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Topic: Islamic Court, Wife Beating Okay
Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 07:00 PM
its all personal preference,, some like a spanking(the harder the better) , some would shoot you for even pushing them good to know your partner,,, Being spanked during sex is quite different from being beaten and abused only if one is consenting to the spanking, otherwise its assault just like any other,, Agreed, but still no one consents to being beaten and abused and if they do they need help out of the situation they are in because they may not know they are being abused.......when someone is used to something through life and no no other way of living this is normal for them and intervention before someone dies is necessary......

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/24/10 07:01 PM
its all personal preference,, some like a spanking(the harder the better) , some would shoot you for even pushing them good to know your partner,,, Being spanked during sex is quite different from being beaten and abused only if one is consenting to the spanking, otherwise its assault just like any other,, Agreed, but still no one consents to being beaten and abused and if they do they need help out of the situation they are in because they may not know they are being abused.......when someone is used to something through life and no no other way of living this is normal for them and intervention before someone dies is necessary...... for me, this is a debate of semantics, because what is ABUSE is entirely subjective to the person there is a whole LIFESTYLE devoted to pain and spanking and piercing and all sorts of PAINFUL interactions between CONSENTING adults,,and they dont consider it abuse

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Sun 10/24/10 07:06 PM Edited by MiddleEarthling on Sun 10/24/10 07:07 PM
This is why I stopped replying to some people...they'd have to be a real low-life idiot for me to totally ignore. Some are working hard for the honor but only a few gain it. How could anyone with any morals make fun of or dismiss this chit? "MURDER In 2005, 1,181 women were murdered by an intimate partner. That's an average of three women every day. Of all the women murdered in the U.S., about one-third were killed by an intimate partner. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE (Intimate Partner Violence or Battering) Domestic violence can be defined as a pattern of abusive behavior in any relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over an intimate partner. According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, women experience about 4.8 million intimate partner-related physical assaults and rapes every year. Less than 20 percent of battered women sought medical treatment following an injury. SEXUAL VIOLENCE According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006. That's more than 600 women every day. Other estimates, such as those generated by the FBI, are much lower because they rely on data from law enforcement agencies. A significant number of crimes are never even reported for reasons that include the victim's feeling that nothing can/will be done and the personal nature of the incident. THE TARGETS Young women, low-income women and some minorities are disproportionately victims of domestic violence and rape. Women ages 20-24 are at greatest risk of nonfatal domestic violence, and women age 24 and under suffer from the highest rates of rape. The Justice Department estimates that one in five women will experience rape or attempted rape during their college years, and that less than five percent of these rapes will be reported. Income is also a factor: the poorer the household, the higher the rate of domestic violence -- with women in the lowest income category experiencing more than six times the rate of nonfatal intimate partner violence as compared to women in the highest income category. When we consider race, we see that African-American women face higher rates of domestic violence than white women, and American-Indian women are victimized at a rate more than double that of women of other races.12 IMPACT ON CHILDREN According to the Family Violence Prevention Fund, "growing up in a violent home may be a terrifying and traumatic experience that can affect every aspect of a child's life, growth and development. . . . children who have been exposed to family violence suffer symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, such as bed-wetting or nightmares, and were at greater risk than their peers of having allergies, asthma, gastrointestinal problems, headaches and flu." In addition, women who experience physcial abuse as children are at a greater risk of victimization as adults, and men have a far greater (more than double) likelihood of perpetrating abuse."

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 07:07 PM
its all personal preference,, some like a spanking(the harder the better) , some would shoot you for even pushing them good to know your partner,,, Being spanked during sex is quite different from being beaten and abused only if one is consenting to the spanking, otherwise its assault just like any other,, Agreed, but still no one consents to being beaten and abused and if they do they need help out of the situation they are in because they may not know they are being abused.......when someone is used to something through life and no no other way of living this is normal for them and intervention before someone dies is necessary...... for me, this is a debate of semantics, because what is ABUSE is entirely subjective to the person there is a whole LIFESTYLE devoted to pain and spanking and piercing and all sorts of PAINFUL interactions between CONSENTING adults,,and they dont consider it abuse Funny how the law is very clear cut and concise.........I worked in domestic violence and saw women and children that feared going outside afraid of being seen or a hit out on them have their whole identies and locations changed so no there really are no consent even in consent the law views it illegal......period no semantics to it

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/24/10 07:12 PM
I am not making fun or making light of anything. IM pointing out the reality that some wish not to see that all forms of physical discipline are not BEATING or VISCIOUS or even CRIMINAL the op states that 'A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.' well, I was one of those children who was spanked, and it left no marks but taught me discipline. I was not ABUSED or BEATEN although some would insist that it be called that. there is ALOT of gray area when it comes to discipline and I dont get so appalled when I hear about it in families or consentual adult relationships if there is no CONSENT, or AGREEMENT, or if there is only consent because of FEAR(and not shared values), that is a DIFFERENT THING but the OP does not indicate that this is the case,,the OP is talking about a cultural standard that really doesnt appall me as much as many would like to preach to me it should I dont condone ABUSIVE NONCONSENTUAL activity, whether it be sex or spankings or fighting I do condone individuals RIGHTS to decide the guidelines of their culture, their lifestyle, or their relationships though,,even if it involves physical contacts,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 07:23 PM
I am not making fun or making light of anything. IM pointing out the reality that some wish not to see that all forms of physical discipline are not BEATING or VISCIOUS or even CRIMINAL the op states that 'A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.' well, I was one of those children who was spanked, and it left no marks but taught me discipline. I was not ABUSED or BEATEN although some would insist that it be called that. there is ALOT of gray area when it comes to discipline and I dont get so appalled when I hear about it in families or consentual adult relationships if there is no CONSENT, or AGREEMENT, or if there is only consent because of FEAR(and not shared values), that is a DIFFERENT THING but the OP does not indicate that this is the case,,the OP is talking about a cultural standard that really doesnt appall me as much as many would like to preach to me it should I dont condone ABUSIVE NONCONSENTUAL activity, whether it be sex or spankings or fighting I do condone individuals RIGHTS to decide the guidelines of their culture, their lifestyle, or their relationships though,,even if it involves physical contacts,,, Really because by law palcing your hands on another individual even if just witnessed and charges brought by a witness is still punishable

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 07:23 PM Edited by Seakolony on Sun 10/24/10 07:24 PM
Oops dbl click faux pas

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/24/10 07:32 PM
I am not making fun or making light of anything. IM pointing out the reality that some wish not to see that all forms of physical discipline are not BEATING or VISCIOUS or even CRIMINAL the op states that 'A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.' well, I was one of those children who was spanked, and it left no marks but taught me discipline. I was not ABUSED or BEATEN although some would insist that it be called that. there is ALOT of gray area when it comes to discipline and I dont get so appalled when I hear about it in families or consentual adult relationships if there is no CONSENT, or AGREEMENT, or if there is only consent because of FEAR(and not shared values), that is a DIFFERENT THING but the OP does not indicate that this is the case,,the OP is talking about a cultural standard that really doesnt appall me as much as many would like to preach to me it should I dont condone ABUSIVE NONCONSENTUAL activity, whether it be sex or spankings or fighting I do condone individuals RIGHTS to decide the guidelines of their culture, their lifestyle, or their relationships though,,even if it involves physical contacts,,, Really because by law palcing your hands on another individual even if just witnessed and charges brought by a witness is still punishable its gotta be a rare case that a WITNESS word is going to be taken over the persons involved without FURTHER evidence(like bruising or scarring or hospital bill) its not abuse if I have consented and there is no apparent distress caused,,,or else dominatrixes all over the country would be shut down,,lol

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Sun 10/24/10 07:47 PM
OP ... "UAE Islamic Court, Wife Beating: United Arab Emirates Federal Supreme Court Okay if Leaves No Physical Marks (Cuts & Bruises) The United Arab Emirates Federal Supreme Court has given official permission for men to beat their wives in line with Islamic tradition. A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks. This follows on the heels of prominent Islamic scholars who have voiced similar opinions. It might be pointed out that even in Western society wife beating was legal in some circumstances and locations in the United States for example until explicitly outlawed in 1870. The UAE ruling specifies that no physical marks may be left, though this leaves open questions of the degree that this entails. This is in contrast to a UAE case in which a man who left cuts & bruises on wife & adult daughter which was ruled criminal, specifically “guilty of harming” the women, but not of the disciplinary action itself. Posted on October 19th, 2010 " Small steps... Coming from a Islamic world point of view... This is better by a magnatude of geometrical proportions to 'a man may stone his wife to death'... Given time, understanding, prayer, and hope this step will become an ever better step. All things in just measure.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 07:49 PM
I am not making fun or making light of anything. IM pointing out the reality that some wish not to see that all forms of physical discipline are not BEATING or VISCIOUS or even CRIMINAL the op states that 'A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.' well, I was one of those children who was spanked, and it left no marks but taught me discipline. I was not ABUSED or BEATEN although some would insist that it be called that. there is ALOT of gray area when it comes to discipline and I dont get so appalled when I hear about it in families or consentual adult relationships if there is no CONSENT, or AGREEMENT, or if there is only consent because of FEAR(and not shared values), that is a DIFFERENT THING but the OP does not indicate that this is the case,,the OP is talking about a cultural standard that really doesnt appall me as much as many would like to preach to me it should I dont condone ABUSIVE NONCONSENTUAL activity, whether it be sex or spankings or fighting I do condone individuals RIGHTS to decide the guidelines of their culture, their lifestyle, or their relationships though,,even if it involves physical contacts,,, Really because by law palcing your hands on another individual even if just witnessed and charges brought by a witness is still punishable its gotta be a rare case that a WITNESS word is going to be taken over the persons involved without FURTHER evidence(like bruising or scarring or hospital bill) its not abuse if I have consented and there is no apparent distress caused,,,or else dominatrixes all over the country would be shut down,,lol Okay even if ahe consents to abuse its still abuse and prosecutable by witness statement if the state believes the witness the person maybe afraid and consents out of fear........even if forcibly dragging a woman by the wrist out of the store mental abuse and physical abuse controlling her from requesting help. Silence is not consent

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 07:50 PM
I am not making fun or making light of anything. IM pointing out the reality that some wish not to see that all forms of physical discipline are not BEATING or VISCIOUS or even CRIMINAL the op states that 'A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.' well, I was one of those children who was spanked, and it left no marks but taught me discipline. I was not ABUSED or BEATEN although some would insist that it be called that. there is ALOT of gray area when it comes to discipline and I dont get so appalled when I hear about it in families or consentual adult relationships if there is no CONSENT, or AGREEMENT, or if there is only consent because of FEAR(and not shared values), that is a DIFFERENT THING but the OP does not indicate that this is the case,,the OP is talking about a cultural standard that really doesnt appall me as much as many would like to preach to me it should I dont condone ABUSIVE NONCONSENTUAL activity, whether it be sex or spankings or fighting I do condone individuals RIGHTS to decide the guidelines of their culture, their lifestyle, or their relationships though,,even if it involves physical contacts,,, Really because by law palcing your hands on another individual even if just witnessed and charges brought by a witness is still punishable its gotta be a rare case that a WITNESS word is going to be taken over the persons involved without FURTHER evidence(like bruising or scarring or hospital bill) its not abuse if I have consented and there is no apparent distress caused,,,or else dominatrixes all over the country would be shut down,,lol Okay even if ahe consents to abuse its still abuse and prosecutable by witness statement if the state believes the witness the person maybe afraid and consents out of fear........even if forcibly dragging a woman by the wrist out of the store mental abuse and physical abuse controlling her from requesting help. Silence is not consent

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/24/10 07:53 PM
I am not making fun or making light of anything. IM pointing out the reality that some wish not to see that all forms of physical discipline are not BEATING or VISCIOUS or even CRIMINAL the op states that 'A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.' well, I was one of those children who was spanked, and it left no marks but taught me discipline. I was not ABUSED or BEATEN although some would insist that it be called that. there is ALOT of gray area when it comes to discipline and I dont get so appalled when I hear about it in families or consentual adult relationships if there is no CONSENT, or AGREEMENT, or if there is only consent because of FEAR(and not shared values), that is a DIFFERENT THING but the OP does not indicate that this is the case,,the OP is talking about a cultural standard that really doesnt appall me as much as many would like to preach to me it should I dont condone ABUSIVE NONCONSENTUAL activity, whether it be sex or spankings or fighting I do condone individuals RIGHTS to decide the guidelines of their culture, their lifestyle, or their relationships though,,even if it involves physical contacts,,, Really because by law palcing your hands on another individual even if just witnessed and charges brought by a witness is still punishable its gotta be a rare case that a WITNESS word is going to be taken over the persons involved without FURTHER evidence(like bruising or scarring or hospital bill) its not abuse if I have consented and there is no apparent distress caused,,,or else dominatrixes all over the country would be shut down,,lol Okay even if ahe consents to abuse its still abuse and prosecutable by witness statement if the state believes the witness the person maybe afraid and consents out of fear........even if forcibly dragging a woman by the wrist out of the store mental abuse and physical abuse controlling her from requesting help. Silence is not consent I have conceded that if its out of FEAR its a different story than a CONSENTUAL standard between two adults in a relationship

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Sun 10/24/10 07:59 PM
So an ISLAMIC ideologic court gives what is in essence a BETTER ruling than what might previously have been applied. and everyone discusses it as though the plethora of American idologies applies... I see the decision posted originally as a step in the right direction for an islamic country. What does american values of consent and such have to do with the original post. That post shows a small step in the right direction and gives me hope that the world will someday be a better place for all.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/24/10 08:02 PM
agreed,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/24/10 08:05 PM
So an ISLAMIC ideologic court gives what is in essence a BETTER ruling than what might previously have been applied. and everyone discusses it as though the plethora of American idologies applies... I see the decision posted originally as a step in the right direction for an islamic country. What does american values of consent and such have to do with the original post. That post shows a small step in the right direction and gives me hope that the world will someday be a better place for all. When in other countries we must abide by their laws and vise versa we are not their governments so therefore can not be the world spolice its not our job......if they should make a refugee law affecting islamic people to seek refugee and abide by our laws then that is all we can do

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Sun 10/24/10 09:12 PM
There is a old saying ""All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke). It is sad and actually pathetic in my view that we are not 100% apposed to this Islamic law.I find it quite fascinating how women(including those on this website)defend this law.You can fight sure put up a fight to the death when it comes to stupid issues like calling a Tea party member a racist.Yet a woman getting beat for issues such as wearing a little make up or looking at another man is a total brush off. I salute those who start these posts and have the guts to speak out against it.To those who defending beating of women your picture should be used for ads for birth control.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sun 10/24/10 09:40 PM
There is a old saying ""All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke). It is sad and actually pathetic in my view that we are not 100% apposed to this Islamic law.I find it quite fascinating how women(including those on this website)defend this law.You can fight sure put up a fight to the death when it comes to stupid issues like calling a Tea party member a racist.Yet a woman getting beat for issues such as wearing a little make up or looking at another man is a total brush off. I salute those who start these posts and have the guts to speak out against it.To those who defending beating of women your picture should be used for ads for birth control. i'm with you on that...men should not hit women under any circumstance, but according to a few on here, it's ok if the woman wants it or its not our law so who cares... i don't get it either.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Sun 10/24/10 09:54 PM
It's getting easier for me to see now why Democrats fought civil rights laws in the past.

Atlantis75 Joined Wed 12/03/08 Posts: 8581	Sun 10/24/10 10:38 PM Edited by Atlantis75 on Sun 10/24/10 10:41 PM
Islamic Court, Wife Beating: UAE (United Arab Emirates) Federal Supreme Court Okay if Leaves No Physical Marks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&feature=player_embedded UAE Islamic Court, Wife Beating: United Arab Emirates Federal Supreme Court Okay if Leaves No Physical Marks (Cuts & Bruises) The United Arab Emirates Federal Supreme Court has given official permission for men to beat their wives in line with Islamic tradition. A man may beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks. This follows on the heels of prominent Islamic scholars who have voiced similar opinions. It might be pointed out that even in Western society wife beating was legal in some circumstances and locations in the United States for example until explicitly outlawed in 1870. The UAE ruling specifies that no physical marks may be left, though this leaves open questions of the degree that this entails. This is in contrast to a UAE case in which a man who left cuts & bruises on wife & adult daughter which was ruled criminal, specifically “guilty of harming” the women, but not of the disciplinary action itself. Posted on October 19th, 2010 http://www.supermediablog.com/news/islamic-court-wife-beating-uae-united-arab-emirates-federal-supreme-court-leaves-no-physical-marks/ In Africa in certain countries, witch hunting is just another thing. They throw the women accused of witchcraft into a pit filled with hay and turn them on fire and watch them burn alive. United States is not invading Africa and there aren't "spreading democracy" there. In Papua New Guinea, cannibalism is still around. Sometimes they eat the recently deceased. United States is not invading New Guinea, to spread democracy. In Cambodia, there is an ongoing war against Thailand, where schools are torched along with the students because they "represent the Thai government". United States in not invading Cambodia to spread democracy. . .. ... .... ...... The United Arab Emirates, along with Saudi Arabia are considered "friendly" with USA, even Bush had a nice tongue kiss with the Saudi ruler back in 2003. How ironic. The only reason you continue to post issues related to the Middle East is because of your hatred against Muslims, it has little to do with human rights violation or anything like that, it's just easy to pick on an issue such as their law system, which is flawed by all means, but I doubt you really care about Arab women's human rights anyway, since they are "Muslims", just like the men there, so I really doubt that you care at all anyway, so it's good to selectively find news about the Muslims, because it's alien to you and you are just afraid. Make sure you check under your bed before you go to sleep, there might be a Muslim hiding there trying to kill you.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sun 10/24/10 10:44 PM
So, it's a good idea to be a dominant man and give yer woman a good whoopin' just to keep her in line? only if she is of the same mind and the WHOOPIN isnt anything extreme,,, i guess it's time to get a beer, put the wife beater on, and get to whoopin... danged woman didn't have my dinner ready on time.... don't worry, i won't leave any marks... maybe a good phone book this time? This entire thread disgusts me. no woman wants to be beaten or abused. no woman is responsible for the behavior of a man that does such a thing. no one/no woman deserves to be beaten or abused. abusers should be jailed as lowest life forms. Agencies that attempt to minimize the consequences or the reports of abuse that come to them should lose their funding. immediately. at least in this country violence and abuse of women is illegal. The UAR needs to suffer worldwide economic boycott until violence - all violence - against women is criminal. The overwhelming violence against women that is still tolerated and under reported in this country should have all the guys on here seriously thinking about trying to understand some of the cautions and issues women have before jumping up to express your nice guy innocence- have you ever criticized a woman to gain control of her, or pushed her out of the way, or told her she wasn't capable of something becasue shes' a woman. No? Good. because those are all examples of abuse that will only escalate and get worse with time (ladies) The violence against women in this country is overwhelming. the men on here may not be those men, I hope not. but the violence against women cannot be denied - cannot be minimized - cannot be excused. Every woman, whether she admits it or not, goes into every first meeting hoping (somewhere in the back of her mind) that the guy isnt a beater. Me? - I obtained hands that r licsenced... as for the comment below- only a total azzhl would say something like that - even as a joke. ********************************************************************* there are all types of relationships, if she is foolish enough not to mind being hit with a phone book(didnt know that doesnt leave marks, seems like it would),, than thats on her dude so it is the woman's fault? is that what your saying? someone who is scared and dosn't know what to do for fear of getting beat more? i won't argue that some women actually want that, but i feel that most don't... when one person gets inside anothers head, the damage can be severe... so a lot of these women may want the help, but do not know how to reach for it without getting hurt.