No, that's you stating your opinion over and over again. I GAVE you an example to follow up on, but you refused to consider it. So, I'll be more blatant-- I and my insurance company paid $3200 for a series of MRAs with contrast dye at the local metropolitan hospital that treats everyone that comes in for anything by law. Even drug dealers and gang bangers with gunshot wounds.

Trouble is, the metropolitan hospital botched the tests, and my neurosurgeon demanded that I have the tests done at Johns Hopkins, who DOES NOT treat people without referrals and insurance. In fact, I had to have the $75 co-pay in hand WHEN I CHECKED IN as an outpatient.

How much did the SAME series cost at Johns Hopkins? $750. And it was done _correctly_.

It only makes sense that the metropolitan hospitals have to do something to make up for the people without insurance or those who declare bankruptcy when they get the bills.

And that accounts for the difference. Better care, cheaper rates because EVERYONE that gets treatment there HAS TO HAVE insurance or is on Medicare/Medicaid. By having everyone kick at least something into the pot under this law, the risks are spread over more patients. And the insurance companies know they're going to have to compete more efficiently to become approved providers for the bigger networks that will result from EVERYONE being part of SOME network.

Easy as ABC.


-Kerry O.

You opinion...

Where in the so called Obamacare does it address the insurance problem...

No regulations on insurance at all...

Once we are all ON it those self same companies have no controls on what they can do... Only on that they HAVE to insure the preexisting... Depending upon what area a person lives in. (
They can still deny by geographical areas - as determined by competant authority)

I am seriously thinking that very few people are actually reading this bill...

Instead every picks out the parts they need to firm up their postions and no one seems to be putting it all together.

It will HAVE to be re booted in 2018 or 2019 (with additional taxes)... It will not cover all the uninsured it will leave at least 23 million still uncovered in 2019 (that comes from the CBO that everyone quotes but misses the important stuff - or leaves it out)...

This bill is a nightmare comming.

Hardly. I gave you figures from my OWN experience that conclusively show the difference where insurance is required for treatment and where it isn't. Draw whatever conclusion you want from the facts or close your eyes to it, but to just keep saying "Show me where 'Obamacare' yada, yada, yada....'is not a credible rebuttal, it's just plain denial.





I suspect that people who use this reasoning are operating on the not-so-hidden agenda of not habing health insurance and adamantly refusing to buy any because they have 'other' priorities in life on the grounds that it infringes on their freedom. Or that all insurance is bad because it's 'Socialism'.

Yanno, nothing infringes on one's freedom more than a major heart attack and early death. But hey, if that's their choice, probably 'Obamacare' will flush the quail out into the open.

How'd they say it in the first colony of what was to become the United States? "He who will not work will not eat."


-Kerry O.


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Hardly. I gave you figures from my OWN experience that conclusively show the difference where insurance is required for treatment and where it isn't. Draw whatever conclusion you want from the facts or close your eyes to it, but to just keep saying "Show me where 'Obamacare' yada, yada, yada....'is not a credible rebuttal, it's just plain denial.





I suspect that people who use this reasoning are operating on the not-so-hidden agenda of not habing health insurance and adamantly refusing to buy any because they have 'other' priorities in life on the grounds that it infringes on their freedom. Or that all insurance is bad because it's 'Socialism'.

Yanno, nothing infringes on one's freedom more than a major heart attack and early death. But hey, if that's their choice, probably 'Obamacare' will flush the quail out into the open.

How'd they say it in the first colony of what was to become the United States? "He who will not work will not eat."


-Kerry O.


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I am sorry, and this is not meant personally, but that is just stupid. I DO work. That's why I object to this mandate. If I want to die from an early heart attack, it's no one else's business, AND I won't- as I have pretty much stayed away from modern western medicine I am healthier than most people my age, and than a lot who are much younger. So yes, I am very skeptical about socialism in healthcare and it's mandate to force me into participating in and paying for a system that I have not been using by choice

I hardly know which false premise to address first.
1. I have no problem with health insurance. I do have a problem with someone telling me how I feel or think (when they have no clue). 2. Where did I ever claim that insurance is bad. (or for that matter that I believe it to be a form of socialism)... This is standard misdirection and will not misdirect either me or someone that has seen the truth in what I have said.
3. Obamacare will flush out those that would die early anyway... Whatever dude! Obamacare will flush out some things allright... It will eventually highlight the colusion between certian elements in both parties that have made this situation possible.
4. We actually need to go back to that premise... 'he who does not work does not eat...' Nor should they get cash, medical, benefits, tax credits (when no tax is payed) and such 'bleeding heart' crap.

I am sorry, and this is not meant personally, but that is just stupid. I DO work. That's why I object to this mandate. If I want to die from an early heart attack, it's no one else's business, AND I won't- as I have pretty much stayed away from modern western medicine I am healthier than most people my age, and than a lot who are much younger. So yes, I am very skeptical about socialism in healthcare and it's mandate to force me into participating in and paying for a system that I have not been using by choice