Topic: What Are Iran's Intentions?
s1owhand's photo
Mon 03/05/12 06:15 PM


If America was not pushing its alien agenda on the entire world and supporting Zionist aggression in the middle east, maybe we would not be so hated.




Bass-ackwards naturally. The radical Islamists are the ones who
are attempting to impose radical Islam on the rest of the world.
The U.S. and Israel are two of the prominent countries of the
world where all religions are truly respected and where individual
liberties and a free press really are protected and revered.

We are hated here in the U.S. because we have these freedoms
particularly freedom of religion and because we rightfully feel
that Israelis deserve to live in their own land free from
terrorist attacks and threats of genocide.

Perhaps when religious bigotry is eliminated and terrorists are
shown that they will never intimidate others into their own form
of intolerance and violence toward others - then we would be less
hated.

Hatred of Jews and Americans predates Israel. It is not merely
about Israel but it is about religious and political freedom and
womens rights...and it is very very much about radical Islam and
religious discrimination.

laugh

smart2009's photo
Mon 03/05/12 08:10 PM
Iran can't build a nuclear weapon without the massive complexes of centrifuges that enrich uranium to bomb-grade level. One enrichment plant called Fordow is buried 250 feet beneath a mountain, where not even America's most powerful conventional weapon - a 30,000 pound bunker buster - can reach it. General James Cartwright, recently retired from the number two job in the U.S. military, said so just the other day during a panel discussion.

The Fordow facility is "deep enough underground that there aren't weapons to go down to penetrate that kind of activity," Cartwright said.

That does not mean Fordow is safe from attack. Its entrances could be sealed off, and there is a large, rectangular building which provides ventilation inside the mountain.

Admiral William Fallon, retired head of the U.S. Central Command, which would conduct a strike, says it's much more complicated.

"There are a lot of targets. This is not a one-time shot. It could take a fair amount of work," Fallon said.

Obama to Netanyahu: U.S. will "always have Israel's back".


Israel is capable of a one-time strike, but only the U.S. has the air power to go back and hit targets again and again. Still, not even the U.S. could wipe out Iran's nuclear program.

"Even if you could, again, you're not going to kill the intellectual capital to just rebuild the centrifuges someplace else and continue on," Cartwright said.

Iran has plans to build 10 more enrichment plants, which is why Israel, with its relatively small air force, has said it cannot afford to wait much longer before it strikes.

The U.S. can afford to wait, but that would leave Israel entrusting its national security to another country, something it has never done.


heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 03/05/12 08:27 PM
I see lots of wishful thinking from the Persian-haters here.

http://lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis281.html
What kind of defense could Iran actually mount against an attack on its nuclear and military infrastructure by Israel and/or the United States?

First of all, discount all the TV pictures of Iranian missiles being fired and troops marching in review. They are designed to boost civilian morale at home. Ironically, Western media has used them to trumpet Iran’s alleged military threat. One major US TV network, NBC, even has a fixed logo on its reports from Iran: "Iran Threat."

In reality, Iran, in spite of its 71 million population and oil wealth, is militarily quite weak. Islamic Iran has been under punishing US-led military and economic sanctions since its 1979 revolution, joining other sanctions targets North Korea and Cuba.

As a result, Iran has been unable to modernize most of its 1960’s/1970’s vintage military arsenal, much of which was supplied by the US and Britain to the Shah. Iran’s decrepit civilian aircraft fleet has also been punished by US-led embargos, resulting in numerous crashes due to worn-out equipment and lack of spare parts.
An estimated 45-50% of Iran’s small, obsolete air force is grounded by lack of spare parts or repairs. Iran’s pilots, who last saw action during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War, have critically little flying time. Iran’s air force lacks modern radars, communications or electronic warfare equipment.

The mainstay of Iran’s air force remains about 60 ancient US-built F-14 naval fighters, F-4 Phantom strike aircraft dating from the Vietnam era, and some old US F-5 trainers. Iran also has a grab bag of some 25 Soviet/Russian Mig-29’s, a similar number of capable SU-24 strike aircraft, and some 20 Chinese outdated F-7 fighters. The US-supplied aircraft all suffer from metal fatigue and are more of a danger to their hapless pilots than an enemy.
Iran’s bathtub navy has a few small frigates and three modern Russian Kilo-class submarines that are effective in shallow coastal waters. Iran’s sizeable numbers of Chinese anti-ship missiles on shore, at sea and carried by aircraft might score a few lucky hits on the mighty US Navy or oil tankers, as could its ample supply of magnetic mines.

But any US assault of Iran, would open by surprise attacks from waves of cruise missiles and stealth aircraft against Iranian air bases, ports and communications hubs. Most of Iran’s air force and navy would be destroyed. Iran’s obsolete air defenses would be put out of action by missile and cyber-warfare attacks.

Iran’s primary method of counter-attacking would consist of commando raids against US bases in the Gulf, Afghanistan, Pakistan and, possibly, on Saudi oil installations. But no such attacks would prove decisive or alter the course of the conflict. Iran would be pounded until its attackers decided to cease fire.

Iran’s claim last week that it might launch pre-emptive attacks on potential attackers is not credible. Iran simply lacks any effective, long-range offensive capability to attack either Israel or put US bases in the region out of action. Its shorter ranged missiles could inflict some damage on US bases in the Gulf.

Iran’s medium-ranged Shahab-3 missile, of which Tehran is said to have a score, has offensive capability – but only if armed with a nuclear warhead, which US intelligence says Iran does not possess. Shrinking a nuclear device into Shahab’s small nosecone and ensuring it will survive violent g-forces and heat is a major technological challenge believed beyond Iran’s current capability.
Without nuclear warheads, the not very accurate Shahab’s are of little more use than Saddam Hussein’s laughably ineffective Scuds in 2003. Firing a few at Israel would immediately be picked up by the US early-alert satellite system, into which Israel is linked, and run the risk of triggering possible nuclear strikes by Israel.

Who knows if an incoming missile has a conventional or nuclear warhead? Israel might just believe its own propaganda about Iran’s alleged nuclear capabilities.

Iran could put up fierce resistance to a US-led ground invasion, but the Pentagon makes clear it has no such intention after the debacles in Afghanistan and Iraq. US air power will wage this conflict, if it comes.

February 29, 2012

heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 03/05/12 08:33 PM



If America was not pushing its alien agenda on the entire world and supporting Zionist aggression in the middle east, maybe we would not be so hated.




Bass-ackwards naturally. The radical Islamists are the ones who
are attempting to impose radical Islam on the rest of the world.
The U.S. and Israel are two of the prominent countries of the
world where all religions are truly respected and where individual
liberties and a free press really are protected and revered.

We are hated here in the U.S. because we have these freedoms
particularly freedom of religion and because we rightfully feel
that Israelis deserve to live in their own land free from
terrorist attacks and threats of genocide.

Perhaps when religious bigotry is eliminated and terrorists are
shown that they will never intimidate others into their own form
of intolerance and violence toward others - then we would be less
hated.

Hatred of Jews and Americans predates Israel. It is not merely
about Israel but it is about religious and political freedom and
womens rights...and it is very very much about radical Islam and
religious discrimination.

laugh

laugh laugh laugh rofl rofl rofl Google "blowback" and "overthrow of the shah by CIA". You'll find more bigotry toward muslims and Persians in America than anti-jewish stuff in Iran. Do you know Iran holds the 2nd largest Jewish population in the world (only Israel has more)? If Iranians truly were eager to massacre jews, there would have been one in Iran itself long ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Iran

s1owhand's photo
Tue 03/06/12 01:37 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Tue 03/06/12 01:52 AM




If America was not pushing its alien agenda on the entire world and supporting Zionist aggression in the middle east, maybe we would not be so hated.




Bass-ackwards naturally. The radical Islamists are the ones who
are attempting to impose radical Islam on the rest of the world.
The U.S. and Israel are two of the prominent countries of the
world where all religions are truly respected and where individual
liberties and a free press really are protected and revered.

We are hated here in the U.S. because we have these freedoms
particularly freedom of religion and because we rightfully feel
that Israelis deserve to live in their own land free from
terrorist attacks and threats of genocide.

Perhaps when religious bigotry is eliminated and terrorists are
shown that they will never intimidate others into their own form
of intolerance and violence toward others - then we would be less
hated.

Hatred of Jews and Americans predates Israel. It is not merely
about Israel but it is about religious and political freedom and
womens rights...and it is very very much about radical Islam and
religious discrimination.

laugh

laugh laugh laugh rofl rofl rofl Google "blowback" and "overthrow of the shah by CIA". You'll find more bigotry toward muslims and Persians in America than anti-jewish stuff in Iran. Do you know Iran holds the 2nd largest Jewish population in the world (only Israel has more)? If Iranians truly were eager to massacre jews, there would have been one in Iran itself long ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Iran


It's a riot alright! rofl

When Hitler rose to power and stoked antisemitic fervor in the
Mideast the Jews were forced out of Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Morroco,
Yemen, Syria and Lebanon. They were forced to flee for their
lives and their homes, lands and other property were illegally
seized without compensation of any sort. Despite the fact that
they had lived there peacefully, tolerated for centuries as 2nd
class citizens but that all ended in a coarse and bigoted stealing
of their lives and properties throughout the Mideast in the years
surrounding WWII.

Fortunately many made it to Israel where they were assisted as
best as they could be along with the other refugees from Europe
and Russia. But there was no talk of their right-of-return to
areas where there was such hatred and violence.

And there was absolutely no compensation for their stolen lands and goods.

This is the essence of the need for safe haven for the Jews in
their own homeland.

Here is a nice link to the real history of the treatment of
Jews in the Mideast in those years:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFtreatment.html#n3

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While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: “The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam.” [17]

Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad’s followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves. [18]

The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. “They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God’s signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors” (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97-98).

Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews. In the ninth century, Baghdad’s Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany. [19]

At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco. [20]

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880. [21]

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854­-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344). [22]

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire. [23]

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms. [24]

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.” [25]

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.

MYTH

“As ‘People of the Book,’ Jews and Christians are protected under Islamic law.”

FACT

This argument is rooted in the traditional concept of the “dhimma” (“writ of protection”), which was extended by Muslim conquerors to Christians and Jews in exchange for their subordination to the Muslims. Yet, as French authority Jacques Ellul has observed: “One must ask:‘protected against whom?’ When this ‘stranger’ lives in Islamic countries, the answer can only be: against the Muslims themselves.” [27]

Peoples subjected to Muslim rule usually had a choice between death and conversion, but Jews and Christians, who adhered to the Scriptures, were usually allowed, as dhimmis, to practice their faith. This “protection” did little, however, to insure that Jews and Christians were treated well by the Muslims. On the contrary, an integral aspect of the dhimma was that, being an infidel, he had to acknowledge openly the superiority of the true believer — the Muslim.

In the early years of the Islamic conquest, the “tribute” (or jizya), paid as a yearly poll tax, symbolized the subordination of the dhimmi. [28]

Later, the inferior status of Jews and Christians was reinforced through a series of regulations that governed the behavior of the dhimmi. Dhimmis, on pain of death, were forbidden to mock or criticize the Koran, Islam or Muhammad, to proselytize among Muslims, or to touch a Muslim woman (though a Muslim man could take a non-Muslim as a wife).

Dhimmis were excluded from public office and armed service, and were forbidden to bear arms. They were not allowed to ride horses or camels, to build synagogues or churches taller than mosques, to construct houses higher than those of Muslims or to drink wine in public. They were forced to wear distinctive clothing and were not allowed to pray or mourn in loud voices — as that might offend Muslims. The dhimmi also had to show public deference toward Muslims; for example, always yielding them the center of the road. The dhimmi was not allowed to give evidence in court against a Muslim, and his oath was unacceptable in an Islamic court. To defend himself, the dhimmi would have to purchase Muslim witnesses at great expense. This left the dhimmi with little legal recourse when harmed by a Muslim. [29]

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:

The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed. [30]


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And Iran specifically? Terrible treatment. About 80% of the Jewish population
of Iran has also fled the country and now only a fraction of the once
prosperous Jewish community remain in Iran and those who are left there
are ruthlessly persecuted and are not allowed to travel or emigrate.

Here is the specific true history of the Persian Jews of Iran:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html

The Jews of Iran
1948 Jewish population: 100,000
2004: ~20,000-25,000 [1]

The Jewish community of Persia, modern-day Iran, is one of the oldest in the Diaspora, and its historical roots reach back to the 6th century B.C.E., the time of the First Temple. Their history in the pre-Islamic period is intertwined with that of the Jews of neighboring Babylon. Cyrus, the first of the Archemid dynasty, conquered Babylon in 539 B.C.E. and permitted the Jewish exiles to return to the Land of Israel, bringing the First Exile to an end. The Jewish colonies were scattered from centers in Babylon to Persian provinces and cities such as Hamadan and Susa. The books of Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Daniel give a favorable description of the relationship of the Jews to the court of the Achaemids at Susa.

Under the Sassanid dynasty (226-642 C.E.), the Jewish population in Persia grew considerably and spread throughout the region; nevertheless, Jews suffered intermittent oppression and persecution. The invasion by Arab Muslims in 642 C.E. terminated the independence of Persia, installed Islam as the state religion, and made a deep impact on the Jews by changing their sociopolitical status.

Throughout the 19th century, Jews were persecuted and discriminated against. Sometimes whole communities were forced to convert. During the 19th century, there was considerable emigration to the Land of Israel, and the Zionist movement spread throughout the community.

Under the Phalevi Dynasty, established in 1925, the country was secularized and oriented toward the West. This greatly benefited the Jews, who were emancipated and played an important role in the economy and in cultural life. On the eve of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, 80,000 Jews lived in Iran. In the wake of the upheaval, tens of thousands of Jews, especially the wealthy, left the country, leaving behind vast amounts of property.

The Council of the Jewish Community, which was established after World War II, is the representative body of the community. The Jews also have a representative in parliament who is obligated by law to support Iranian foreign policy and its Anti-Zionist position.

Despite the official distinction between "Jews," "Zionists," and "Israel," the most common accusation the Jews encounter is that of maintaining contacts with Zionists. The Jewish community does enjoy a measure of religious freedom but is faced with constant suspicion of cooperating with the Zionist state and with "imperialistic America" — both such activities are punishable by death. Jews who apply for a passport to travel abroad must do so in a special bureau and are immediately put under surveillance. The government does not generally allow all members of a family to travel abroad at the same time to prevent Jewish emigration. Again, the Jews live under the status of dhimmi, with the restrictions im posed on religious minorities. Jewish leaders fear government reprisals if they draw attention to official mistreatment of their community.

Iran's official government-controlled media often issues anti-Semitic propaganda. A prime example is the government's publishing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious Czarist forgery, in 1994 and 1999. [2] Jews also suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and public accommodations.[3]

The Islamization of the country has brought about strict control over Jewish educational institutions. Before the revolution, there were some 20 Jewish schools functioning throughout the country. In recent years, most of these have been closed down. In the remaining schools, Jewish principals have been replaced by Muslims. In Tehran there are still three schools in which Jewish pupils constitute a majority. The curriculum is Islamic, and Persian is forbidden as the language of instruction for Jewish studies. Special Hebrew lessons are conducted on Fridays by the Orthodox Otzar ha-Torah organization, which is responsible for Jewish religious education. Saturday is no longer officially recognized as the Jewish sabbath, and Jewish pupils are compelled to attend school on that day. There are three synagogues in Tehran, but since 1994, there has been no rabbi in Iran, and the bet din does not function. [4]

Following the overthrow of the shah and the declaration of an Islamic state in 1979, Iran severed relations with Israel. The country has subsequently supported many of the Islamic terrorist organizations that target Jews and Israelis, particularly the Lebanon-based, Hezbollah. Nevertheless, Iran's Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel.

On the eve of Passover in 1999, 13 Jews from Shiraz and Isfahan in southern Iran were arrested and accused of spying for Israel and the United States. In September 2000, an Iranian appeals court upheld a decision to imprison ten of the thirteen Jews accused of spying for Israel. In the appeals court, ten of the accused were found guilty of cooperating with Israel and were given prison terms ranging from two to nine years. Three of the accused were found innocent in the first trial.[5] In March 2001, one of the imprisoned Jews was released, a second was freed in January 2002, the remaining eight were set free in late October 2002. The last five apparently were released on furlough for an indefinite period, leaving them vulnerable to future arrest. Three others were reportedly pardoned by Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.[6]

At least 13 Jews have been executed in Iran since the Islamic revolution, most of them for either religious reasons or their connection to Israel. For example, in May 1998, Jewish businessman Ruhollah Kakhodah-Zadeh was hanged in prison without a public charge or legal proceeding, apparently for assisting Jews to emigrate. [7]

Today, Iran's Jewish population is the second largest in the Middle East, after Israel. Reports vary as to the condition and treatment of the small, tight-knit community, and the population of Iranian Jews can only be estimated due to the community’s isolation from world Jewry.

References

[1] U.S. Department of State, International Religious Freedom Report 2009, Released by the Bureau for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor Washington, DC, (October 26, 2009)

[2] U.S. Department of State Report on Human Rights Practices for 1997.

[3] “Many Jews Choose to Stay in Iran,” Associated Press, (Jan. 18, 1998).

[4] Jewish Communities of the World. Reprinted with permission of the World Jewish Congress (WJC). Copyright 1997; Institute of the World Jewish Congress. U.S. State Department Report on Human Rights Practices for 1997.

[5] Schneider, Howard. "Iran Court Reduces Penalties for Jews." Washington Post, (September 22, 2000).

[6] Jerusalem Post, (January 16, 2002); Washington Jewish Week, (October 31, 2002).

[7] U.S. Department of State, International Religious Freedom Report 2001 , Released by the Bureau for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor Washington, DC, (October 26, 2001).

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Tue 03/06/12 02:09 AM
IMO.

Religious aspects aside.

If our Government doesn't quit this "obey us" or (insert consequences) policy on any/all who they "disagree" with we will run out of "allies" and will find ourselves in a very dark place.

Not saying it's possible, as of now, but sure, we can sit here and say, "Yeah we could handle Russia, (outside Nuke's of course), sure we can handle China, Japan, and the Koreas."

But in the end.

If you combine them all, even just those; what then?

Why all this "preemptive" mumbo-jumbo now?

We're in debt trillions, yet still manage to spend 52 billion a year on Nuke development, etc, ourselves.

Super country.
Super hypocrite.

s1owhand's photo
Tue 03/06/12 05:20 AM
We don't have to control the world at all. But 999 out of 1000
countries agree...

No Nutballs with Nukes!

laugh


Bestinshow's photo
Tue 03/06/12 04:35 PM

We don't have to control the world at all. But 999 out of 1000
countries agree...

No Nutballs with Nukes!

laugh


There are a 120 countries in the non aligned nations and the dont care if Iran developes nuclear power.

Only the US Israel and US client states care.

Gas prices up again today thanks warhawks.

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Tue 03/06/12 04:56 PM
Edited by metalwing on Tue 03/06/12 04:59 PM

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 03/06/12 05:09 PM


Your propaganda does not beat facts. Ready for the worst economic times ever? Just start another war over a bunch of BS.

Seriously Isreal has nukes allready refused to sign the non proliferation treaty and attempted to sell nukes to aparthied south africa.

israel spies and betrays this country every chance it gets takes our money and has our kids die killing their enemies.

Totaly absurd arangement.

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 03/06/12 05:12 PM
US Government budget

Schools CANCELED

Hospitals CANCELED

Roads CANCELED

Bridges CANCELED

Flood control CANCELED

Veteran's benefits CANCELED

Bombs for Israel $1923648264729831

Warplanes for Israel $02347503247598043

Cruise Missiles for Israel $2340957230475

Harpoon Missiles for Israel $9864598236498752

Chemical weapons for Israel $2937452374805720

Radars for Israel $239475370458

Missile defense systems for Israel $2390845720375

Warships for Israel $203945238

Surveillance satellites for Israel $29348572964988

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/us-will-ensure-israels-military-superiority-panetta/

s1owhand's photo
Wed 03/07/12 02:42 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Wed 03/07/12 02:46 AM



Your propaganda does not beat facts. Ready for the worst economic times ever? Just start another war over a bunch of BS.

Seriously Isreal has nukes allready refused to sign the non proliferation treaty and attempted to sell nukes to aparthied south africa.

israel spies and betrays this country every chance it gets takes our money and has our kids die killing their enemies.

Totaly absurd arangement.


laugh

Israel makes no claims of nuclear capability and has harassed no one
with their 60 year old nuclear program. They don't threaten to
annihilate anyone and don't fund and support terrorist organizations.

Israel does not kill our kids or cause any U.S. soldiers any harm.
They are our allies. They help us train and supply intelligence and
grant support whenever it is needed. There is no evidence that
Israel tried to sell nuclear technology to anybody ever. The South
African Govt had their own program back in the 60s and 70s but it
never went anywhere and they eventually signed the NPT and
dismantled their small nuclear program. The rest is just a bunch of
rumor and attempts to slander Israel who (like every other
nation on earth) had normal diplomatic relations and correspondence
with South Africa during the 60s and 70s!

On the other hand, Iranian built weapons have been shown being used
to kill Americans in the hands of terrorists such as Taliban, Syrian, Iraqi, Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists. That is why they are
considered the worst national supporter of terrorists in the world
by the U.S. Govt! And you want them to have nuclear weapons!

laugh

For Iran there is no need for War. Just nuclear weapons development
program destruction. Because, having a radical Islamic country who
shouts "Death to America" in a religious fervor at rallies with
their President and Supreme Leader should never ever ever be allowed
to get nuclear weapons technology. For obvious reasons.

whoa
laugh



metalwing's photo
Wed 03/07/12 06:47 AM



Your propaganda does not beat facts. Ready for the worst economic times ever? Just start another war over a bunch of BS.

Seriously Isreal has nukes allready refused to sign the non proliferation treaty and attempted to sell nukes to aparthied south africa.

israel spies and betrays this country every chance it gets takes our money and has our kids die killing their enemies.

Totaly absurd arangement.


You live in a fantasy world. Iran has been killing US soldiers for years. Israel is an ally. Iran will use the bomb if they get it because they are radical nutcakes.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 03/07/12 07:55 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 03/07/12 07:56 AM


We don't have to control the world at all. But 999 out of 1000
countries agree...

No Nutballs with Nukes!

laugh


There are a 120 countries in the non aligned nations and the dont care if Iran developes nuclear power.

Only the US Israel and US client states care.

Gas prices up again today thanks warhawks.
And what Religion do most of them follow?Those 120Countries?
How about Europe,and Iran's Neighbors?laugh
Besides Nuclear Power and Nuclear Weapons are two different thing,which apparently you do not differentiate!


The Clerics are certifiable NutBags,so is their handpicked President,all of whom repeatedly have called for Nuclear Weapons!

Besides,I doubt they will ask you if they pretty please could take out those Sites!

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 03/07/12 08:08 AM
The day after Iran's first nuclear test is a normal day'

A bizarre article on a Revolutionary Guard website breaks a taboo by anticipating the impact of an Iranian bomb

Any mention of an Iranian nuclear weapon is taboo in the Islamic Republic, which insists that its nuclear programme is entirely for peaceful, civil purposes. So it is remarkable, to say the least, that an article has appeared on the Gerdab website, run by Iran's Revolutionary Guards, anticipating the day after Iran's first test of a nuclear warhead. Here is a translation of the text:

The day after Iran's first nuclear test is a normal day.
The day after Islamic Republic of Iran's first nuclear test will be an ordinary day for us Iranians but in the eyes of some of us there will be a new sparkle.
It's a good day. It's seven in the morning. The sun is not fully up yet but everywhere is bright. In the northern hemisphere many countries are beginning the day...
The day before, probably in central deserts of Iran, where once Americans and some other Western countries wanted to bury their nuclear waste, an underground nuclear explosion has taken place. The strength of the explosion was not so great as to cause severe damage to the region nor so weak that Iranian scientists face any problems in running their tests.
Today is a normal day like any other. Like 90% of the year, there is news about Iran, and these are the headlines which can be seen on foreign news sites:
Reuters: Iran detonated its nuclear bomb
CNN: Iran detonated nuclear bomb
Al-Jazeera: The second Islamic nuclear bomb was tested
Al-Arabia: The Shia nuclear bomb was tested
Yahoo! News: Nuclear explosion in Iran
Jerusalem Post: Mullahs obtained nuclear weapon
Washington Post: Nuclear explosion in Iran, Shock and despair in Tel Aviv
Meanwhile, the domestic media will offer many congratulations to the Hidden Imam and the Supreme Leader:
Keyhan: Iran's first nuclear bomb was tested
Jomhoori-e-eslami: Iran successfully carried out a nuclear test
Iran: By order of the president, Iran's 100% homemade nuclear bomb was tested
Ettela'at: Iran's much anticipated nuclear bomb exploded

This strange, hypothetical, article, which first appeared on April 24, hammers home again and again the message that an Iranian nuclear test will not lead to disaster. On the contrary, life will go as before except that Iranians will feel better about themselves.

The news commotion will not knock life in Iran off balance. Civil servants will punch in at work on time as always, while some will be late as always. ...The day after the Islamic Republic of Iran's first nuclear test will be an ordinary day for us Iranians but in the eyes of some of us there will be a new sparkle. A sparkle of national pride and strength.

This has the look of a kite being flown, but for whom? It could be intended to get Iranians used to the idea of a nuclear test, and less fearful of international reaction. It could be a gesture of defiance to the world by hardline elements - according to independent experts, Gerdab is run by the Revolutionary Guards' cyber defence command, which is presumably still smarting from the Stuxnet attack. Opposition websites describe it as an enforcement tool for the regime, identifying and threatening independent bloggers inside Iran.
The article comes during a period when Tehran's official stance is particularly defiant and assertive, announcing today that it will triple its production of 20% enriched uranium and shift it to the underground Fordow site, near Qom.

Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian-Israeli expert on the Tehran regime currently lecturing in Colombia, described the Gerdab article as "unbelievable".

I have never seen anything like this report. It's breaking a major taboo. For now we have to treat it as a one off. However if this report is followed by others similar to it, then it would signify a major change in the way Iran refers to its nuclear program. It would mean that Iran has decided to use the idea of a nuclear bomb as a deterrence against further sanctions and the possibility of a military attack by the West. It could also be a tool for the regime to boost its waning popularity at home.
Such a change could prove to be very damaging in the short and long term, as it would be a significant boost for western efforts to isolate Iran and to consolidate the international consensus against the Islamic Republic and its nuclear program. Such isolation and deteriorating economic situation could be more damaging to the regime's top priority, which is its survival, than a military attack by the West.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/jun/08/iran-blogging

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48889


Lots of Chamberlains about!

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Wed 03/07/12 08:44 AM
There is so much conflicting information on this page a normal person has no idea what is going on.

Watch the Daily show. He says all this puffing and pawing is because of elections.

But it is a fact that a country is not respected or recognized even as a country unless it has a government supported military. If Iran disarmed itself completely it would be at the mercy of anyone --->ANYONE<--- who decided to move in and take control.

They are fighting for SURVIVAL of their country.


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Wed 03/07/12 08:48 AM
Israel needs to stop begging for handouts from America (have you seen the ads on television where you can donate to poor Jews in Israel?)

With all the money America sends the country and government of Israel, why can't they take care of their own poor people??????

Probably because they would rather spend their money on military might to invade other countries and expand their boarders.

Israel needs to take care of their own people and stop sticking their noses into their neighbors business. Iran is only fighting for their survival as a country against paranoid and greedy Israel and America.



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Wed 03/07/12 08:49 AM
hope you all love that phreaking Suntan!

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Wed 03/07/12 09:20 AM

Iran can't build a nuclear weapon without the massive complexes of centrifuges that enrich uranium to bomb-grade level. One enrichment plant called Fordow is buried 250 feet beneath a mountain, where not even America's most powerful conventional weapon - a 30,000 pound bunker buster - can reach it. General James Cartwright, recently retired from the number two job in the U.S. military, said so just the other day during a panel discussion.

The Fordow facility is "deep enough underground that there aren't weapons to go down to penetrate that kind of activity," Cartwright said.

That does not mean Fordow is safe from attack. Its entrances could be sealed off, and there is a large, rectangular building which provides ventilation inside the mountain.

Admiral William Fallon, retired head of the U.S. Central Command, which would conduct a strike, says it's much more complicated.

"There are a lot of targets. This is not a one-time shot. It could take a fair amount of work," Fallon said.

Obama to Netanyahu: U.S. will "always have Israel's back".


Israel is capable of a one-time strike, but only the U.S. has the air power to go back and hit targets again and again. Still, not even the U.S. could wipe out Iran's nuclear program.

"Even if you could, again, you're not going to kill the intellectual capital to just rebuild the centrifuges someplace else and continue on," Cartwright said.

Iran has plans to build 10 more enrichment plants, which is why Israel, with its relatively small air force, has said it cannot afford to wait much longer before it strikes.

The U.S. can afford to wait, but that would leave Israel entrusting its national security to another country, something it has never done.




Since no source for this garbage was given, it is hard to tell what would motivate someone to print such incorrect details of a process so widely known.

To say "Iran can't build the centrifuges .... " is absurd. Pakistan did and so did Korea. These are two countries without the oil resources of Iran. Iran didn't even need to gain technology. It was given to them by Pakistan. And a small bank of centrifuges can do the same job over time as a large bank can quickly.Enriched fuel could also be directly supplied by Pakistan.

And who said a strike would be limited to conventional weapons? If the goal is to preserve Israel's existence from nuclear weapons, the best weapon to use would be an atomic bomb! It would guarantee total destruction of the facility leaving it "hot" for decades. It would also leave wide open the fact that the next strike would be on the capital.

There would be a lot of noise but the war would be over. No one would step in to counterstrike in Iran's defense with the US fleet sitting offshore. Saddam found out the difference between a big army and a modern big army. The rest of the world watched.


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Wed 03/07/12 12:40 PM




Your propaganda does not beat facts. Ready for the worst economic times ever? Just start another war over a bunch of BS.

Seriously Isreal has nukes allready refused to sign the non proliferation treaty and attempted to sell nukes to aparthied south africa.

israel spies and betrays this country every chance it gets takes our money and has our kids die killing their enemies.

Totaly absurd arangement.


You live in a fantasy world. Iran has been killing US soldiers for years. Israel is an ally. Iran will use the bomb if they get it because they are radical nutcakes.
Prove Iran has been killing americans for years. Let me know who lives in a fantasy world.