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msharmony's photo
Sun 11/13/11 01:57 AM
I eat pork occasionally because it tastes good to me. My body wont tolerate it often though. I usually will have it in the form of bacon or ham when using it to season food (instead of salt) or in the form of ribs on the holidays.

I am not of the belief that what I ingest will affect my soul, and pork has nutrients that are good for the body, do I feel no need to abstain from it,, personally.

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Sun 11/13/11 08:39 AM
I believe we CAN eat all things .....

But that does NOT mean we SHOULD eat all things.laugh


There is still much WISDOM in following health laws.

That's where APPLYING the WHOLE of God's Word comes in.........



:heart::heart::heart:

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Sun 11/13/11 08:59 AM
Some people even eat roaches.


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Tue 11/15/11 07:13 PM
We can easly see thier is no scriptual basis for eating the unclean. Just scripture for not eating it.. Isa 66:17 puts the rat and the swine and the people who eat them as they hide behind the tree. as an abomintion that dies in great fire.

Its just giving more detail as to what is going on in Zech 14 esp 9.

have it your way..Acts 10 is decribed so perfectly by acts 11 that Peter did not understand the dream about unclean animals we are not to eat.

Acts 11 shows cornilious ent for him and Peter was still having problems with non Israelites joing the fold. he was Jew through and through.

Peterdid then understand that a non Israelite had as much right to the throne as anyone else and he went to him.. The Holy Spirit had fallen on him and an Angel had both spoke of the same to both Peter and Cornilious.

Yahweh worries about his people. animals are 2nd unto his creation as they were made for us each in its proper form.

some scavage the land we even use Pig Heart valves for Heart surgery because our bodies will usually accept it. thier is your evolution link.. 4 legged walking Pig stands up and talks.

our distant cousin.have a nice juicy ham sandwich.. see what its like in the days to come..Blessings..Miles

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/15/11 09:42 PM
many scriptures in the bible were laws given to the jews, and not the non jews

I am not jewish and feel no need to refrain from pork (occasionally)

I dont feel this is a threat to my soul.

I commend and respect those people who refrain from anything unnatural and not created by God, but I like the taste of something, and in moderation, I allow myself to have it.

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Tue 11/15/11 09:53 PM

many scriptures in the bible were laws given to the jews, and not the non jews

I am not jewish and feel no need to refrain from pork (occasionally)

I dont feel this is a threat to my soul.

I commend and respect those people who refrain from anything unnatural and not created by God, but I like the taste of something, and in moderation, I allow myself to have it.


you may eat pork and it be ok. It has been cleansed.

Acts 10:9-15


9On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

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Tue 11/15/11 10:24 PM
In the beginning God created ... and on Earth were fruit trees, and plentiful plants from which the animals, including humans could eat.

fast forward: Then there were explicit instructions and rules about food preparation and what could be eaten.

fast forward: Then there was another change and all the 'ritual' instructions about food were dropped because... somethink having to do with a man named Jesus.

fast forward: NOW all the animals including, and thanks to, humans, are eating toxins, carcinogens, metals and genetic altering materials - getting sick in masses and in some cases becoming extinct.

Oddly, there has been no further instruction or new rules offered.

This is just opinion, but it makes sense to me that we should THINK for ourselves and stop poisening our environment, and start demanding a return to eating all natural, organic, whole foods.

After all, isn't religion all about the afterlife? Doesn't it make sense that WE must be responsible for the before death part? Maybe that's why there have no new revelations or additions to scripture about what we eat or how we treat our environment.

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Tue 11/15/11 11:45 PM
12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; KILL, AND EAT.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.




Miles...notice the scripture below:flowerforyou


13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter;
KILL, AND EAT.

Miles, This scripture above, MEANS JUST WHAT IT

SAYS.....AND IS VERY CLEAR .

Point being..... it was NOT about the men that were

coming to meet Peter.

Notice again......God said, KILL AND EAT.

Now....According to your interpretation, that would mean that

Peter was to kill and eat the men that were on their way to

meet Peter.:tongue: bigsmile

Hope this helps clarify ...flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou




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Wed 11/16/11 12:07 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 11/16/11 12:20 AM

In the beginning God created ... and on Earth were fruit trees, and plentiful plants from which the animals, including humans could eat.

fast forward: Then there were explicit instructions and rules about food preparation and what could be eaten.

fast forward: Then there was another change and all the 'ritual' instructions about food were dropped because... somethink having to do with a man named Jesus.

fast forward: NOW all the animals including, and thanks to, humans, are eating toxins, carcinogens, metals and genetic altering materials - getting sick in masses and in some cases becoming extinct.

Oddly, there has been no further instruction or new rules offered.

This is just opinion, but it makes sense to me that we should THINK for ourselves and stop poisening our environment, and start demanding a return to eating all natural, organic, whole foods.

After all, isn't religion all about the afterlife? Doesn't it make sense that WE must be responsible for the before death part? Maybe that's why there have no new revelations or additions to scripture about what we eat or how we treat our environment.




It is not what goes into a man that defileth a man, but what comes out of a man.


But does that mean God expects us to not use our noodle?

No....God still gave us health laws to follow for a

reason...just like he gave us the WHOLE of Scripture to learn

from,....but if we break

certain healtht laws,for instance, we may not be as healthy

and may even get sick ( God wants us to walk in wisdom too, and

not in foolishness )....but we are just not BOUND by letter of

the law anymore.

That is what that scripture really is saying...and that is, we

are no longer BOUND by the law..but we are under Grace now.

But does that mean one can just ignore any of God's Word....just

because we are under Grace now?

No.


Personally, I follow the health laws.......and can see the

difference in my health and well being , compared to those who

do not.

But I follow the health laws because it is beneficial for

my health......and NOT because I HAVE to......again, we are no

longer BOUND by the letter of the law , to do so.


God FREED us from the LETTER of the Law.

The letter of the law killeth, but the Spirit freeth.

But once more, just because we are no longer BOUND by the

letter of the law, doesn't mean that it no longer applies to

our lives.

Hope this helps.


flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou

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Wed 11/16/11 03:44 AM
balance always applies, and health is never wrapped up in any one choice or decision,,,,



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Wed 11/16/11 11:43 AM
I agree Red. the NT was not thier for a very long time.

Paul even took 4 men under the Nazorite voww of Num 6 to prove he kept the law.. this being before the temple was destroyed.

Read Num 6 and acts 21 and tell me that Paul was not sacraficing.

The letter of the Law.

What is the letter of the law? Yahweh's law?

Cowboy u use scriptrues that are not complete.. apperently you choose not to read act 10and 11 as they go hand in hand..

If the letter of the Law was from Yahweh then Yahweh made a mistake.

So you are happy with believing in a creator that does not know the end from the beginning.

Thats your choice. Thats your Desire for Yahweh. Then I say go continue in your ways. be happy at the rejection of those who twist the scriptures for thier own deciet. he judges by what a person knows and how he reacts to it. they either accept it or deny it.

The rise peter kill eat. 3 times is a sign from Yahweh and Peter did not understand. but when the 3 men showed up (the unclean the common) and the Angel told him to go. He understood the vision that it was these three men who were coming to him to go to Cornilious to baptise him. all you have to do is read the 2 chapters with a clean heart as Yahweh always said he was after and you will see. but tradition would throw you into a back spin to see that what you have been told is a lie. If Yahshua is your example then why do you not do as he did?

Why would he send demon spirits as a host for pigs for you to eat?

you must read the scriptures without preconceaved notions about what it means.. Thats tradition.

Didn't Yahweh said he would lead you to all things.. That man would not say to his nieghbor know Yahweh for all will know him.

How can this be?

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Mon 12/05/11 08:37 AM
Edited by luv2roknroll on Mon 12/05/11 08:38 AM

Technically, a pigs flesh is close to human flesh. In Africa the cannibals called humans "long pig."

As for them being "dirty" this is not a scientific fact. Pigs are clean animals. The reason they like mud is that they can't keep cool by sweating. If you keep them in a cement pen with a pool, they are very clean and bath regularly.

I have also heard that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. If I raised pigs I probably would not have the heart to kill and eat them. They are smart and they form emotional attachments.

Another fact is, if you fall into a pig pen, they might eat you alive, bones and all. That they themselves will eat meat may be why they are considered "dirty."







I lived on a ranch, with pigs, cows, and horses, for a few years, and you are indeed correct.

Pigs are the cleanest animal in the barnyard. They do exactly as you said, they stay in the mud to stay cool.

If given enough room to roam, they are the only animal, in the barnyard, that will not eat, where they "doo doo" and "pee pee".laugh

They will bathe themselves as she stated, if given water, and the opportunity to do so.

Alot of people have pigs for pets. They are very very smart, and definitely do form emotional attachments as Jeannie said.

And theres nothing cuter, than a fuzzy, tiny, newborn, pink piglet. They are adorable.

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Mon 12/05/11 12:36 PM



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Mon 12/05/11 12:40 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 12/05/11 12:41 PM
Abandoned piglet is lost and hound: Giant farm dog saves baby pig's bacon by adopting it as one of its own


A giant farm dog and a tiny piglet cuddle up as if they were family after the baby runt was dismissed by its own mother.
Surrogate mum Katjinga, an eight-year-old Rhodesian Ridgeback, took on motherly duties for grunter Paulinchen - a tiny pot-bellied pig - and seems to be taking the adoption in her stride.
Lonely Paulinchen was luckily discovered moments from death and placed in the care of the dog who gladly accepted it as one of her own. Thankfully for the two-week old mini porker, Katjinga fell in love with her at first sight and saved her bacon.


Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210909/Abandoned-piglet-lost-hound-Giant-farm-dog-saves-baby-pigs-bacon-adopting-own.html




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Mon 12/05/11 12:59 PM




Totally Precious!flowerforyou

I want one!:heart:

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Mon 12/05/11 01:03 PM
Edited by luv2roknroll on Mon 12/05/11 01:12 PM

Abandoned piglet is lost and hound: Giant farm dog saves baby pig's bacon by adopting it as one of its own


A giant farm dog and a tiny piglet cuddle up as if they were family after the baby runt was dismissed by its own mother.
Surrogate mum Katjinga, an eight-year-old Rhodesian Ridgeback, took on motherly duties for grunter Paulinchen - a tiny pot-bellied pig - and seems to be taking the adoption in her stride.
Lonely Paulinchen was luckily discovered moments from death and placed in the care of the dog who gladly accepted it as one of her own. Thankfully for the two-week old mini porker, Katjinga fell in love with her at first sight and saved her bacon.


Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210909/Abandoned-piglet-lost-hound-Giant-farm-dog-saves-baby-pigs-bacon-adopting-own.html







And the winner of the "best post of the day" award, goes to Jeanniebean!!!!

Awesome story, adorable pictures, I love it!!!:heart: :heart:

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