intelligence, and educate it?


Let me count thy ways,...

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Ok, this is going to take a while, let me get back to you on that one.

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so the book was a plan, not a ****ing set of commandments, never WAS, THE BOOK ITSELF DECALRING THIS...

it was worded to create the FALSE motive within humanity, that the writer's themself didnt even know, and why each one would say, we PROPHECY IN PART...the writer's always being told what to write, but NOT THE END RESULT....


Do you have any more of those mushrooms you're eating?


so again, the bible never told one damn soul WHAT TO DO, they only read it that way, because they were afraid of NOT GETTING GOOD FOR THEMSELF, WISHING TO GET THEIR OWN HIDE INTO HEAVEN, LOL...


Well, most of the people whom the biblical stories are written about typically got their divine insight from shamanic visions and dreamwork, or possibly from the consuming of mushrooms, or the smoking of hemp. Or even from heat stroke from being out in a desert too long.

At least that's my impression. To each their own. drinker


CREATING THE ESSENCE OF ONLY THAT WHICH HAVE "LOVE FOR OTHER'S", AND NOT BE A ****ING WEASEL, AND COWARD ITSELF, OR OF "COMMON GOOD" AS ONE, carry human civilization to the next phase, or cycle...


Well, if we actually witnessed it giving birth to such fruit I would tend to agree with you. However, that hasn't been what we've witnessed historically, unless you think things like the Malleus Maleficarum represents "LOVE FOR OTHERS".

In the meantime, please pass the mushrooms, evidently you've found a pretty potent batch there. bigsmile





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Fri 10/15/10 09:15 PM

there is no place "jesus", or the bible, says not to judge other's, period.

it has been taught that it does, by words from human mouth, that DID NOT WANT TO BE JUDGED THEMSELF, by their friends, follower's, and own families.






No Jesus doesn't specially blurt out for us not to judge. But here's some verses to ponder on about judging others.

Matthew 7:1
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
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Matthew 7:2
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

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