Some scientist with CERN claim to have blown Einsteins E=mc2 theory out of the water. Apparently they have found Neutrinos that can travel faster than 3.00X10^8 m/s. This will be interesting to see what they have discovered if anything.

they didn't...neutrinos do not travel faster than light...

They claim to have found some that do! That's why I said this will be interesting.

whats wierd, i just saw something on the news that was saying that AE theory was safe, that neutrinos did not go faster than light, but i missed the main part of the story.

The science world is buzzing about this and most are calling BS on it, but the ones involved in the experiment are pretty adamant about their findings. Its possible that if they were to get excited and charged enough they might be able to for some distance whatever it may be.

here is an article about it, i just found it

http://news.yahoo.com/strange-particles-may-travel-faster-light-breaking-laws-192010201.html

Yeah I saw this earlier, it would turn the physics world on its ear if this turns out to be true.

That's extremely interesting.

NVM

a quote:

"Reasonable doubt

If MINOS were to confirm OPERA's find, the consequences would be enormous. "If you give up the speed of light, then the construction of special relativity falls down," says Antonino Zichichi, a theoretical physicist and emeritus professor at the University of Bologna, Italy. Zichichi speculates that the 'superluminal' neutrinos detected by OPERA could be slipping through extra dimensions in space, as predicted by theories such as string theory.

Ellis, however, remains sceptical. Many experiments have looked for particles travelling faster than light speed in the past and have come up empty-handed, he says. Most troubling for OPERA is a separate analysis of a pulse of neutrinos from a nearby supernova known as 1987a. If the speeds seen by OPERA were achievable by all neutrinos, then the pulse from the supernova would have shown up years earlier than the exploding star's flash of light; instead, they arrived within hours of each other. "It's difficult to reconcile with what OPERA is seeing," Ellis says.

Ereditato says that he welcomes scepticism from outsiders, but adds that the researchers have been unable to find any other explanation for their remarkable result. "Whenever you are in these conditions, then you have to go to the community," he says.

I'm sure they will be doing more experiments, any scientist in their right mind is not going to perform something once and then say "hey look at this" they will have to repeat it over and over adn then the science community will have to tear the whole thing apart and sift through all the evidence they have suggested in order to make it a theory or throw it out completely. This is just getting started.

They have already tested and re-tested this and they keep on getting the same results. Because they cannot explain it, and are baffled themselves that this could even be possible, they have put it out there for the scientific community to scrutinise.

greater than the speed of light by ~ 10^-5

That is a pretty small margin, lots of these amazing finds that sit at such small margins are soo often found to be mistakes. Interesting, but not something I am getting messy pants over . . . yet.


good article from discover.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/09/23/faster-than-light-neutrinos/

so far Einstein is still safe...

So far they have rated the accuracy of the tests at six sigma which means a high level of confidence in the results.

I'm gonna let the people who live and breathe this and do it professionally fight this one out.

Time will tell. Let's see a number of independent measurements.
It is interesting but I hardly consider this experiment an
invalidation of Einstein or relativity.



"It is premature to comment on this," he said. "Further experiments and clarifications are needed."

-Stephen Hawking

See for reference the neutrino measurements of Supernova 1987A

I am sure Einstein' overall theory is safe.

These neutrinos may simply be expressing a Special Relativity.

The General Theory is not effected by it.

(i.e. if a Special circumstance exists for this particle it does not negate the truth that the other quintillion particles which exists at the moment of measurement act as expected by Einsteins General Theory).

Makes sense to me. Neutrinos do not 'use' mass the same way as other particles... Perhaps then that 'mass' difference might lead also to an 'energy' curve that is also different. (mass is an integral part of Einsteins theory).

. . .statistical significance of the results: yes, a measurement error is a measurement error however no amount of mathematical accuracy corrects that, only checking all of the equipment can verify that, or replicating on different equipment (DAM U CONGRESS)

True. But they have run the test repeatedly and keep getting the same results. As you say, there may be a skunk in the works, but they can't find it. In test after test the measure of the speed of the neutrino has been clocked to an accuracy exceeding 99.999966%.

Their only move was to go public and ask for confirmation.

This situation reminds me of the US Naval weapons lab during WWII. The US entered the war to find that the torpedoes shot at enemy ships wouldn't explode. This fact cost the lives of US submariners. Complaints went up the chain of command with the weapons lab repeating that "there was nothing wrong" and "the tests have been verified".

The fact is only two torpedoes were test fired before WWII of the type used and one of them didn't explode.

After navel crewmen at Pearl Harbor did their own tests to discover that all the firing pins were mis-machined, the lab went back to find out that the testing equipment was out of spec and the calibration equipment for the testing equipment was out of spec too.

Not only would the firing pin jam on impact, the torpedo wouldn't run at the right depth either.