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its merely something open to personal interpretation, as a christian I have become more than accustomed to being told what christians believe(as some type of absolute)
IM sure muslims are accustomed to the same as are gun owners there is no message in the quran which cant be found somewhere in my bible, its all in personal interpreation ,, as I will continue to say and to presume all people in any faith interpret their book the same way is also a personal perogative we all have,, I just dont see the logic behind it,,, |
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its merely something open to personal interpretation, as a christian I have become more than accustomed to being told what christians believe(as some type of absolute) IM sure muslims are accustomed to the same as are gun owners there is no message in the quran which cant be found somewhere in my bible, its all in personal interpreation ,, as I will continue to say and to presume all people in any faith interpret their book the same way is also a personal perogative we all have,, I just dont see the logic behind it,,, Do us all a huge favor and read a Quaran. And you dodge the question yet again! Likewise show me comparative instructions of conduct between the two. PLEASE. And the "gun owners" thing is getting a little worked into the ground. You still cannot justify making the comparison! Here, before shooting your mouth off about how evil guns are and comparing gun manuals to the bible here is the first one I found on line. It is a PDF And please make special not of how clear the English is in the first pages about fire arm safety! the language is pretty typical manufacturer to manufacturer. http://www.usfirearms.com/pdf/USFA_SA_manual.pdf |
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great example of how a readers personal interpretation can be so FAR off from the writers intent......
Do us all a huge favor and read a Quaran. And you dodge the question yet again! Likewise show me comparative instructions of conduct between the two. PLEASE. And the "gun owners" thing is getting a little worked into the ground. You still cannot justify making the comparison! Here, before shooting your mouth off about how evil guns are and comparing gun manuals to the bible here is the first one I found on line. It is a PDF And please make special not of how clear the English is in the first pages about fire arm safety! the language is pretty typical manufacturer to manufacturer. http://www.usfirearms.com/pdf/USFA_SA_manual.pdf I never stated ANYTHING was 'evil' , like others who insist on labeling others beliefs,,,, that is EXACTLY the comparison being made, I REALIZE guns are not evil and guns do not kill people unless they get in the hands of someone who has it in their heart to kill people likewise, religion is not intolerant, unless it is being interpreted by someone who has it in their heart to be intolerant I am religious, I am no more or less intolerant than anyone else who is human as to the rest.... comparative conduct: “And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers” Quran 6:68 Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. (Rev 18:5-6) And if you punish, you shall inflict an equivalent punishment. But if you resort to patience (instead of revenge), it would be better for the patient ones." Sura 16:126 You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth'. But I tell you. Do not resist an evil person." Matth.5:38-42 there are literally THOUSANDS of messages that can be interpreted from both books, but the interpretation comes from the heart of what is already a part of the person READING the book,,,, once I read a Quran,, then what? what was the question that was dodged? |
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great example of how a readers personal interpretation can be so FAR off from the writers intent...... Do us all a huge favor and read a Quaran. And you dodge the question yet again! Likewise show me comparative instructions of conduct between the two. PLEASE. And the "gun owners" thing is getting a little worked into the ground. You still cannot justify making the comparison! Here, before shooting your mouth off about how evil guns are and comparing gun manuals to the bible here is the first one I found on line. It is a PDF And please make special not of how clear the English is in the first pages about fire arm safety! the language is pretty typical manufacturer to manufacturer. http://www.usfirearms.com/pdf/USFA_SA_manual.pdf I never stated ANYTHING was 'evil' , like others who insist on labeling others beliefs,,,, that is EXACTLY the comparison being made, I REALIZE guns are not evil and guns do not kill people unless they get in the hands of someone who has it in their heart to kill people likewise, religion is not intolerant, unless it is being interpreted by someone who has it in their heart to be intolerant I am religious, I am no more or less intolerant than anyone else who is human as to the rest.... comparative conduct: “And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers” Quran 6:68 Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. (Rev 18:5-6) And if you punish, you shall inflict an equivalent punishment. But if you resort to patience (instead of revenge), it would be better for the patient ones." Sura 16:126 You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth'. But I tell you. Do not resist an evil person." Matth.5:38-42 there are literally THOUSANDS of messages that can be interpreted from both books, but the interpretation comes from the heart of what is already a part of the person READING the book,,,, once I read a Quran,, then what? what was the question that was dodged? A religion is evil when it tells its faithful to go forth and kill in the name of God! And don't cite single passages. That is scripture bending! |
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I don't have a problem with Islam as a religion. I have a problem
with the militant Islamic radicals who pervert Islam with their Obsession. Everybody should be against those who advocate and carry out terrorism in the name of religion. But in our time it is the radical Islamists who are originating this abomination. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RxSzS-qSM |
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By virture of the term 'mono' ALL monotheistic religions are intolerable, sometimes even among those who claim the same label. How can they be otherwise?
The idea that any one is worse than another may only be a matter of what one has grown accustom to. |
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Islam, oh yes. There is one religion I revile more than Christianity. Why? They demand under threat of violence in most cases we are culturally sensitive towards them but they don't have to share that tolerance with us. Australia is testing the fence with their new law, show your face when asked by police or go to jail. In France Burkas are banned. In many nations Islam is gaining prevalence they are becoming more violent, attacking Christians openly, and imposing Sharia Law over the law of the land. These are things Christians DON'T do. So why should we put up with them? Cultural sensitivity? Shoe the left shoe match the right one? Where is Islam's tolerance for us? It sure is not in their Quaran! I have a good friend who is a Muslim. We agree on a lot of things, except Israel, which we simply don't talk about. He hates terrorists so much, it's palpable. So the distinction should be made between Islam and Islamic extremists. I think that any non-citizen with direct ties to radical Islam should be deported. We have to secure our borders, to make it harder for Islamists to enter our country. Most importantly, we all have to vote for policies and representative who will stand up against radical Islam. |
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great example of how a readers personal interpretation can be so FAR off from the writers intent...... Do us all a huge favor and read a Quaran. And you dodge the question yet again! Likewise show me comparative instructions of conduct between the two. PLEASE. And the "gun owners" thing is getting a little worked into the ground. You still cannot justify making the comparison! Here, before shooting your mouth off about how evil guns are and comparing gun manuals to the bible here is the first one I found on line. It is a PDF And please make special not of how clear the English is in the first pages about fire arm safety! the language is pretty typical manufacturer to manufacturer. http://www.usfirearms.com/pdf/USFA_SA_manual.pdf I never stated ANYTHING was 'evil' , like others who insist on labeling others beliefs,,,, that is EXACTLY the comparison being made, I REALIZE guns are not evil and guns do not kill people unless they get in the hands of someone who has it in their heart to kill people likewise, religion is not intolerant, unless it is being interpreted by someone who has it in their heart to be intolerant I am religious, I am no more or less intolerant than anyone else who is human as to the rest.... comparative conduct: “And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers” Quran 6:68 Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. (Rev 18:5-6) And if you punish, you shall inflict an equivalent punishment. But if you resort to patience (instead of revenge), it would be better for the patient ones." Sura 16:126 You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth'. But I tell you. Do not resist an evil person." Matth.5:38-42 there are literally THOUSANDS of messages that can be interpreted from both books, but the interpretation comes from the heart of what is already a part of the person READING the book,,,, once I read a Quran,, then what? what was the question that was dodged? A religion is evil when it tells its faithful to go forth and kill in the name of God! And don't cite single passages. That is scripture bending! so is picking out the pieces that supposedly instruct all muslims to 'kill infidels'.... |
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By virture of the term 'mono' ALL monotheistic religions are intolerable, sometimes even among those who claim the same label. How can they be otherwise? The idea that any one is worse than another may only be a matter of what one has grown accustom to. I agree. I will go further to argue that 'intolerable' is a fairly vague term devoid of any positive or negative absolute. as humans we all have some things we cannot 'tolerate' , which makes us 'intolerant' to some things the bible and our laws are examples of what a culture will not 'tolerate as well as what it will,, |
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By virture of the term 'mono' ALL monotheistic religions are intolerable, sometimes even among those who claim the same label. How can they be otherwise? The idea that any one is worse than another may only be a matter of what one has grown accustom to. I agree. I will go further to argue that 'intolerable' is a fairly vague term devoid of any positive or negative absolute. as humans we all have some things we cannot 'tolerate' , which makes us 'intolerant' to some things the bible and our laws are examples of what a culture will not 'tolerate as well as what it will,, Yes - WELL that and one other little thing. Each monotheistic religion has a singular god. When there is a singular god with very specific characteristics and attributes and a set of rules bestowed by the god, then we have the conditions of "my god is the one and only 'right' god. Thus the claim "all monotheisitc religions are intolerable,they do not tolerate the god of any other religion. |
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By virture of the term 'mono' ALL monotheistic religions are intolerable, sometimes even among those who claim the same label. How can they be otherwise? The idea that any one is worse than another may only be a matter of what one has grown accustom to. I agree. I will go further to argue that 'intolerable' is a fairly vague term devoid of any positive or negative absolute. as humans we all have some things we cannot 'tolerate' , which makes us 'intolerant' to some things the bible and our laws are examples of what a culture will not 'tolerate as well as what it will,, Yes - WELL that and one other little thing. Each monotheistic religion has a singular god. When there is a singular god with very specific characteristics and attributes and a set of rules bestowed by the god, then we have the conditions of "my god is the one and only 'right' god. Thus the claim "all monotheisitc religions are intolerable,they do not tolerate the god of any other religion. I thought monotheistic merely designated the number of Gods,, not which God that is to say, If I believe in GOD, and someone else believes in ALLAH,,, it is not impossible for me to consider they are one in the same just as some call me by one name (my first) and others by my middle, yet they refer to the same individual... |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 07/18/11 06:17 AM
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By virture of the term 'mono' ALL monotheistic religions are intolerable, sometimes even among those who claim the same label. How can they be otherwise? The idea that any one is worse than another may only be a matter of what one has grown accustom to. I agree. I will go further to argue that 'intolerable' is a fairly vague term devoid of any positive or negative absolute. as humans we all have some things we cannot 'tolerate' , which makes us 'intolerant' to some things the bible and our laws are examples of what a culture will not 'tolerate as well as what it will,, Yes - WELL that and one other little thing. Each monotheistic religion has a singular god. When there is a singular god with very specific characteristics and attributes and a set of rules bestowed by the god, then we have the conditions of "my god is the one and only 'right' god. Thus the claim "all monotheisitc religions are intolerable,they do not tolerate the god of any other religion. I thought monotheistic merely designated the number of Gods,, not which God that is to say, If I believe in GOD, and someone else believes in ALLAH,,, it is not impossible for me to consider they are one in the same just as some call me by one name (my first) and others by my middle, yet they refer to the same individual... Well Redy - you are wrong here. Monotheism by it's nature is not intolerant of other religions. Jews and Muslims in particular hold that righteous people will be recognized on their actions alone regardless of their religion or observances. Many Christians also would accept that good people would never be punished by Jesus on the basis of their ignorance despite the active missionary movement. As I have said in other threads if there is only One God then it is clearly the same God for everyone. So it would be rather silly for such a God to discriminate based on whether someone observed Easter or Ramadan or Yom Kippur.  Which gets to MsHarmonys comment. If there is only One God it is logically the same God for everyone. But of course it makes no difference what you call God - Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Yahweh or Redd Foxx and it certainly makes no sense to attempt to describe God in anthropomorphic terms. Although if you wish to picture him as an Asian 3 month old girl then it is fine. And God doesn't care whether you "believe" in One God or faeries either. God has made me come to realize this all on my own - but I do not claim to be a prophet. 
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Islam, oh yes. There is one religion I revile more than Christianity. Why? They demand under threat of violence in most cases we are culturally sensitive towards them but they don't have to share that tolerance with us. Australia is testing the fence with their new law, show your face when asked by police or go to jail. In France Burkas are banned. In many nations Islam is gaining prevalence they are becoming more violent, attacking Christians openly, and imposing Sharia Law over the law of the land. These are things Christians DON'T do. So why should we put up with them? Cultural sensitivity? Shoe the left shoe match the right one? Where is Islam's tolerance for us? It sure is not in their Quaran!  oh i like the easy ones. we put up with them because of the first amendment. |
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Which gets to MsHarmonys comment. If there is only One God it is logically the same God for everyone. But of course it makes no difference what you call God - Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Yahweh or Redd Foxx and it certainly makes no sense to attempt to describe God in anthropomorphic terms. Although if you wish to picture him as an Asian 3 month old girl then it is fine. And God doesn't care whether you "believe" in One God or faeries either. God has made me come to realize this all on my own - but I do not claim to be a prophet. "Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray my soul, Redd Foxx to keep ..." 
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Islam does have it's good points.
It allows men to keep their women in line. I find that Liberals will defend the intolerable. Especially, Liberal women. Not referring to any poster here. Talking about many Liberal women on most forum sites. |
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Islam does have it's good points. It allows men to keep their women in line. I find that Liberals will defend the intolerable. Especially, Liberal women. Not referring to any poster here. Talking about many Liberal women on most forum sites.   Her husband thought she was cheating. |
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Islam does have it's good points. It allows men to keep their women in line. I find that Liberals will defend the intolerable. Especially, Liberal women. Not referring to any poster here. Talking about many Liberal women on most forum sites. Her husband thought she was cheating. 10 to 1 you will see the argument that,'It will never happen here.' |
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I was reading my post and had to ask myself what the hell is up with my bad typing. But then I read this and I have to ask... WTF? What the HELL does this mean? When a Bible, Quaran, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A PARTICULAR BOOK, when it instructs their faithful to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, maim , and murder the non faithful, also known as Infidels in the case of Islam, Heretics in Christianity, how can one view such words as anything other than what they mean as written when the very core of Islam is their holy war against Non-Islam. You hate war but tolerate a religion BASED ON WAR???????????? And then you squeeze guns into this? Where are you going with this??? What religion is based on war?? |
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willing2 said... 10 to 1 you will see the argument that,'It will never happen here.' Honor killings are not unknown in the USA, they are in fact on the rise. |
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willing2 said... 10 to 1 you will see the argument that,'It will never happen here.' Honor killings are not unknown in the USA, they are in fact on the rise. You mean like when the KKK kills a white woman for marrying a black man? Or I, a Jewess, has to be very careful and cover my tattoos in certain areas of America lest I be dragged in the street by white supremists? Or how my synagogue has to be surrounded by police officers and SWAT on our holiest of Holy Days due to the fact that I live in the Bible Belt and we have had threats to our community several times? Yep.... It happens here. I love that mothers can force their daughters to have abortions. Or that fathers can rape their daughters and get away with it in certain communities. Or that men can have several wives... (Mormons, HELLO!) I love how CHRISTIANS came here on a friggin BOAT and killed all the natives. Yep... It happens here. I love how there are gang wars and I can be shot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time because Joe Blow decided he wanted to kill someone else for wearing red. Yep... It happens here. I love how we can condemn and kill a person (death penalty) and then find out years later that person was ACTUALLY INNOCENT!!! Yep... IT HAPPENS HERE. Or wait.... even better...... I LOVE how our King (President) dictates how WE LIVE, what we PAY TO LIVE, and what benefits we are ALLOWED TO HAVE. And if we don't like it? Who cares? Right? |
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