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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. I see no reason to believe that a person's belief is going to have anything at all to do with their eternal fate. That kind of rhetoric only stems from the Abrahamic Religions with their supposed jealous egotistical God who hates anyone who refuses to love him.  Who would want to worship such an ignorant selfish God for eternity anyway? Even if that mythology were true your best bet would be to tell that God to go jump in his lake of fire because he's clearly not worthy of worship. Unless, of course, you'd be willing to worship a demon just to save your butt from death. Personally I would gladly choose death over becoming the mindless slave to an evil demon like the biblical God. Our father hates no one. He only loves. That is why he offers eternal life. If he didn't love you or someone else, would he still offer the eternal life? I think no, but he does. Heaven is merely a gift. Gifts are generally earned in one way or other. Not "bought" but earned through love. umm...If one has to earn a "gift", it's not a gift. It's payment for services rendered. a gift is given in love and not earned. this is very true but in order to recieve that gift one has to reach out and accept it. we who believe reach out with our faith and accept the gift of eternal life that is in Christ Jesus. Then it's not really a gift. Gifts are given, not grabbed. If you have a hammer and I grab it from you, you may say I'm welcome to keep it, but that doesn't make it a gift. So you're saying if someone gives you a gift, you don't reach out and grab it? umm..nope. Either it's put in my hand by the giver OR I pick it up after they've put it down. You said and i quote "I pick it up after they've put it down". That is grabbing the gift my friend. Never said grab it out of their hand or anything of such, just merely stating that you grab the gifts given. |
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umm..nope. Either it's put in my hand by the giver OR I pick it up after they've put it down. It's not that kind of a "gift" Arcamedees. It's the kind of "gift" that retail stores offer. In order to qualify for their "gift", you first have to buy their product at an expensive price. It's the same with the Biblical God's "gift". It's just a gimmick to get you sucked into the product. In order to "qualify" for this so-called "gift", you must first agree to give up your own free will and only do the will of the gift-giver, for the rest of eternity. I've always pointed out that this so-called 'gift' is certainly not FREE. It's the most expensive 'gift' you can possible purchase, and you purchase it by devoting your soul to the WILL of another being for all of eternity. God is offering to BUY your soul essentially. Just like the devil supposedly offers to BUY your soul. This mythology was written by extremely uncouth salesman obviously. 
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umm..nope. Either it's put in my hand by the giver OR I pick it up after they've put it down. It's not that kind of a "gift" Arcamedees. It's the kind of "gift" that retail stores offer. In order to qualify for their "gift", you first have to buy their product at an expensive price. It's the same with the Biblical God's "gift". It's just a gimmick to get you sucked into the product. In order to "qualify" for this so-called "gift", you must first agree to give up your own free will and only do the will of the gift-giver, for the rest of eternity. I've always pointed out that this so-called 'gift' is certainly not FREE. It's the most expensive 'gift' you can possible purchase, and you purchase it by devoting your soul to the WILL of another being for all of eternity. God is offering to BUY your soul essentially. Just like the devil supposedly offers to BUY your soul. This mythology was written by extremely uncouth salesman obviously. No free will given up. I and the others that serve our father serves him willingly. Not under duress or anything of such. We do it out of love and being thankful of the great blessings. And no one said it was a free gift, it's a gift offered for obediance. Aren't all gifts earned in one way or other? Your woman earned the anniversary gift by the things she does, cleaning, cooking, loving you, ect. ALL gifts are earned in one way or other. Gifts are just given out blindly for no reason. |
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If you subscribe to the wrong religion, do u still get points? Not according to most religions... Excuse me Arcamedees, could I have a word with you for a moment? Exactly what are you referring to when you say "most" religions"?  Are you looking at Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the many diverging denominations of Protestantism as "Most Regions"? If so, I think you have fallen into the Abrahamic trap yourself in sense. All these Abrahamic religions are ONE in the SAME religion. Sure, they are all convoluted, diverging, and utterly confused babble of the Abrahamic mythology, but none-the-less, they are all based on precisely the same egotistical jealous Godhead who lusts to be the ultimate authority over his creation which is temporarily out of control. They all worship the same jealous God, and they therefore all carry with them the same hateful bigotry of putting down everyone who doesn't worship their jealous God(s). They created multiple "Gods" simple because they have become so confused and convoluted. But the source of their religious bigotry ultimately stems from their shared belief in a jealous God who hates heathens. But does this single, highly diverged, and utterly confused religion truly represent "most" religions? I personally don't think so. Once the Abrahamic religions are recognized as being merely ONE big confused mess based on a single male-chauvinistic jealous Zeus-like Godhead, then looking around at all the other world religions we simply don't see this kind of religious bigotry. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Wicca, Shamanism, the religion of the North American Indians, and even "Faery Lore" if you want to count that as a "religion" or spirituality, are all fundamentally free of religious bigotry. Sure, there may be some bigoted sects even in some of these, but the main point is that this is not the "basis" of these spirituality. They are not based on a jealous Godhead who hates heathens. The Abrahamic religions that are based on the folklore of the God of Abraham have no choice but to be bigoted religions because the first four of their Ten Commandments of Moses demands religious bigotry. But do they truly represent "most" religions? I guess that all depends on how you view religion on a world-wide scale. I do acknowledge that the Abrahamic religious sects have contaminated most of human religious thought, unfortunately. It's quite unfortunate because it takes something that could be beautiful (spirituality) and makes it filthy with religious bigotry and hatred. It takes spirituality and turns it into something that's truly sick.  Really? So name one religion that gives points for worshiping the wrong religion. Is there an exchange rate? Say, if the wiccans are right, but one says 3 hail mary's for a sin, how many points does that convert to? While some religions might be relatively free of bigotry, they don't, on the whole, give points for doing things according to some other religion. This is just silly. |
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ja1379 wrote: thank you for getting back to the original question. i started this post because i wonder that the question of God being real has to burn in the back of your mind because you really dont know. just because you are not sure of something doesnt mean it is not so. i am so strong in my faith because i am certain that my God is real and that he is the only God. i am 100% sure and i can say that with confidence, boldness and authority. i am willing to put not just my life on it, but also my soul. can you say with 100% certainty that there is no God? think about that, can you really say with 100% certainty that there is no God. you dont have to answer that because i already know. i just want you to think about that. if you think about it, we are the ones who arent real. God created us, we did not create God. your eyes and heart are shut to him so how can you possibly know if you dont desire to. i truly believe that if you sincerely set your heart to know him and seek him, then you will find him. in order to understand or obtain any knowlege you have to first have a desire to learn it. Apparently you totally missed my point. I'm not an atheist. I'm not saying that I don't believe in the spiritual nature of our existence. What I'm saying is that just because I do believe in spirit doesn't mean that I'm going to run off and worship Zeus, or any other blood-thirsty mythological God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and professes to be a jealous egotistical God. ja1379 wrote: let me clear this up for all of you who lack understanding and try to disapprove God by saying that it is man made. many people who want an autobioraphy published, dont write it themselves, they tell the writers what they want readers to know about them. there are still people who listen and obey God. yes man wrote the bible, but it is Gods words. paper and ink mean nothing, it is the message that is of value and that messege is from God given to man. God does speak to his people, just because you choose not to listen doesnt mean he is not speaking. Let me clear this up for you. Just because you have accepted one particular version of one particular mythological fairy tale doesn't make it the "Word of God". Also, if I were to say that I speak for God, and you refused to believe me would you then be rejecting God? Or would you simply be refusing to accept the idea that I speak for God? Think about that for a while. It's absolutely impossible to reject a God by refusing to believe in the hearsay rumors of some mortal men. Therefore it's impossible for it to be a grave "sin" to reject the Bible as the "Word of God", yet this is precisely what the authors of the Bible hold to be true. They claim that's it an unforgivable sin to reject their words as being the "Word of God". Therefore, those authors cannot possibly be telling the truth. They are caught red-handed in an outright lie that can't possibly be true. Also, are you aware that the Bible does not contain a single solitary word from Jesus himself. Nary a one. The entire set of fables is all nothing but hearsay rumors, many of which actually conflict with each other. So to reject these words of men as being the "Word of God" cannot possibly be the same as rejecting a God itself. Thus the Bible is necessarily ungodly, and has absolutely nothing at all to do with any "real" God. The proof is in the pudding. It's absolutely impossible to reject a "God" that hasn't come to you in person in no uncertain terms and revealed itself as the creator of this universe. Anything short of that is necessarily a man-made sham. im sorry for misunderstanding you. i understand now that you are not an atheist and that you do believe in something. this is why i started this post is to get a better understanding of people views(not to argue and dispute) with that being said, to answer your statement about rejecting God, if God sends a prophet or messenger because you are not hearing him directly and you reject the prophet/messenger then you are not rejecting the messenger, you are rejecting God. this is why i dont debate or get mad when someone doesnt recieve what i say. they arent rejecting me, i only speak what i know in the Lord and nothing else. i dont give opinions, just fact. like i said before, God tries to speak to man but some men dont listen or are not at a place in their hearts to hear God. In his love he sends people/prophets/messengers to speak to that individual or nation. you said that you are spiritual, i can tell you that there are only two types of spirits in this world. good spirits(God) and evil spirits(devil). like i said before, i know for a fact that there is only one God because of my experience with him. my faith in this one God is so sure that if every man on this earth denied him, i would still belive and trust in him. |
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ja1379
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umm..nope. Either it's put in my hand by the giver OR I pick it up after they've put it down. It's not that kind of a "gift" Arcamedees. It's the kind of "gift" that retail stores offer. In order to qualify for their "gift", you first have to buy their product at an expensive price. It's the same with the Biblical God's "gift". It's just a gimmick to get you sucked into the product. In order to "qualify" for this so-called "gift", you must first agree to give up your own free will and only do the will of the gift-giver, for the rest of eternity. I've always pointed out that this so-called 'gift' is certainly not FREE. It's the most expensive 'gift' you can possible purchase, and you purchase it by devoting your soul to the WILL of another being for all of eternity. God is offering to BUY your soul essentially. Just like the devil supposedly offers to BUY your soul. This mythology was written by extremely uncouth salesman obviously. you guys arent really getting it. yes you have free will and God wants you to freely love and obey him as he is the Father. do we not want our own children to freely love and obey us as parents. we cant force our children to love us. the point im trying to make is that it is a CHOICE. YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO LOVE OR OBEY HIM. stop thinking that someone is pushing you to. if you choose not to then yes there are consequenses for that choice just as there is for every decision you make in life. if you are in school and you choose not to listen to the instructions of the teacher then you will fail. you will not pass and graduate. can you then say that it is unfair that you failed because you didnt listen and heed instruction? we as parents want the best for our children, thats why we dicipline them and set boundaries for them because they are children and they dont understand everything. we as parents are wiser than children so we instruct them to take the best path in life that keeps them from harm. |
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I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. "Legion" sucked. Of course it would have, Spidey, for you....didn't paint your god very pretty, did it?...not quite the fluffy powdery white winged version, was it???
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I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. "Legion" sucked. Of course it would have, Spidey, for you....didn't paint your god very pretty, did it?...not quite the fluffy powdery white winged version, was it??? Well, yes, the character of God did seem to be a confused child. Theology problems with movies like this don't bother me, they are fantasy afterall, what does bother me is when the plot, characters, acting and dialog are terrible. One of my favorite movies comedies of the 90's was Little Nicky and that portrayed the devil as a sympathetic and lovable character. My main problems with the movie were, as noted above, the plot, characters, acting and dialog. The angels (except for Michael and Gabriel) acted like zombies. Mindlessly attacking the diner, by slowing walking towards it. Michael made it clear that they were an "army", but what army shuffles slowly towards the enemy while the enemy is firing on them? It felt like the movie was cynically trying to tap into the zombie audience. The plot was that God had lost all hope in humanity and was going to send angels to kill people, seemingly at random, but for some reason he picked the child of a chain smoking pregnant waitress to be the target of one of his generals? That makes absolutely no sense. What makes her or her child so special? According to Michael, her child was special, because he refused to kill it. Okay, but why was it made his target in the first place? He's the general, he should be killing high priority targets, not kids who might be born brain dead due to their mother's smoking. And then at the end, we find that God had commanded the extermination of the human race, but he really just needed one of his angels to stand up to his order. This doesn't sound like a god in the true sense, but more like an HP Lovecraft god. Maybe that is what the director was going for, but it did seem rather silly. It sounds like a woman who breaks up with her boyfriend, just to see if he will fight to win her back. I enjoy fiction, even when it has religious overtones, but this movie was just silly and poorly done. I strongly suggest that anyone who is even thinking about watching "Legion" instead rents "Frailty". |
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ja1379 wrote: i dont give opinions, just fact. On the contrary, if it's your opinion that the Holy Bible is the "Word of God", then all you have to offer is an opinion. No facts involved. I've read those stories myself and I personally find them utterly ignorant and absurd. It's my "opinion" that the biblical stories are so utterly unwise and absurd that they can't possibly have come from any "all-wise" supreme being. The God depicted in the Bible isn't even as wise as myself. Why should I believe that a supposedly all-wise being would do things that are so utterly stupid? You have no "facts" at all. All you have is "faith". And faith is nothing more than an opinion. So all you have is an opinion, just like everyone else. Don't let the religion corrupt you into becoming yet another "liar for God". Just fess up that all you have is faith. Period. Just an opinion like everyone else. |
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Well, yes, the character of God did seem to be a confused child. Just like in the bible. At least it was an accurate representation then. I didn't see the movie though. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Fri 10/29/10 01:58 PM
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I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. "Legion" sucked. Of course it would have, Spidey, for you....didn't paint your god very pretty, did it?...not quite the fluffy powdery white winged version, was it??? Well, yes, the character of God did seem to be a confused child. Theology problems with movies like this don't bother me, they are fantasy afterall, what does bother me is when the plot, characters, acting and dialog are terrible. One of my favorite movies comedies of the 90's was Little Nicky and that portrayed the devil as a sympathetic and lovable character. My main problems with the movie were, as noted above, the plot, characters, acting and dialog. The angels (except for Michael and Gabriel) acted like zombies. Mindlessly attacking the diner, by slowing walking towards it. Michael made it clear that they were an "army", but what army shuffles slowly towards the enemy while the enemy is firing on them? It felt like the movie was cynically trying to tap into the zombie audience. The plot was that God had lost all hope in humanity and was going to send angels to kill people, seemingly at random, but for some reason he picked the child of a chain smoking pregnant waitress to be the target of one of his generals? That makes absolutely no sense. What makes her or her child so special? According to Michael, her child was special, because he refused to kill it. Okay, but why was it made his target in the first place? He's the general, he should be killing high priority targets, not kids who might be born brain dead due to their mother's smoking. And then at the end, we find that God had commanded the extermination of the human race, but he really just needed one of his angels to stand up to his order. This doesn't sound like a god in the true sense, but more like an HP Lovecraft god. Maybe that is what the director was going for, but it did seem rather silly. It sounds like a woman who breaks up with her boyfriend, just to see if he will fight to win her back. I enjoy fiction, even when it has religious overtones, but this movie was just silly and poorly done. I strongly suggest that anyone who is even thinking about watching "Legion" instead rents "Frailty". Hmmm..I agree on the army/zombie thing...was weird.....(wasn't it the 'dogs of heaven are released?'...that left me with an impression of 'lower level' angels...weird, I know) I loved the little inferences here and there, and the whole ironic must save this baby concept..(and arriving on 25th december was a clincher!)....I loved the tussle between Gabriel and Michael...Gabriel obeying god to the letter...and Michael disagreeing and disobeying...but ultimately being the hero, through his compassion, love and hope. We get different things from movies...I loved it..you didn't....just another polarity thing between us... thanks for the input though... 
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Well, yes, the character of God did seem to be a confused child. Just like in the bible. At least it was an accurate representation then. I didn't see the movie though. If you ever get around to reading the Bible, let me know if you still feel that way. |
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Well, yes, the character of God did seem to be a confused child. Just like in the bible. At least it was an accurate representation then. I didn't see the movie though. If you ever get around to reading the Bible, let me know if you still feel that way. For a Christian you sure don't mind bearing false witness against your neighbor. You know very well that I have studied the Bible for the better part of 50 years. And yes, the MORE I study that more UTTERLY ABSURD I realize it is. This God depicted in the biblical stories truly would need to have the mentality and LACK OF WISDOM of a very young child to be sure. The absurdities are abound. Just look at how God handled the Canaanites and you'll see the utter stupidity of this supposedly all-wise supreme being. These stories were clearly written by people who were simply attempting to justify their wars and atrocities in the name of a God. No genuinely intelligent being would have ever condoned the crap those people did. The Bible sounds like it was written by morons because it was written by morons. Egotistical, self-centered, and male-chauvinistic morons too boot. How you can defend such moronic behavior in the name of any "God" is beyond me. It's an insult to any supreme being to even suggest that they might be the God of the Bible. |
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Hmmm..I agree on the army/zombie thing...was weird.....(wasn't it the 'dogs of heaven are released?'...that left me with an impression of 'lower level' angels...weird, I know) I loved the little inferences here and there, and the whole ironic must save this baby concept..(and arriving on 25th december was a clincher!)....I loved the tussle between Gabriel and Michael...Gabriel obeying god to the letter...and Michael disagreeing and disobeying...but ultimately being the hero, through his compassion, love and hope. We get different things from movies...I loved it..you didn't....just another polarity thing between us... thanks for the input though... I think they did call them the "dogs of heaven" or something like that, but they could talk and drive cars. They should have been able to understand the basic strategy that "dying is bad". I thought the metal wings were pretty cool and using the edge as a sword was a nice touch. But it was a nice little "cool" moment in a sea of boredom and silliness to me. |
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For a Christian you sure don't mind bearing false witness against your neighbor. You know very well that I have studied the Bible for the better part of 50 years. I know that you make that claim, but you have never given me any reason to believe it's true. Quite the opposite really. |
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2Ti_1:9, Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, This mythology itself constantly shows its own fallacy. If grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, then there would have been no need for any "Great Flood" in the days of Noah. Christianity is truly incompatible with the religious mythology upon which it claims to rest. Moreover, there are so many contradictions in these tales that if there is any "miracle" associated with the Bible it can only be the miraculous amount of people who actually believe in it. Of course, given that as being a "miracle" then the same miracles would apply to the Torah and Quran as well. A lot of people are lost without a leader or King to follow. The Abrahamic religions are fables about a "God King". Everything about this tale resembles and reflects the concepts of an Earthly King, right down to the idea of Satan. Satan was supposedly a fallen angel who thought he could "overthrow" God's kingdom and become "King" himself. Of course, if there is a creator of all that exists it would not be possible to simply "overthrow" it because it doesn't gain its power from "authority", but rather from the very nature of what it is. So the whole idea of a fallen angel thinking that it could "overthrow" the creator of the universe and thus gain the ultimate "authority" is an utterly asinine idea to begin with. The whole fable is precisely written from a human perspective of Earthy Kings. Even Jesus is portrayed as becoming the "King of Kings" (i,e, the ultimate authority). However, before he can lay claim to his kingdom he must first defeat the fallen angel who has given him such grief, including placing him in the most desperate of positions of having to be crucified on a pole to 'win' his supposed war. That very notion right there suggests that God himself views Satan as a VERY SERIOUS THREAT that requires major sacrifices in order to beat. At the end of the fable God finally defeats the fallen angel once and for all. He squishes the head of the fallen angel and then casts it's carcass along with all the souls that the fallen angel has won into the lake of fire where there will be eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth. (nobody wants to be in that crowd) Then the city of Jerusalem is prepared as a bride and the King Jesus returns to re-marry his divorced wife of Israel. In the meantime, all other human cultures were just an "aside" in this creation fable. Just supporting actors and actresses in the central drama of the dance and marital quarrel between God and the Jews. Like most good fairy tales it ends with, "And they lived happily ever after". Now good night children and have sweet dreams. All will be well in the morning, just trust in the Lord of the Israelites. For all other religions and creation stories are false myths created by that nasty fallen angel, Satan. + + + Romans 1:20-32 20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24, Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26, For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27, And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29, Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32, Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. + + + Jer_29:12, Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. Jer_29:13, And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. + + + Ephesians 4:17-20 17, This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19, Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20, But ye have not so learned Christ; + + + |
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Well, yes, the character of God did seem to be a confused child. Just like in the bible. At least it was an accurate representation then. I didn't see the movie though. If you ever get around to reading the Bible, let me know if you still feel that way. For a Christian you sure don't mind bearing false witness against your neighbor. You know very well that I have studied the Bible for the better part of 50 years. And yes, the MORE I study that more UTTERLY ABSURD I realize it is. This God depicted in the biblical stories truly would need to have the mentality and LACK OF WISDOM of a very young child to be sure. The absurdities are abound. Just look at how God handled the Canaanites and you'll see the utter stupidity of this supposedly all-wise supreme being. These stories were clearly written by people who were simply attempting to justify their wars and atrocities in the name of a God. No genuinely intelligent being would have ever condoned the crap those people did. The Bible sounds like it was written by morons because it was written by morons. Egotistical, self-centered, and male-chauvinistic morons too boot. How you can defend such moronic behavior in the name of any "God" is beyond me. It's an insult to any supreme being to even suggest that they might be the God of the Bible. + + + Ab, The wisest you have ever been was when you "almost" became a minister of God's Word. You walked away from the light into outer darkness. Today, you are like a child crying in the dark. (((((((  ))))))) + + + |
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+ + + Ab, The wisest you have ever been was when you "almost" became a minister of God's Word. You walked away from the light into outer darkness. Today, you are like a child crying in the dark. ((((((( ))))))) + + + As soon as I realized that the only way to support these myths is to outright lie, I knew they could not be divine. I would have had to have become a liar to become a minister. Instead I chose to tell the TRUTH. If TRUTH isn't good enough for God, then God isn't worthy of me. |
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CeriseRose
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+ + + Ab, The wisest you have ever been was when you "almost" became a minister of God's Word. You walked away from the light into outer darkness. Today, you are like a child crying in the dark. ((((((( ))))))) + + + As soon as I realized that the only way to support these myths is to outright lie, I knew they could not be divine. I would have had to have become a liar to become a minister. Instead I chose to tell the TRUTH. If TRUTH isn't good enough for God, then God isn't worthy of me. God is Truth... Deu_32:4, He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. 1Ki_17:24, And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth. Psa_69:13, But as for me, my prayer is unto thee, O LORD, in an acceptable time: O God, in the multitude of thy mercy hear me, in the truth of thy salvation. Jer_7:28, But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth. Dan_2:47, The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret. Dan_9:13, As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. Hos_4:1, Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. Mar_12:14, And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? Mar_12:32, And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: Joh_4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Act_10:34, Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: Rom_1:18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Rom_1:25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom_2:2, But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 1Co_14:25, And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. Col_1:6, Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 1Th_2:13, For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2Ti_2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2Ti_2:25, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; Tit_1:1, Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 1Jo_4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 2Jo_1:3, Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. +++ Ab, When you assumed He was lying or that His Word wasn't true...that is where you got off track... Heb_11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." You cannot understand God's Word if you don't trust Him. It is though you can't get past the 1st line...of His Word. "In the beginning God..." Genesis 1:1a +++ |
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You cannot understand God's Word if you don't trust Him. How can I reasonably trust an alleged Creator who gave me a potentially fatal lesion inside my brain before I was born? Actually, the last episode did technically kill me briefly, but I knew what was happening before it got totally past the point of no return and I was in the back of an Advanced Life Support Unit ready to be airlifted to Johns Hopkins if necessary when it happened. And I can hear it now-- God was responsible for the events that brought me back and that I'm not somehow converted by that experience must mean that Satan has it hooks in me somehow. Don't you just love it? The way that people who have NO experience about your particular experiences with Hell on Earth offering their OPINIONS on What Really Happened? -Kerry O., "Touche!" |
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