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I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. So, sterile people MUST abstain, too? And birth control is evil? (Even the recent Popes are lying low on that last one because they don't want an open revolt.) -Kerry O. Yes birth control is wrong. Again sex is for reproduction. And yes sterile people would then have to abstain. Why the big ruckess over sex? If not done for reproduction, what is so majorly important about sex? Why is it that valuable to you? Gee, I don't know-- it brings people closer together than they get being in different skins? It helps people sleep better? Even Biblical figures engaged in it openly? The French call orgasm "Le Petit Mort"-- The Little Death. It's a release of Life Force that makes you feel in your bones that you are still alive. As for trying to persuade people to give up sex and birth control? Good luck with that. -Kerry O. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends. You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong? It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are. If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious. Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference. The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality. But who tells you that? The religion or God outright?? God does. God will tell you anything you wish to learn if you open your heart to him. He will show you the world if you wish. Ok let me put this another way, without the Bible would you "know" it is wrong? Every good hearted person does, weather they are followers of the lord or not. That's where the term good conscience comes from. Someone knows deep down it's wrong to do this or that. But what if they truly love the person, gender or not? How can you say they "know" that's wrong? I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. But then you are denying them what they truly desire. How is that fair to them? You'll answer your question with the answering of my questions - If one truly desires to kill the president. How is fair to deny them of this? - If one truly desires to rob your family of everything you have. How is it fair to deny them of this? Both examples may bring incredibly great joy to someone, why deny them of it? Umm because you are HARMING another person in so doing?? Seems rather obvious to me what the problem is there. In the case of this, who are you harming?? Nobody. You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. Firstly the STD thing is not a result of the act, but the person doing it. If both parties involved are responsible in their sexual activities this is a non issue. Secondly.......what if they don't want that? You're gonna force them into something they don't want? That's not very loving. Besides that, there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway. |
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You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. And what guy would marry an avowed Lesbian? As for #1, if you check the WHO statistics for Africa where AIDS is the most prevalent, I seem to recall that 98% of cases were from het sex. Lesbians have the lowest rate of contraction on the planet and monogamous male couples can't spread what they didn't have to begin with. -Kerry O. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends. You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong? It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are. If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious. Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference. The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality. But who tells you that? The religion or God outright?? God does. God will tell you anything you wish to learn if you open your heart to him. He will show you the world if you wish. Ok let me put this another way, without the Bible would you "know" it is wrong? Every good hearted person does, weather they are followers of the lord or not. That's where the term good conscience comes from. Someone knows deep down it's wrong to do this or that. But what if they truly love the person, gender or not? How can you say they "know" that's wrong? I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. But then you are denying them what they truly desire. How is that fair to them? You'll answer your question with the answering of my questions - If one truly desires to kill the president. How is fair to deny them of this? - If one truly desires to rob your family of everything you have. How is it fair to deny them of this? Both examples may bring incredibly great joy to someone, why deny them of it? Umm because you are HARMING another person in so doing?? Seems rather obvious to me what the problem is there. In the case of this, who are you harming?? Nobody. You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. Firstly the STD thing is not a result of the act, but the person doing it. If both parties involved are responsible in their sexual activities this is a non issue. Secondly.......what if they don't want that? You're gonna force them into something they don't want? That's not very loving. Besides that, there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway. Does not matter, reproduction is the entire purpose for sex. About the STD's. That's true, but homosexuality is one of the major spread of alot of STD's. And you said "there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway". Yes true, but that's not the point. For a homosexual to be bisexual, they would be acting upon another sin. We are only to have ONE sex partner. We are to only have sex with the one we are married to, and we can only be married once. There is no such thing as a divorce. |
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You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. And what guy would marry an avowed Lesbian? As for #1, if you check the WHO statistics for Africa where AIDS is the most prevalent, I seem to recall that 98% of cases were from het sex. Lesbians have the lowest rate of contraction on the planet and monogamous male couples can't spread what they didn't have to begin with. -Kerry O. Fact still remains sex is for reproduction. And for people to be homosexual, they are depriving someone of this action. A homosexual males deprive possible women of having children with them and vise versa for homosexual females. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends. You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong? It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are. If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious. Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference. The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality. But who tells you that? The religion or God outright?? God does. God will tell you anything you wish to learn if you open your heart to him. He will show you the world if you wish. Ok let me put this another way, without the Bible would you "know" it is wrong? Every good hearted person does, weather they are followers of the lord or not. That's where the term good conscience comes from. Someone knows deep down it's wrong to do this or that. But what if they truly love the person, gender or not? How can you say they "know" that's wrong? I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. But then you are denying them what they truly desire. How is that fair to them? You'll answer your question with the answering of my questions - If one truly desires to kill the president. How is fair to deny them of this? - If one truly desires to rob your family of everything you have. How is it fair to deny them of this? Both examples may bring incredibly great joy to someone, why deny them of it? Umm because you are HARMING another person in so doing?? Seems rather obvious to me what the problem is there. In the case of this, who are you harming?? Nobody. You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. Firstly the STD thing is not a result of the act, but the person doing it. If both parties involved are responsible in their sexual activities this is a non issue. Secondly.......what if they don't want that? You're gonna force them into something they don't want? That's not very loving. Besides that, there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway. Does not matter, reproduction is the entire purpose for sex. About the STD's. That's true, but homosexuality is one of the major spread of alot of STD's. And you said "there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway". Yes true, but that's not the point. For a homosexual to be bisexual, they would be acting upon another sin. We are only to have ONE sex partner. We are to only have sex with the one we are married to, and we can only be married once. There is no such thing as a divorce. And what if someone marries and later finds they are unhappy or the guy/girl is abusive or something? You're gonna tell me they are still obligated to stay? I'm sorry but this thinking is extremely archaic and far from loving. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? 
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We are to only have sex with the one we are married to, and we can only be married once. There is no such thing as a divorce. Au contraire. My extremely Catholic ex was married twice and got special dispensations right from Rome to divorce her first ex and marry me. Now get this-- she _then_ kicked me to the curb, divorced me and got approval from the Church by undoing the first annulment. I still don't understand totally, being an agnosic and all--I guess it's a Catholic thing. -Kerry O. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? You are bringing up totally different arguments. That is an ENTIRELY different situation then someone simply being gay. |
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I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? Did you continue to watch Jimmy Swaggart after he got caught doing naughty things with prostitutes? Did you condemn Ted Haggard when he got outed? Or did you pretend it was all his lover's fault and he needed your prayers and understanding? Besides, you're making a completely off-the-wall assumption that a lesbian would want sex with any male, much less her own father. In debate, that tactic is considered dishonest intellectually and is called 'Poisoning the Well'. -Kerry O. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends. You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong? It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are. If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious. Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference. The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality. But who tells you that? The religion or God outright?? God does. God will tell you anything you wish to learn if you open your heart to him. He will show you the world if you wish. Ok let me put this another way, without the Bible would you "know" it is wrong? Every good hearted person does, weather they are followers of the lord or not. That's where the term good conscience comes from. Someone knows deep down it's wrong to do this or that. But what if they truly love the person, gender or not? How can you say they "know" that's wrong? I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. But then you are denying them what they truly desire. How is that fair to them? You'll answer your question with the answering of my questions - If one truly desires to kill the president. How is fair to deny them of this? - If one truly desires to rob your family of everything you have. How is it fair to deny them of this? Both examples may bring incredibly great joy to someone, why deny them of it? Umm because you are HARMING another person in so doing?? Seems rather obvious to me what the problem is there. In the case of this, who are you harming?? Nobody. You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. Firstly the STD thing is not a result of the act, but the person doing it. If both parties involved are responsible in their sexual activities this is a non issue. Secondly.......what if they don't want that? You're gonna force them into something they don't want? That's not very loving. Besides that, there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway. Does not matter, reproduction is the entire purpose for sex. About the STD's. That's true, but homosexuality is one of the major spread of alot of STD's. And you said "there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway". Yes true, but that's not the point. For a homosexual to be bisexual, they would be acting upon another sin. We are only to have ONE sex partner. We are to only have sex with the one we are married to, and we can only be married once. There is no such thing as a divorce. And what if someone marries and later finds they are unhappy or the guy/girl is abusive or something? You're gonna tell me they are still obligated to stay? I'm sorry but this thinking is extremely archaic and far from loving. Think before you jump as the saying goes. Don't jump the gun, make sure your spouse is the right one before you marry them. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? What would be the comparison with a natural relationship like homosexuality and a sickness like incest? |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends. You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong? It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are. If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious. Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference. The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality. But who tells you that? The religion or God outright?? God does. God will tell you anything you wish to learn if you open your heart to him. He will show you the world if you wish. Ok let me put this another way, without the Bible would you "know" it is wrong? Every good hearted person does, weather they are followers of the lord or not. That's where the term good conscience comes from. Someone knows deep down it's wrong to do this or that. But what if they truly love the person, gender or not? How can you say they "know" that's wrong? I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. But then you are denying them what they truly desire. How is that fair to them? You'll answer your question with the answering of my questions - If one truly desires to kill the president. How is fair to deny them of this? - If one truly desires to rob your family of everything you have. How is it fair to deny them of this? Both examples may bring incredibly great joy to someone, why deny them of it? Umm because you are HARMING another person in so doing?? Seems rather obvious to me what the problem is there. In the case of this, who are you harming?? Nobody. You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. Firstly the STD thing is not a result of the act, but the person doing it. If both parties involved are responsible in their sexual activities this is a non issue. Secondly.......what if they don't want that? You're gonna force them into something they don't want? That's not very loving. Besides that, there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway. Does not matter, reproduction is the entire purpose for sex. About the STD's. That's true, but homosexuality is one of the major spread of alot of STD's. And you said "there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway". Yes true, but that's not the point. For a homosexual to be bisexual, they would be acting upon another sin. We are only to have ONE sex partner. We are to only have sex with the one we are married to, and we can only be married once. There is no such thing as a divorce. And what if someone marries and later finds they are unhappy or the guy/girl is abusive or something? You're gonna tell me they are still obligated to stay? I'm sorry but this thinking is extremely archaic and far from loving. Think before you jump as the saying goes. Don't jump the gun, make sure your spouse is the right one before you marry them. Obviously you'd want to I think anyone would, but we all make mistakes too including in relationships. In a perfect world, no one would make a mistake in who they choose to be with, but we don't live in that. |
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? What would be the comparison with a natural relationship like homosexuality and a sickness like incest? Exactly. |
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Fact still remains sex is for reproduction. And for people to be homosexual, they are depriving someone of this action. A homosexual males deprive possible women of having children with them and vise versa for homosexual females. Well speaking of deprivation, nobody does that like religious figures who take vows of celibacy. Sheesh, what a totally parochial mindset! Care to put that postulate to a vote? -Kerry O. |
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BTW Cowboy you never did answer me before, if sex is simply for reproduction, are you or are you not saying that a married couple cannot have sex once they can no longer bear kids?
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Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends. You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong? It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are. If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious. Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference. The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality. But who tells you that? The religion or God outright?? God does. God will tell you anything you wish to learn if you open your heart to him. He will show you the world if you wish. Ok let me put this another way, without the Bible would you "know" it is wrong? Every good hearted person does, weather they are followers of the lord or not. That's where the term good conscience comes from. Someone knows deep down it's wrong to do this or that. But what if they truly love the person, gender or not? How can you say they "know" that's wrong? I love everyone, I love you, I love funches. I would not sleep with either one of you though. That's where the decision on an action comes in. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to sleep with them, and that is exactly what homosexuality is. It is sexual actions between two people of the same gender. Same gender sex has no productivity. Sex is for REPRODUCTION. Homosexuals can not reproduce from having sex with one another, it is purely for the physical pleasure, the lustful desire. But then you are denying them what they truly desire. How is that fair to them? You'll answer your question with the answering of my questions - If one truly desires to kill the president. How is fair to deny them of this? - If one truly desires to rob your family of everything you have. How is it fair to deny them of this? Both examples may bring incredibly great joy to someone, why deny them of it? Umm because you are HARMING another person in so doing?? Seems rather obvious to me what the problem is there. In the case of this, who are you harming?? Nobody. You aren't harming anyone? hmmm 1. Homosexuality is a great cause/spreader of STD's 2. No child comes of your sexual actions, and that would be depriving someone of making a family eg., The homosexual partners could be with a heterosexual making a family. Mostly with #2 is why it's wrong, for sex is for just that, reproduction. Firstly the STD thing is not a result of the act, but the person doing it. If both parties involved are responsible in their sexual activities this is a non issue. Secondly.......what if they don't want that? You're gonna force them into something they don't want? That's not very loving. Besides that, there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway. Does not matter, reproduction is the entire purpose for sex. About the STD's. That's true, but homosexuality is one of the major spread of alot of STD's. And you said "there's still plenty of available heterosexual partners out there anyway". Yes true, but that's not the point. For a homosexual to be bisexual, they would be acting upon another sin. We are only to have ONE sex partner. We are to only have sex with the one we are married to, and we can only be married once. There is no such thing as a divorce. And what if someone marries and later finds they are unhappy or the guy/girl is abusive or something? You're gonna tell me they are still obligated to stay? I'm sorry but this thinking is extremely archaic and far from loving. Think before you jump as the saying goes. Don't jump the gun, make sure your spouse is the right one before you marry them. Obviously you'd want to I think anyone would, but we all make mistakes too including in relationships. In a perfect world, no one would make a mistake in who they choose to be with, but we don't live in that. Mark 10:6-9 But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate Mark 10:11-12 [Jesus] answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.” Luke 16:18 Jesus is quoted again, saying, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. |
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BTW Cowboy you never did answer me before, if sex is simply for reproduction, are you or are you not saying that a married couple cannot have sex once they can no longer bear kids? Sex outside of reproduction would be lust. Lusting for the physical pleasures of sex. |
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BTW Cowboy you never did answer me before, if sex is simply for reproduction, are you or are you not saying that a married couple cannot have sex once they can no longer bear kids? Sex outside of reproduction would be lust. Lusting for the physical pleasures of sex. That's what I thought. So not only are you denying certain groups of people the pleasure that comes with sex, but already MARRIED couples now too. Nice, real nice that. |
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BTW Cowboy you never did answer me before, if sex is simply for reproduction, are you or are you not saying that a married couple cannot have sex once they can no longer bear kids? Sex outside of reproduction would be lust. Lusting for the physical pleasures of sex. That's what I thought. So not only are you denying certain groups of people the pleasure that comes with sex, but already MARRIED couples now too. Nice, real nice that. Why is it so important to have sex outside of reproduction? Why is the physical pleasure that important? Why can't a couple find other things to do to bring passion to their relationships? Why does it have to be sex? |
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