There is no way there is a creature like the one of man's creation they call god.

The creature they created is too petty, too hypocritical and too ridiculous to exist.

Just like the monsters children create in their imagination.
Too outlandish to be real.

That's what excessive religiosity does to some people. They completely lose their perspective in their religions.

Kerry sorry to hear about your health problems, are you doing better now?

Kerry sorry to hear about your health problems, are you doing better now?

kerryo, i have never been that close to death so i cant tell you that i know or understand how you feel. i can only tell you that i am very sorry and sincerely feel for you. the one thing i am sure of is that God is just, faithful, and true. he may or may not have caused your condition, i dont know. i can tell you that God is not responsible or doesnt cause all the misfortune that comes upon us. satan does not have his hooks in you and your condition may not be cause by sin. i dont know how you feel now but you are still alive today so that has to count for something. please dont let anyone make you feel condemned or guilty about your anger or uncertainty about God for your condition. people fail to realize that God is not this ruthless judge who is waiting to stricken us or strike us down for our disobedience and unbelief. he understands our emotional state more than we do. sorry for being longwinded but i want you to know that whether you belive in him or not, he loves you, and i can tell you that because i know he loves me. he loves the believer and the unbeliever just the same. please grab hold to a little bit of faith and i hope you overcome your condition and live a long and beautiful life.

Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind; and therefore, never send to know for whom the bell tolls-- it tolls for thee.

You could have been honest and admitted you didn't even know there was a book of Jonah. If it can't be used to bash Christianity and it's not a well known verse, you've never heard of it.

Did your religion teach you to be so judgmental of other people or is this just your own personal flaw?

If you are telling the truth, you would have been studying the Bible for close to or more than 40 years, before you met me. I remember the first day you found the Book of Job. You spent 40+ years studying the Bible before you discovered the Book of Job?

You have never shown even a casual knowledge of the Bible. Everyone else might take your claims at face value, but I won't.

How could you remember the first day I found the Book of Job?

You weren't even born yet.

Nor does it even mean to stick to just studying the book called the Bible. In fact, most of my knowledge about why the Bible is false actually comes from information I've gained from sources far outside of the actual Bible itself.

First he claims that Jesus "died" to pay for our sins, then he realizes that Jesus didn't die spiritually and that's what's actually required to pay for sins.

You are right, I won't search through the forums to find that thread. I'm not that interested in proving you a liar. But the thread exists, if anyone wants to go back 2 years or so.



Now the truth comes out.



Not in the least. You have a problem with confusing what you believe and what must be true. Jesus' body died on the cross, Christians and Jews don't believe in death of the spirit (Ecclesiastes 12:7). It's arguable that the soul can die, but that certainly won't happen until after the judgment.

You are right, I won't search through the forums to find that thread. I'm not that interested in proving you a liar. But the thread exists, if anyone wants to go back 2 years or so.



Now the truth comes out.



Not in the least. You have a problem with confusing what you believe and what must be true. Jesus' body died on the cross, Christians and Jews don't believe in death of the spirit (Ecclesiastes 12:7). It's arguable that the soul can die, but that certainly won't happen until after the judgment.

arcamedees, the only reply i have for you is that you are very foolish and unwise. you have no desire for God and to understand truth. one day you will know the reality of God, THIS IS CERTAIN. it is sad that by the time you know him, it will not be his love but his wrath that you experience. i will no longer reply to any of your post. like i said, you are very foolish and it will be a waste of time replying or furthering any conversation with you. abracadabra doesnt agree with me either, but at least i can say that his comments arent silly and i can somewhat understand and relate to his way of thinking because i wasnt always a believer myself. your words are full of air and have no substance or credit behind it, you are just a silly man.

it is amazing how ignorance, in it's plight to prove itself wise, will compare itself to primitve words from 2000 years ago, as the tell of what exist now in itself, for itself, and for all other's.

such would be no different than using a book of how to slay dinasaurs, as the self guide of how to live now.

sheer unsanity.

but, then that is precisely what is being created, by that which is hasty to prayer and request of itself, for a holy spirit.

to use a history book, to prove to self how self is HOLY, is as ludicris and unsane, as using cooking book to prove to self that itself "taste great".

if one needs a book to prove to itself, what exist, what is good, what is bad, who itself is, who itself is not, it prove itself half unsane already, proving itself not in control of it's own mental facaulties.

these shall come to be guilty of the same delusional assessments that made another human assassinate john lennon, that used a book for the guidence of what reality was for itself.

zombies that see a book, as more alive than alive humans, but marching to the self gain prayers of self as holy, even whilst they run swords thru their own fellow man, and lap the flesh and blood of other's from their teeth, for these that had itching ear's but to prove how self was good and vindicated and justified and holy, only fell prey to but using the words of what was LIKE ITSELF, to prove such as true to itself.

for it shall come to be, that if the whole world and all words in the world, do not prove what self knows as correct, even most ones own enemy as the final authority, than self justification shall self rationalize itself into unsanity.

in these days, the most valued possession on earth shall come to be
the information of how to access and weigh self's own sanity, as sanity be washed and eroded from the self validating brains more each day.

Did your religion teach you to be so judgmental of other people or is this just your own personal flaw?

You speak of "bashing" Christianity, but what do you think Christianity does to every other religion on planet Earth?

Christianity is nothing but a continual bashing of all other religions as being "false" and a bashing of atheists as having "rejected" God.

Christians and their jealous bigoted Gods are the religion bashes.

Ever hear the story about people who live in glass houses?

If you want to demand that Jesus is the only begotten son of God and that all other religious and spiritual stories are lies then who's doing the bashing?

Personally I don't care if you want to make a monster out of Jesus. However, if you're going to proselytize it as being the "Only True" religion, then you are automatically "bashing" all other religions in the process.

Clearly you don't even begin to understand other spirituality.

You said that Jesus would need to be a lying Buddhist. But there is nothing at all that Jesus would need to have lied about. The reason being that Mahayana Buddhism is the "Great Vehicle", it embraces all spiritual archetypes which would include the Hebrew mythologies. Obviously it doesn't embrace them as the "Word of God", but that's irrelevant. Even the Gospels don't have Jesus referring to the Torah as the "Word of God", in fact when they do have him referring to the Torah they quote him as saying things like, "Is it not written in YOUR LAW?"

He didn't even refer to it as His Law, or God's Law, or anything like that. He asks them, "Is it not written in YOUR LAW"?

John.10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

See how cleaver Jesus was? He spoke the absolute complete truth from a Mahayana Buddhist point of view. He referred to their mythologies as "Their Law", he referred to himself as the speaker because we are all one, and then he stated what it was that he was pointing to in "Their Laws".

Moreover, if Jesus was a demigod and humans are mere souls that need repentance in order to be accepted as lowlifes in heaven, then why would he have even pointed to the fact that the even the Torah agrees with Buddhism?

There are parts of the Old Testament that do contain wisdom. Let there be no doubt about that. It's a mish-mash of various writings and fables, some have spiritual truth to them, others are utter nonsense and clearly just the egos of men spouting off claiming to speak for God.

The main the to realize is that this is precisely what the cannon of stores are.

Yes, you can find tidbits of spiritual truth within the Bible.

Nowhere did I ever say, or imply that there is no value to anything written in the Bible. All I have ever pointed out is the utter absurdities when they do occur. I'm not interested in the truths that are in the Bible because those same truths can be founds in almost every religion and spiritual philosophy.

So if you ask me if I only focus on the nonsense in the Bible then, yes, of course I do. There's simply not point in worrying about the good stuff, because either the WHOLE THING is the word of a single Jealous Godhead, or it's not.

And clearly it's not. So that's the only thing that's relevant. The overall premise that the Bible is the infallible word of a single jealous Godhead and that all other religions are false, is itself a falsehood.

That's the only point that I care to make.

Truly.

How could you remember the first day I found the Book of Job?

You weren't even born yet.

I'm not the slightest bit interested in your underhanded tactics to attempt to discredit me. In fact, I'm quite flattered. This is the standard tactic people use when they can't address the points I actually make.

I never claimed to know every little thing in the Bible. That simply isn't necessary. Studying the Bible does not mean to just memorize ever story. Nor does it even mean to stick to just studying the book called the Bible. In fact, most of my knowledge about why the Bible is false actually comes from information I've gained from sources far outside of the actual Bible itself.

I also would have never realized that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist had I now discovered and learned about Mahayana Buddhism and their concept of a Bodhisattva. And the doctrine of the "Great Vehicle".

So I haven't limited myself to just the Bible. I've studied religions and spirituality for about 50 years. I probably wouldn't do well in a "bible study" class at a church because I wouldn't give the answers they like to hear.

I'm not interested in the uninteresting trivial. I'm only interested in the big picture.

Can these writings be the infallible word of an all-wise God?

IMHO, no they cannot possibly be any such thing.

Can Jesus be the demigod that is claimed by the hearsay rumors of the New Testament?

No, it simply makes no sense at all.

Just like Cowboy keeps trying to make sense of the Crucifixion.

First he claims that Jesus "died" to pay for our sins, then he realizes that Jesus didn't die spiritually and that's what's actually required to pay for sins.

So then he tries to suggest that Jesus merely made sacrifices so that we wouldn't have to. But that makes no sense either because the whole idea behind a sacrifice is to show sincerity and it would be silly for a demigod to endure suffering and pain so that we are no longer required to verify our sincerity.

Face it, as much as you would love to pretend to just discredit me so that all the good points I make will somehow just go away, it's not going to happen. The Bible makes NO SENSE. It's NONSENSE.

That's just a fact of life and will remain a fact of life even after I'm dead and gone. In fact, it was clearly already a fact of life long before I was born! Even Isaac Newton recognized the truth of what I'm saying. And I'm pretty sure he died before I was born. :bigsimle:

By the way you'd have a hard time discrediting Isaac Netwon, Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, Stephen Hawking, etc.

I mean good luck with that.

Just give up the personal attacks already and stick to the topic material, it makes for a far nicer forum.

How could you remember the first day I found the Book of Job?

You weren't even born yet.

I'm not the slightest bit interested in your underhanded tactics to attempt to discredit me. In fact, I'm quite flattered. This is the standard tactic people use when they can't address the points I actually make.

I never claimed to know every little thing in the Bible. That simply isn't necessary. Studying the Bible does not mean to just memorize ever story. Nor does it even mean to stick to just studying the book called the Bible. In fact, most of my knowledge about why the Bible is false actually comes from information I've gained from sources far outside of the actual Bible itself.

I also would have never realized that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist had I now discovered and learned about Mahayana Buddhism and their concept of a Bodhisattva. And the doctrine of the "Great Vehicle".

So I haven't limited myself to just the Bible. I've studied religions and spirituality for about 50 years. I probably wouldn't do well in a "bible study" class at a church because I wouldn't give the answers they like to hear.

I'm not interested in the uninteresting trivial. I'm only interested in the big picture.

Can these writings be the infallible word of an all-wise God?

IMHO, no they cannot possibly be any such thing.

Can Jesus be the demigod that is claimed by the hearsay rumors of the New Testament?

No, it simply makes no sense at all.

Just like Cowboy keeps trying to make sense of the Crucifixion.

First he claims that Jesus "died" to pay for our sins, then he realizes that Jesus didn't die spiritually and that's what's actually required to pay for sins.

So then he tries to suggest that Jesus merely made sacrifices so that we wouldn't have to. But that makes no sense either because the whole idea behind a sacrifice is to show sincerity and it would be silly for a demigod to endure suffering and pain so that we are no longer required to verify our sincerity.

Face it, as much as you would love to pretend to just discredit me so that all the good points I make will somehow just go away, it's not going to happen. The Bible makes NO SENSE. It's NONSENSE.

That's just a fact of life and will remain a fact of life even after I'm dead and gone. In fact, it was clearly already a fact of life long before I was born! Even Isaac Newton recognized the truth of what I'm saying. And I'm pretty sure he died before I was born. :bigsimle:

By the way you'd have a hard time discrediting Isaac Netwon, Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, Stephen Hawking, etc.

I mean good luck with that.

Just give up the personal attacks already and stick to the topic material, it makes for a far nicer forum.

Cowboy wrote:

Not true. Animals do not have "spirits" so therefore the sacrifice of a spirit is not what is required to pay for our sins. A SACRIFICE of something NEEDED, something you WANT, or something LOVED is needed to pay for our sins. Cause if not required for our lives or loved by us, it's not a sacrifice it's merely a ceremony. As Christians we are to sacrifice pretty much daily, for some not so much everyday.

Cowboy wrote:

For instance, if someone starts trying to cause trouble by calling you everything in the book. We are to turn and walk away "turning the other cheek" and in that we sacrificed our own emotions. We sacrificed our wanting to beat the holy crap out of the person, we sacrificed returning with the insults. We are to keep it bottled in and let the lord do his job and he'll take care of them.

Well, again Cowboy, I'm not impressed in the least by your explanations. You'd probably be better off just keeping your spiritual beliefs to yourself.



This is a rather blatant contradiction is it not? First you claim that Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for us and then you claim that Christians need to sacrifice daily?

With all due respect that makes no sense at all.




This reveals a lot. If you feel that it's a "sacrifice" for you not to give into your egotistical urges to beat the crap out of other people who push your emotional buttons then I truly feel sorry for you indeed. Especially if you are keeping all this bottled up inside of you. You're just creating a pressure cooker that is bound to blow its top eventually when enough steam is built up and you just can't take it anymore.

This is why the Eastern Mystical approach to spirituality is far better. Instead of bottling up your ego and 'suffering' the consequences of not being able to pacify its urges, you simply recognize that the ego is not real, it's not the real you. It's a completely irrelevant illusion. It doesn't need to be defended, nor does it need to be bottled up. Just let go of it entirely, and it will no longer be a bother to you.

Personally I think you would really benefit by some of the lectures by Deepak Chopra on the Eastern Mystical view. He'll clear this all up for you and you will no longer be at the mercy of your emotions. Instead you will become the master of your being.

i wonder why it would be such an insult, to declare jesus as saying the same things as many other in human existence, whom did not endorse self bias as the guide for all other humans?

it seems such would indeed be "anti-christ", or against what "christ" was written to have said, "what you have done unto the "least" of these, is the same as having done it to me"?

and love thy neighbor as thyself...

if jesus and buddha were both alive at the same time, no doubt they would have been best buds, but that which but seeks "love" for itself from "god", has no insight as to what love actually is for other's, the brain being consumed with vision's of meeting the approval of it's declared "god", to make sure itself BE LOVED, and be not cast into hell, if this "god" does not apporve of self...

how can it not be seen, that such wish is but the self want for self run amock, so much so to reach the point, that even the greatest commandment is broken, and distain be taken on for what opposes "self bias" as the guide for all?

would these what uses this mentality, even embrace the forcible removal of what does not agree with itself from society, or from having any input into society?

and such is declared to be the "love of god"?

no doubt, more matching the traits of one named "hitler", and many other dictator's in human history...

but, then humans are supposed to be shaped in the image of "god", and in the lessor image the "devil", so some human's do and will exude freedom for all as soverign free moral agents, just as text as well declared ALL TO BE, and some will use personal want and self favor as bias to want and try to facilitate the eradication of all but itself from earth.

so, some compare buddha as less great and less knowing than "jesus", when jesus himself declared "all as gods", whom do not endorse or embrace personal bias and peronsal favor for personal gain alone as the "good" motive in themself, and most not to use when creating a place for all the children to live...

those that want their personal habits and taste to decide how earth shall be ruled, shall be the one's judged as less knowing, and ignorant, simply having fallen prey to notion's of themself as supreme, with no sight of what any ALL ARE SUPREME would be.

each is indeed a sovereign being.

sovereignty of self ends when anything that self wants to believe or do is attempted to be forced upon another to dictate what their "sovereign" self should do or believe, to suite self.

it seems the very one's guilty of the death of any christ, indeed were these that did not see anything as sovereign but themself, and only stood for one sect or clan as superior, these being the jews, but if the christian's, have come to embrace the same mentality for themself, then are they not as well guilty of the murder of the jesus, even the belief's of jesus, so then against christ in all ways, or anti-christ made manifest...

hum...

and they drink of the cup of the blood of the prophets...

so, the jews belief that they were superior, killed the prophet jesus, and so they drank of the cup of the blood, or embraced the killing of what said they were not superior, and so now the christain's take their place, with the same self as superior fervor, and so are guilty the more of drinking of the cup of the blood of the prophets?

ok...

so, it not's so hard to see whom shall be told to depart from me, i know you not, lol...

the self bias stench fills the air, with the noxious foul breath of the dragon's breath of fire, that seek to prove itself as having supreme belief, and so therefore demand itself superior.

these indeed shall be brought low by the very cosmic operations themself, and those that fight for the common good and common freedom for all shall be brought high by the same.

such shall indeed be proven beyond all perponderance of all doubt of all evidence.