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Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 01/03/11 10:05 PM
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Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/03/11 10:06 PM
These quotes are out of control on this page it takes ten years to scroll Thanks Kleisto Welcome, yeah I am noticing that, will try to limit it after now.

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 10:09 PM
Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine? (living life does not mean debauchery either) I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach. Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church. Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear. No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do. By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily? How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory? Hypocrisy? I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father? What would be the comparison with a natural relationship like homosexuality and a sickness like incest? You'd better believe that kind of logic is spreading. Many horses are waiting to come out of the gate. So many waiting for endorsement. At one time homosexuality was as much a sickness as incest...and now because so many have closed their eyes to the taboo of it... it is now labeled "natural". There are a lot of closet incestuous, beastial, and other participants who are waiting for the day when what they enjoy doing is acceptible as well. What kind of society are we allowing? Is this our children's inheritance? Again it sounds like the religious are the ones who should worry about some kind of retribution because the non religious have nothing to worry about. Natural love between homosexuals causes as much problem in the world as heterosexual love does. It is the same. Our children are inheriting a healthier view of human relationships. I think you may actually be convinced of your views. Children are suffering more from this twisted world view than anyone, the adults are just getting their groove on. any way they can. Yes, I said it!!! I agree and there has been countless studies done showing children are most happy and succeed more when there is a mother and father in a normal relationship. I find it hard to believe that children would think that anal sex between two men is healthy.I also find it hard to believe that children think it's healthy when they have two fathers or two mothers and they ask where babies come from. All types of sex that happen in homosexual relationships happen in heterosexual relationships too and it is healthy then also. As long as the couple show love and respect to each other and the child the child will be healthy and they are often not even gay since they are not born that way. You just cotradicted yourself!!! How? All she said is straights are born straight just as gays are born gay. Gays are not born gays. Being homosexual is the actual sexual intercourse between two of the same gender. Yes some people are born with more attraction to the same gender, but that is not homosexual. That is merely an attraction. It's the actions that follow those attractions that are homosexual, sinful. So you're gonna tell them they have deny what they feel and try to feel something they can't? What if they can't be attracted to the opposite sex the same as they can the same sex? Say someone is born, and all they wish to eat is human flesh. Any other food doesn't satisfy them, they wish to eat humans. Should this be permitted? No difference, they are born that way remember? I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/03/11 10:11 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality.

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 10:12 PM
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CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 10:14 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Whose reality???

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 01/03/11 10:15 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Well what about comparing homosexuality to incest? Or to "underage" - adult relationships? It brings to light the hypocricy of certain reasonings why one would be called "sick" and the other "natural"...

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/03/11 10:17 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Well what about comparing homosexuality to incest? Or to "underage" - adult relationships? It brings to light the hypocricy of certain reasonings why one would be called "sick" and the other "natural"... One is sick cause it involves kids, I don't think much else needs to be said. If it's between adults, consenting adults there is no issue, only in one's mind here with this.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/03/11 10:17 PM
No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Whose reality??? In general reality.

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 10:20 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. The OP was meant to be an insult. It just didn't hold water... that's all.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 01/03/11 10:25 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Well what about comparing homosexuality to incest? Or to "underage" - adult relationships? It brings to light the hypocricy of certain reasonings why one would be called "sick" and the other "natural"... One is sick cause it involves kids, I don't think much else needs to be said. If it's between adults, consenting adults there is no issue, only in one's mind here with this. And you consider it "sick" too? It was not too long ago that children as young as 12-14 were permited to marry. In Russia, the consenting age is 14 I believe. Dragoness called incest "sick" when asked about her homosexual friend. So who decides what is "sick" or not? You? Her? Me?

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Mon 01/03/11 10:30 PM
You can go to jail in China for homosexuality and may even be killed.It is not accepted or tolerated by anyone.China is a Atheist country.Try blaming religion on that.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 01/03/11 10:35 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. The OP was meant to be an insult. It just didn't hold water... that's all. Water was held by the non insulting OP.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 01/03/11 10:40 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Well what about comparing homosexuality to incest? Or to "underage" - adult relationships? It brings to light the hypocricy of certain reasonings why one would be called "sick" and the other "natural"... One is sick cause it involves kids, I don't think much else needs to be said. If it's between adults, consenting adults there is no issue, only in one's mind here with this. And you consider it "sick" too? It was not too long ago that children as young as 12-14 were permited to marry. In Russia, the consenting age is 14 I believe. Dragoness called incest "sick" when asked about her homosexual friend. So who decides what is "sick" or not? You? Her? Me? What homosexual friend are we referring to? Underage sex was mentioned by you not me or Kleisto. Incest doesn't necessary mean underage, Incest is a sickness. Homosexuality is natural. How do you determine the difference if you can in your own brain? One hurts people and one doesn't

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 10:44 PM
You can go to jail in China for homosexuality and may even be killed.It is not accepted or tolerated by anyone.China is a Atheist country.Try blaming religion on that. People here in the USA are overly obsessed with sex... Sex is Americas weakness. It's out of control and very much out of context. ~"Just love the one you're with"~ ~"It's yo thang, do what you wanna do"...~ (you know the rest, don't you?) ~"You can ring my bell"~ ..on and on...they live it out.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 01/03/11 10:47 PM
You can go to jail in China for homosexuality and may even be killed.It is not accepted or tolerated by anyone.China is a Atheist country.Try blaming religion on that. That's as bad as anything else, doesn't mean religion is much better though in how it treats homosexuals.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 01/03/11 10:49 PM
You can go to jail in China for homosexuality and may even be killed.It is not accepted or tolerated by anyone.China is a Atheist country.Try blaming religion on that. China is not atheist for one and ignorance is not limited to any one religion or lack of.

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 10:50 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. The OP was meant to be an insult. It just didn't hold water... that's all. Water was held by the non insulting OP. Yeah right!

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 01/03/11 10:57 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Well what about comparing homosexuality to incest? Or to "underage" - adult relationships? It brings to light the hypocricy of certain reasonings why one would be called "sick" and the other "natural"... One is sick cause it involves kids, I don't think much else needs to be said. If it's between adults, consenting adults there is no issue, only in one's mind here with this. And you consider it "sick" too? It was not too long ago that children as young as 12-14 were permited to marry. In Russia, the consenting age is 14 I believe. Dragoness called incest "sick" when asked about her homosexual friend. So who decides what is "sick" or not? You? Her? Me? What homosexual friend are we referring to? Underage sex was mentioned by you not me or Kleisto. Incest doesn't necessary mean underage, Incest is a sickness. Homosexuality is natural. How do you determine the difference if you can in your own brain? One hurts people and one doesn't The question was posed to you earlier which you replied incest was a "sickness". "I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father?" Incest is just as natural as homosexuality. I brought up underage to prove a point. That you try to dictate what is right and wrong. I think I've proved that point. Kleisto has no problem with incest as long as they're "consenting adults". So why do you get to push your beliefs on others yet scream "religious!" if others don't agree with you? Face it, everyone has their own morals and trying to imply they're based on religion holds no water. Unless of course you claim to be religious now...

CeriseRose Joined Mon 08/02/10 Posts: 6220	Mon 01/03/11 11:04 PM
I love these extreme statements, as if they have ANY base in fact at all. To compare that to this is totally illogical. Hypocritical thoughts are being exposed here... that's all!!! as were christians being accused of in the earlier post. No to compare homosexuality or anything else really you may be against to some of the extreme thoughts that have been posted here is insulting and has no basis at all in reality. Well what about comparing homosexuality to incest? Or to "underage" - adult relationships? It brings to light the hypocricy of certain reasonings why one would be called "sick" and the other "natural"... One is sick cause it involves kids, I don't think much else needs to be said. If it's between adults, consenting adults there is no issue, only in one's mind here with this. And you consider it "sick" too? It was not too long ago that children as young as 12-14 were permited to marry. In Russia, the consenting age is 14 I believe. Dragoness called incest "sick" when asked about her homosexual friend. So who decides what is "sick" or not? You? Her? Me? What homosexual friend are we referring to? Underage sex was mentioned by you not me or Kleisto. Incest doesn't necessary mean underage, Incest is a sickness. Homosexuality is natural. How do you determine the difference if you can in your own brain? One hurts people and one doesn't The question was posed to you earlier which you replied incest was a "sickness". "I have a question for you Dragoness, Would you continue to be close friends with your gay friend if you discovered she was also enjoying a sexual relationship with her biological father?" Incest is just as natural as homosexuality. I brought up underage to prove a point. That you try to dictate what is right and wrong. I think I've proved that point. Kleisto has no problem with incest as long as they're "consenting adults". So why do you get to push your beliefs on others yet scream "religious!" if others don't agree with you? Face it, everyone has their own morals and trying to imply they're based on religion holds no water. Unless of course you claim to be religious now... I call these "Jerry's Kids"... (Jerry Springer).