This entire thread disgusts me. no woman wants to be beaten or abused. no woman is responsible for the behavior of a man that does such a thing. no one/no woman deserves to be beaten or abused. abusers should be jailed as lowest life forms. Agencies that attempt to minimize the consequences or the reports of abuse that come to them should lose their funding. immediately.

at least in this country violence and abuse of women is illegal. The UAR needs to suffer worldwide economic boycott until violence - all violence - against women is criminal. The overwhelming violence against women that is still tolerated and under reported in this country should have all the guys on here seriously thinking about trying to understand some of the cautions and issues women have before jumping up to express your nice guy innocence- have you ever criticized a woman to gain control of her, or pushed her out of the way, or told her she wasn't capable of something becasue shes' a woman. No? Good. because those are all examples of abuse that will only escalate and get worse with time (ladies) The violence against women in this country is overwhelming. the men on here may not be those men, I hope not. but the violence against women cannot be denied - cannot be minimized - cannot be excused.

Every woman, whether she admits it or not, goes into every first meeting hoping (somewhere in the back of her mind) that the guy isnt a beater. Me? - I obtained hands that r licsenced... as for the comment below- only a total azzhl would say something like that - even as a joke.
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there are all types of relationships, if she is foolish enough not to mind being hit with a phone book(didnt know that doesnt leave marks, seems like it would),, than thats on her dude

so it is the woman's fault? is that what your saying? someone who is scared and dosn't know what to do for fear of getting beat more?
i won't argue that some women actually want that, but i feel that most don't... when one person gets inside anothers head, the damage can be severe... so a lot of these women may want the help, but do not know how to reach for it without getting hurt.

I agree, but if its a consentual relationship( I think some here are confusing fear or inaction with consent), I really cant get too upset about it,,,

So if you were in a relationship with a man and he started hitting and slapping you for any number of reasons you would be ok with it?

thats a bit personal, I will just say, although I would never condone a punch or an all out assault, I have had partners with whom I understood things would occasionally be 'rough'

never caused me hospitalization or bruises though, as I said , one persons aggressive play is anothers discipline and yet anothers abuse,, its about personal tolerance and it should remain a personal choice,,,

imho

That's just beyond stupid and what keeps abuse going in the US and should be ashamed of accepting such behavior from a mate condoning it keeps it going and teaches him nothing.....

tell me , if there are reasonable safety guidelines, why it is anymore 'stupid' than contact sports like football or boxing?(which are actually MUCH more potentially harmful)?

it is a cultural determination and cultural views which cause people to have tunnelvision and be so inconsistent in how they look at the world

grown ups can consent to things that others dont wish to do but it does not have anything to do with being stupid,, it has to do with personal interests, personal tastes, personal values, AND personal tolerance

Acceptance of these types of behaviours is what gets people killed not matter the cultural aspect and the cultural aspect is american not african not asian not caucasian not hispanic or indian but american and the country we happen to live in if you havent forgetten and gotten too caught up in our heritages. You can practice your heritages here but within American laws and policies, not policies and laws left behind. This is America and American culture, beliefs, laws and until we actually stop seperating ourselves culturally and adopt our own culture of America racism will reign by perpetuation of divisions..........

this isnt about racism, my post WAS about american culture, and sensational thought is a product of americas acceptance of sensationalism

not EVERY physical contact is ABUSIVE, and to say that ANY physical contact (from merely 'putting your hands on' someone) is a catalyst for EXTREME or ABUSIVE physical contact totally ignores the whole SPECTRUM of physical contact in between,,,,