It's about speaking the truth. It's not about determining if an action is "wrong" it's about the reality of who we are, what our purpose is, who God is and who God is not. If you are aware of these things and stay silent, you are enabling falsehoods then.

Or if you're vocal about them, you get accused of "speaking for God"...


Who are you to decide what is "Truth"???

Good point Peter.

Who is anyone to decide that?

I'm not any more important or less than anyone else, but I will just say a few things here. Number one, there are many many experiences people have had, one of which is where my beliefs as to God and it's nature stem from as a matter of fact that totally contradict what Christianity and the Bible teaches. These things cannot and should not be discounted.

Number two, if I was gonna be accused of "speaking for God" I'd much rather be espousing a positive message about it, than a negative. I find it rather telling and quite frankly sad that it's the more negative hellfire and brimstone, judgmental type of creator that seems to be believed and accepted more so than the antithesis of that.

Finally, when it comes to truth, there are certain things that are just common sense if one would simply use their head and think rather than just believe what they have been told without a second thought. I do not believe that God would create us just to be in effect yes men to Him. What would be the point of having this experience if what we could do was so limited and controlled like that? How can one truly learn anything?

Are you kidding me???

How many times have I advocated the love and equality aspect just to have you debate me and say I was wrong?

Do you still believe that "hell" is scriptural?

Even if that wasn't, is the "second death" that much better?

See, you think you have all the answers.

What gives you the right to say those things? Just because you believe them doesn't make them true...


Seriously, get a clue....

I have more answers than I used to have. And just because you believe something doesn't make it true either fyi, works both ways. Do you not believe in the second death then?

It's just a view anyway, why take it so damn personal?

So far, no one - not a single solitary soul answered the question

"Are all the stories set out and told in the Bible true or are they fiction or a mixture of both?"

With the answer that they thought they were really 100% true.

And...I'm not going to hold my breath.

Don't worry, "they" will keep debating as if "we" thought that way...

Ok peter, what's your view on death, tell me.

There are not many Christians left in these threads anyway.
Not a good place for a poll.

No Kleisto...

You have shown time and time again that you don't want to search for anything on your own.

If you want my personal opinions, you're going to have to tell me yours about hell. Be prepared to back up your reasoning.

Well, not only that, but some of the people who claim to be "Christians" do not satisfy the definition you gave anyway. I've heard some of these people claim that Jesus did not die to pay for anyone's sins.

So it's hard to say just how many "Christian" would actually meet your requirements.

I don't believe it exists, I think it was made up, and I don't believe anyone is damned at all, or even dies. Our souls live forever.

See, you "think" it was made up and I "know" it was. I know because I read, something you refuse to do yet you bring up "fire and brimstone" and "hell" numerous times.

Like you "knew" that the Bible doesn't say that the flood was worldwide?



I think your position as biblical authoritarian is floating in limbo somewhere.

As one who can read and use a concordance, what you think of me means absolutely nothing.

If you cannot refute what I claim, respond with more fluff and non-substance.

Ok now we're just nitpicking. Bibilical or not it was made up, fine we can agree on that. What about your own beliefs now? If hell doesn't exist, what do YOU think happens when we die?

Biblical or not?

When you can answer that confidently I'll tell you my beliefs.