the problem here is that you all are arguing over what each of you BELIEVES. no one here was there as an eye witness to anything, so each of you is trying to convince the other with what each of you believes in. if you believed in the same writtings then i'm sure you all would find something else to argue over.

you like ice cream?
why yes indead, i do like ice cream. vanilla is the best.
oh no, i like ice cream, but chocolate is far superior to vanilla.

this could go on and on for you guys. and asking someone who is not properly trained in something is pointless. if you have a question about the jewish religion i'm sure there is a rabbi who can answer that for you. likewise there are professional people in each of the fields you all are disputing over. why not ask a professional and get a real answer. maybe you all enjoy trying to get the better of each other.

by the way reading SOME of the posts is entertaining.

in the bible adam had flesh before any other human and also didn't pop out of a womb like all the other humans including Jesus ...in science humans are mammals and mammals have flesh....which means those on the evolutionary scale that didn't have flesh wasn't at that point in time considered to be human ...

nope..you're assuming things...just because people debate dosesn't mean that they are trying to convince anyone of anything....my reason for debating is because it can place me into the mind frame needed to write scripts for a tv series I'm producing called 'The Book of Lore"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_zhR2OPQI

wow funches, i had no idea. that sounds awesome. good luck to you bro

If the highest priesthood in The Bible, was held by a Gentile who blessed Abraham; how does that make it the Jewish religion?

It says right in Genesis, God made a covenant with Noah, Japheth, Shem, and Ham, and with every living creature... long before there was ever a Jewish person.


Gen.9:8-10 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.





It was the priest of Midian who Moses was praying to when he said this... Numbers 10:31
And he said, Leave us not, I pray thee; forasmuch as thou knowest how we are to encamp in the wilderness, and thou mayest be to us instead of eyes.

Exodus 3:1
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian:


It was the priest of Midian who told Moses to teach the Israelites the law!

And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.

Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.

Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:

And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.

Exodus 18:17-20



It was Nebuchadnezzar who chastened them, and Cyrus king of Persia, who built the temple.


If you look at the genealogy in the Bible, you'll see that even King David, and Solomon had a lot of Gentile blood.



God hath made of one blood all nations on men to dwell upon the face of the earth; and, his house shall be a called a house of prayer for all nations.

No, God didn't give Adam flesh before any other human.


That's not what The Bible says.

if you have a question about the jewish religion i'm sure there is a rabbi who can answer that for you. likewise there are professional people in each of the fields you all are disputing over. why not ask a professional and get a real answer.

sorry, the point i was trying to make is in the sentence after the one you quoted. there are professional people trained in every religion, those are the people to get real answers from, not just everyday laymen.

Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.



‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
Leviticus 17:11

Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?



the bible was written by men who could observe and make accurate and factual claims just as they do now and who could also tell 'fables' to teach a moral just as they do now,,,

the bible is historical account of men and their relationship to God

Since you're not claiming to be an authority on any of those things....


Does that mean you have given the opinion of, just an everyday layman?

I would respond but knowing you are going to argue and deny every word I say I would rather not waste my time.

An interesting thing about The Bible, is it talks about a lot of things scientists haven't known that long.....



The newspapers carried headlines saying The Bible had been proven wrong!

They said that because somebody made a telescope, and claimed they were able to count 1,046 stars; so the great scientists of the day taught... Science had proven The Bible wrong! they numbered the stars! LOL


Genesis 15:4-6

And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Exactly no matter what evidence or proof we may provide, they don't and won't accept it as true. Things are only true if you accept it as such. Some may say it's true that 32 degrees Fahrenheit is freezing cold, and that is true to them. But someone else may say it's perfect, which is true for them. Things are only true if you are willing to accept it as such. When in reality and fact 32 degrees Fahrenheit is freezing cold in the exact sense, regardless if one wants to accept it as truth or not.

I think the very fact that bible prophecy has come true hundreds of times and hundreds of years after they were written is a pretty strong argument.The bible is currently fulfilling future prophecy.There is no doubt we will see the 7 years of peace between Israel and the Palestine's before the rapture,one world currency,and the Anti Christ from Asia.One of the last prophecies to be fulfilled.

Does that mean if you change your mind tomorrow... God will no longer exist.

Works very well here as well,

Exactly no matter what evidence or proof we may provide, they don't and won't accept it as true. Things are only true if you accept it as such. Some may say it's true that 32 degrees Fahrenheit is freezing cold, and that is true to them. But someone else may say it's perfect, which is true for them. Things are only true if you are willing to accept it as such. When in reality and fact 32 degrees Fahrenheit is freezing cold in the exact sense, regardless if one wants to accept it as truth or not.

yes

perhaps you should do a little research before you post


Genesis 2:23...."At last!" Adam exclaimed. "She is part of my own flesh and bone! She will be called `woman,' because she was taken out of a man."

yes Thomas...I know you would rather argue with someone thats already a believer ...that way you don't have to worry about explaining why a serpent can hold a conversation with Eve

Cowboy...so when you told me that all the babies in the great flood didn't drown because they were all on Noah's Ark....was I supposed to believe you ....and what was the evidence you provided to back up your claim ...as usual none because you were lying

Okay, since you're the one who is into research.... are you trying to claim there was no man before Adam?