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Topic: Iran to the west, let's chat!
davidben1's photo
Tue 10/19/10 09:42 PM
i couldn't agree more.

still does not disprove anything written?

what part have i written, that is NOT TRUE?

why is it not true?

yea, ALL CUSTOM'S IN AMERICA, CAME FROM SOMEHWERE ELSE, SINCE WE ALL CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE?

DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE FAIR AND JUST CUSTOM'S?

does not mean they SHOULD DICTATE OUR FUTURE?

are we not supposed to learn BETTER WAYS?

it does mean that to see the fallibility of all things, giving none merit without proof, IS WHAT KEEP GOOD.

believing and issuing some belief that some human thing is by way of "nationality", ALWAYS GOOD, is not reality, and most critical not to believe, when such things create the fate of many.

again, critique is the "only" way to preserve common good for all?

the only thing that even creates sanity.

howard hughs self validateded himself until it created his own demise.

he would not hear any negative aout himself as true.

so why critique be of the most paramount essence, MOST IN MATTER OF POWER AND JUSTICE.

human's are supposed to look for their own error, but do they?

we all know that is the least NATURAL INCLINATION AND HARDEST THING TO DO.

so to not see how POWER, must be scrutinized, and critiqued, IS REMISS, which was the essence of all written,

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 09:50 PM
iran is talkin crap cause they know we won't invade cause us over here will be pissed

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:01 PM
also is iran helping Hamas?are they giving them some nuclear weapon to bomb israel? never could figure one thing why doesn't egypt,jordan and iran take the palestinians to their homeland and quit worring about a "mosque" built by the jews

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:11 PM
i know mosque is islam jews have temples and synagogues,but thats my point

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:18 PM
Ahmadinejah is a represetative of the muslims who don't actually hate us just another country that may want money from us not to invade israel just like we pay egypt....ouch i know but it is possible

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:22 PM
thats why i think Jordan doesn't mess with israel,they also receive the american tax dollars money they don't spend here,and why are we in a recession btw?

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:37 PM
seem s like everytime we are in a recession its either reason for war or because of a war

Lpdon's photo
Wed 10/20/10 03:02 AM

agreed indeed!

all very good points.

but, to suggest, what "America would never do", still undermines any value of what would KEEP US FROM DOING JUST THAT?

scrutiny of America itself, be needed to KEEP SUCH FROM HAPPENING?

and why did you leave out all of history that does not validate your own point?

we also killed witches, and anyone found to aid them, and also slaughtered indian's, and killed anyone that aided them, and also enslaved black people, and killed many of them and any found aiding them...

only seeing BOTH SIDES of our history, would be non partisan, or non biased?

not to mention, to only see HALF THE COIN, show motive but to prove what self wishes to prove, to validate the view self wishes to take, showing no want or need to base such on true reality, or ALL THAT HAS ACTUALLY OCCURED?

so to make reality based decision's, upon thinking that show itself is biased, would be to as stated delusional, and conjecture?

for delusional, is to but to see THE PART OF THE FACTS THAT SUITE THE SELF, or TAKING DATA BUT TO PROVE SELF AS SUPREME, in it's perception, thought, motive, and word, and then deeds?

SELF SUPREMACIST, LOL....

that which believe's it's own perception be supreme, with no need for any critique, or ALL FACTS, and soon, no critique even be accepted, and so, THEN WA LAH, BACK TO DICTATOR MENTALITY.

the exact premise of all the last post?

hum...

not to mention, where there is the greatest power, there also be the greatest propensity for corruption, as ALL our media be showing the world each day.

and corruption, bring into question integrity, and integrity bring into question motive, and motive bring into question the merit OF ALL ASSERATION'S, no different if one finds a student cheating, then that student created it's own later scrutiny?

or critque of itself?

still, no valid reason for not embracing critique as the very foundation of all that is good, and just, and what keeps atrocities from occuring at home and abroad, and keeps corruption from compromising our own national security.

just because we bombed someone before, DOES NOT MEAN ALL FURTHER ACTION'S ARE TO BE GRANTED IMMUNITY FROM SCRUTINY?

TAKING THIS TO GIVE "PROOF", THAT ALL BOMBINGS OR KILLINGS OR WAR BE GOOD, is BIASED IN ITSELF.

again, self validating, only USING THE FACTS WISHED, TO PAINT THE DESIRED VERDICT ONE ALREADY WISHED TO GET, to prove only what it wishes to prove, LOL...

and by the way, why the extremist view about "hate"?

why is hate bad?

corruption doth not exist, due to "hate" of corruption?

so hate is not bad either?

you say we did not bomb them for "hate" sake?

but you have no balanced or non partisan view of hate?

we did go to war for "hate", for we hated the inhumane treatment of other's.

awh, but using hate in such context oneself, show this be the only way self view hate, so the only way self use hate ITSELF, which show oneself doth not actually hate, or have extreme dislike, for any torture, or pain, or inhumane treatment of other's, OR, self would have felt EXTREME HATE, AGAINST SUCH THINGS, AND NOT USED THE WORD TO ONLY MEAN HATE AS IN A "BAD THANG", lol...

man...

the view of hate, again, show total bias in the use of data, but to validate oneself?

so this show's a lopsided, or unbalanced perception...

and you wish for me to stake my life and the lives of my loved one's and countrymen on your perception of "nuke em" huh?

no thanks

good luck with that non partisan perception.









What does us dropping the bomb have to do with the "Witch Trials"? Did we practice dropping bombs on the during the Manhattan Project or the Nevada Test and Training Range?

Lpdon's photo
Wed 10/20/10 03:04 AM

iran is talkin crap cause they know we won't invade cause us over here will be pissed


Oh, we will eventually invade and fore that murderous regime out of power, it just may have to wait until 2012.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 10/20/10 03:06 AM

also is iran helping Hamas?are they giving them some nuclear weapon to bomb israel? never could figure one thing why doesn't egypt,jordan and iran take the palestinians to their homeland and quit worring about a "mosque" built by the jews


Iran is not only helping Hamas, Hezbullah, Taliban and AQ. Within a month we have intercepted two weapons and aid shipments from Iran to the Taliban and AQ.

Iran and it's so called President has but publically praised and backed Hamas and Hezbullah and weapons shipments have beeen intercepted from Iran headed straight for those orginizations.

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Wed 10/20/10 03:13 AM

thats why i think Jordan doesn't mess with israel,they also receive the american tax dollars money they don't spend here,and why are we in a recession btw?


Let me give you a little lesson. The UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and several other Middle Eastern countries are allied with Israel for other reasons.

First because Israel is Nuclear, they are not. Simple.

Two because Israel is a "Very Close" ally(at least before Obama took office) of the United States, Canada and the EU. So are the above mentioned countries.

Third, no Middle Eastern country other then Syria want Iran to go nuclear. They see Israel as the potential to stop that by using ANY for necessary. Israel has the only equipment and technology in the entire Middle East to properly handle Iran(hell, we gave them most of it). UAE and the majority of the Middle East was for a pre-emptive strike by the US or Israel before Iran's plant went nuclear.

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Wed 10/20/10 03:17 AM

seem s like everytime we are in a recession its either reason for war or because of a war


No, it's because people don't know how to manage a budget. We wern't in a recession in the 90's were we? We were in the middle of several wars then.

Wars create tons of jobs. Hell the F-35 project is creating thousands of jobs with the different plants opening.

When we build a new carrier, sub, destroyer or any other vessel how many people do you think it takes to build them? A lot and we have a lot of open orders for new equipment. Last but not least, how many jobs does the military create? A lot right there.



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Wed 10/20/10 10:05 AM


seem s like everytime we are in a recession its either reason for war or because of a war


No, it's because people don't know how to manage a budget. We wern't in a recession in the 90's were we? We were in the middle of several wars then.

Wars create tons of jobs. Hell the F-35 project is creating thousands of jobs with the different plants opening.

When we build a new carrier, sub, destroyer or any other vessel how many people do you think it takes to build them? A lot and we have a lot of open orders for new equipment. Last but not least, how many jobs does the military create? A lot right there.




All payed for by taxes. We do need defense spending (there are bad guys out there that mean us harm) but lets get real. Based on the 'funding' of these projects you might as well call these jobs 'government' jobs.

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Wed 10/20/10 02:19 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Wed 10/20/10 02:20 PM


thats why i think Jordan doesn't mess with israel,they also receive the american tax dollars money they don't spend here,and why are we in a recession btw?


Let me give you a little lesson. The UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and several other Middle Eastern countries are allied with Israel for other reasons.

First because Israel is Nuclear, they are not. Simple.

Two because Israel is a "Very Close" ally(at least before Obama took office) of the United States, Canada and the EU. So are the above mentioned countries.

Third, no Middle Eastern country other then Syria want Iran to go nuclear. They see Israel as the potential to stop that by using ANY for necessary. Israel has the only equipment and technology in the entire Middle East to properly handle Iran(hell, we gave them most of it). UAE and the majority of the Middle East was for a pre-emptive strike by the US or Israel before Iran's plant went nuclear.
Israel has to be the worst ally ever. I suppose if a poll were held in the middle east the majority would say Israel should give up its nukes also. I couldnt find any evidence at all to support your claim that no other middle eastern countries wish Iran to have the bomb. I sometimes think you imagine the world as you wish it to be and not how it realy is. I did find this though from the BBC.
Doesn't the Non-Aligned Movement support Iran?

The NAM, representing 120 nations, issued a statement in July 2008 supporting Iran's right to develop peaceful nuclear power. Iran said this reflected international support for its position. The statement did not directly criticise UN sanctions against Iran, though it said that any issues should be dealt within the IAEA. It also appeared to accept that there are some problems remaining when it said: "Diplomacy and dialogue through peaceful means must continue to find a comprehensive and long-term solution to the Iranian nuclear issue."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4031603.stm


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Tue 01/04/11 11:03 PM



thats why i think Jordan doesn't mess with israel,they also receive the american tax dollars money they don't spend here,and why are we in a recession btw?


Let me give you a little lesson. The UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and several other Middle Eastern countries are allied with Israel for other reasons.

First because Israel is Nuclear, they are not. Simple.

Two because Israel is a "Very Close" ally(at least before Obama took office) of the United States, Canada and the EU. So are the above mentioned countries.

Third, no Middle Eastern country other then Syria want Iran to go nuclear. They see Israel as the potential to stop that by using ANY for necessary. Israel has the only equipment and technology in the entire Middle East to properly handle Iran(hell, we gave them most of it). UAE and the majority of the Middle East was for a pre-emptive strike by the US or Israel before Iran's plant went nuclear.
Israel has to be the worst ally ever. I suppose if a poll were held in the middle east the majority would say Israel should give up its nukes also. I couldnt find any evidence at all to support your claim that no other middle eastern countries wish Iran to have the bomb. I sometimes think you imagine the world as you wish it to be and not how it realy is. I did find this though from the BBC.
Doesn't the Non-Aligned Movement support Iran?

The NAM, representing 120 nations, issued a statement in July 2008 supporting Iran's right to develop peaceful nuclear power. Iran said this reflected international support for its position. The statement did not directly criticise UN sanctions against Iran, though it said that any issues should be dealt within the IAEA. It also appeared to accept that there are some problems remaining when it said: "Diplomacy and dialogue through peaceful means must continue to find a comprehensive and long-term solution to the Iranian nuclear issue."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4031603.stm




You mean one of the best Allies we have. Hell, they waarned us WAY in advance about 9/11 and even gave us the name of a couple of the Terrorist\Hijackers.

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