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If the entire universe is intelligent, explain the US Congress?
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 04/11/12 11:39 AM
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WholesomeWoman, I don't have a creation theory. I don't believe anything in the Bible in regards to creation in the literal sense.
I am also very aware of all the things you posted in the above post. I regard life to be a miracle WholesomeWoman. You are free to regard it as an accident if you wish. I realize that all science does is observe and report. Observing how what they call "life" come into existence does not explain life itself. Everything, being connected in the smallest quantum level, interacts and reacts and is drawn together to create life. We all agree with what we all clearly observe. But to say that intelligent life evolves from inanimate "dead" matter is simply something that I disagree with. No matter is "dead" as long as it can still react to other matter. It is not what we define as "life" but it is "alive" in that it is active. It is probably semantics where you (and metalwing) misunderstand what I mean when I say that the universe is alive and creative and intelligent. Everything is relative you know, including intelligence. Science is NO BIG MYSTERY. It is only when you start getting into mathematics that I don't understand because I never cared for math. But you and metalwing are mistaken when you claim that I don't understand science. It is you who do not understand. Your attention is focused strictly on what science can observe, test and report. There is where your boundaries exist. My question has always been, if the elements are "dead" that means they don't work. No combination of any elements will produce life if the elements are dead. There would be no reactions between them. Therefore I say that they are alive. That these elements come together (and cooperate) and create life is what I call "intelligence." (You can call it trial and error or accident if you like.) But they are drawn eventually together. I call that intelligence. Life comes from life. If you say it does not, then your definition of life is simply different than mine. That's all. I don't agree with the mainstream's definition of "life." So sue me. Now I am willing to accept the premise that life comes from death or from nothing and that the elements are not "alive" if and when science can show and explain how life suddenly emerges from something dead. The observation that a cell has divided is not that moment. Sorry. There were things happening long before that happened. If all elements involved were "dead" then nothing would be happening. Therefore I say that when you mix two elements, and something begins to happen, (reaction) I call that life. |
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If the entire universe is intelligent, explain the US Congress? Everything is relative you know, including intelligence. |
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So are you guys agreeing that Life has always been?
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Life in suspension. Is an animal encased in stone for hundreds of years dead or alive?
ASTONISHING CASES Toad in a stone. In 1761, Ambroise Pare, physician to Henry III of France, related the following account to the Annual Register: "Being at my seat near the village of Meudon, and overlooking a quarryman whom I had sent to break some very large and hard stones, in the middle of one we found a huge toad, full of life and without any visible aperture by which it could get there. The laborer told me it was not the first time he had met with a toad and the like creatures within huge blocks of stone." Toad in limestone. In 1865, the Hartlepool Free Press reported that excavators working on a block of magnesium limestone taken from about 25 feet underground near Hartlepool, England, discovered a cavity within the stone that contained a live toad. "The cavity was no larger than its body, and presented the appearance of being a cast of it. The toad's eyes shone with unusual brilliancy, and it was full of vivacity on its liberation. It appeared, when first discovered, desirous to perform the process of respiration, but evidently experienced some difficulty, and the only sign of success consisted of a 'barking' noise, which it continues to make invariably at present on being touched. The toad is in the possession of Mr. S. Horner, the president of the Natural History Society, and continues in as lively a state as when found. On a minute examination of its mouth is found to be completely closed, and the barking noise it makes proceeds from its nostrils. The claws of its fore feet are turned inwards, and its hind ones are of extraordinary length and unlike the present English toad. The toad, when first released, was of a pale colour and not readily distinguished from the stone, but shortly after its colour grew darker until it became a fine olive brown." Toad in a boulder. Around the same time, an article in Scientific American related how a silver miner named Moses Gaines found a toad inside a two-foot diameter boulder. The article stated that the toad was "three inches long and very plump and fat. Its eyes were about the size of a silver cent piece, being much larger than those of toads of the same size as we see every day. They tried to make him hop or jump by touching him with a stick, but he paid no attention." A later article in Scientific American said: "Many well authenticated stories of the finding of live toads and frogs in solid rock are on record." Lizard revives. In 1821, Tilloch's Philosophical Magazine wrote how David Virtue, a stone mason, was working on a large chunk of rock that had come from about 22 feet below the surface when "he found a lizard embedded in the stone. It was coiled up in a round cavity of its own form, being an exact impression of the animal. It was about an inch and a quarter long, of a brownish yellow color, and had a round head, with bright sparkling projecting eyes. It was apparently dead, but after being about five minutes exposed to the air it showed signs of life. It soon ran about with much celerity." Toad and lizard in solid rock. During World War II, a British soldier was working with a team in the quarrying of stone for making roads and filling in bomb craters. They often used explosives to crack open the rock. After one such detonation, the soldier pried a stone slab away from the quarry face when he saw "in a pocket in the rock a large toad and beside it a lizard at least nine inches long. Both these animals were alive, and the amazing thing was that the cavity they were in was at least 20 feet from the top of the quarry face." |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 04/11/12 11:53 AM
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So are you guys agreeing that Life has always been? Nobody is agreeing here.  I just said that the universe is alive and intelligent. Some people disagree. That means that they think that life evolves from something dead. I disagree. |
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If the entire universe is intelligent, explain the US Congress? ------ @WholesomeWoman, welcome to m2! ----- So are you guys agreeing that Life has always been? Nobody is agreeing here. I agree. |
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Life in suspension. Is an animal encased in stone for hundreds of years dead or alive? ASTONISHING CASES Toad in a stone. In 1761, Ambroise Pare, physician to Henry III of France, related the following account to the Annual Register: "Being at my seat near the village of Meudon, and overlooking a quarryman whom I had sent to break some very large and hard stones, in the middle of one we found a huge toad, full of life and without any visible aperture by which it could get there. The laborer told me it was not the first time he had met with a toad and the like creatures within huge blocks of stone." Toad in limestone. In 1865, the Hartlepool Free Press reported that excavators working on a block of magnesium limestone taken from about 25 feet underground near Hartlepool, England, discovered a cavity within the stone that contained a live toad. "The cavity was no larger than its body, and presented the appearance of being a cast of it. The toad's eyes shone with unusual brilliancy, and it was full of vivacity on its liberation. It appeared, when first discovered, desirous to perform the process of respiration, but evidently experienced some difficulty, and the only sign of success consisted of a 'barking' noise, which it continues to make invariably at present on being touched. The toad is in the possession of Mr. S. Horner, the president of the Natural History Society, and continues in as lively a state as when found. On a minute examination of its mouth is found to be completely closed, and the barking noise it makes proceeds from its nostrils. The claws of its fore feet are turned inwards, and its hind ones are of extraordinary length and unlike the present English toad. The toad, when first released, was of a pale colour and not readily distinguished from the stone, but shortly after its colour grew darker until it became a fine olive brown." Toad in a boulder. Around the same time, an article in Scientific American related how a silver miner named Moses Gaines found a toad inside a two-foot diameter boulder. The article stated that the toad was "three inches long and very plump and fat. Its eyes were about the size of a silver cent piece, being much larger than those of toads of the same size as we see every day. They tried to make him hop or jump by touching him with a stick, but he paid no attention." A later article in Scientific American said: "Many well authenticated stories of the finding of live toads and frogs in solid rock are on record." Lizard revives. In 1821, Tilloch's Philosophical Magazine wrote how David Virtue, a stone mason, was working on a large chunk of rock that had come from about 22 feet below the surface when "he found a lizard embedded in the stone. It was coiled up in a round cavity of its own form, being an exact impression of the animal. It was about an inch and a quarter long, of a brownish yellow color, and had a round head, with bright sparkling projecting eyes. It was apparently dead, but after being about five minutes exposed to the air it showed signs of life. It soon ran about with much celerity." Toad and lizard in solid rock. During World War II, a British soldier was working with a team in the quarrying of stone for making roads and filling in bomb craters. They often used explosives to crack open the rock. After one such detonation, the soldier pried a stone slab away from the quarry face when he saw "in a pocket in the rock a large toad and beside it a lizard at least nine inches long. Both these animals were alive, and the amazing thing was that the cavity they were in was at least 20 feet from the top of the quarry face." Isn't it interesting that such things are no longer found in stones? |
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I don't trust lizards that run around with celery.
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Edited by
metalwing
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Wed 04/11/12 01:47 PM
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A horned toad was put in the courthouse cornerstone in Eastland, Texas and dug up 31 years later. The toad was still alive. It was witnessed by several people.
I don't think 31 years equates to thousands of years but it does show that hibernation can reduce the body's needs to close to zero. The toad was a famous event in Texas. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19280401&id=3GRQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yQ4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6466,296265 |
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A horned toad was put in the courthouse cornerstone in Eastland, Texas and dug up 31 years later. The toad was still alive. It was witnessed by several people. I don't thing 31 years equates to thousands of years but it does show that hibernation can reduce the body's needs to close to zero. The toad was a famous event in Texas. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19280401&id=3GRQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yQ4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6466,296265 In 1928, people still believed that there were man-eating trees in Madagascar. I think that there are some far more probable explanations for the frog. Hoax comes to mind. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entombed_animal
I've heard that early (19th century) experiments which 'proved' that toads could go into suspended animation used defective materials that would allow insects to crawl to the toads. |
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Thought I saw something about a frozen toad somewhere. emmm this was long before I became a proper skeptic . . . so I am skeptical of what I remember hehe.
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"... Thirty-one years later, it was decided that courthouse number two had outlived its usefulness and was torn down to make way for an improved Art Deco model. Remembering that inside lay an unfortunate horny toad, three thousand citizens turned out to witness the opening of the old building's time capsule. Was the little guy dead? Did he somehow survive? Schrödinger himself would have been on the edge of his seat.
He ain't waking up this time. On February 18, 1928, the horned toad was lifted from his tomb, lifeless and covered with dust, and held aloft for all to see. To the crowd's astonishment, his leg began to twitch, and within moments, his whole body was wriggling with life. The audience was ecstatic. Rip, subsequently named for the sleepy Van Winkle, had survived the ordeal unharmed. Naturally, there are plenty of spoilsports who say the whole thing was just a big publicity stunt. To them, the people of Eastland offer up a big, collective raspberry. Besides, if Old Rip had been the subject of a hoax, how could anyone have come up with a live horned lizard in February when they were all hibernating underground? Sadly, however, Old Rip didn't live long to enjoy his ensuing celebrity. On January 19, less than a year after his release, he succumbed to pneumonia. His little, light-brown body was embalmed and displayed in the new courthouse, where he resides today." Say what you will but three thousand people witnessed the toad on the opening of the time capsule. Ol' Rip went on to meet Calvin Coolidge and went into the Guinness Book of World Records. |
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A horned toad was put in the courthouse cornerstone in Eastland, Texas and dug up 31 years later. The toad was still alive. It was witnessed by several people. I don't thing 31 years equates to thousands of years but it does show that hibernation can reduce the body's needs to close to zero. The toad was a famous event in Texas. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19280401&id=3GRQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yQ4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6466,296265 In 1928, people still believed that there were man-eating trees in Madagascar. I think that there are some far more probable explanations for the frog. Hoax comes to mind. If you find that hard to believe then you don't want to hear about the hibernation of the reptoids of the underground, and the reptilians from orion, or the gargoils then.  
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Back to evolution.
Here is a good question. The dinosaurs were roaming the earth and evolving for a hugely longer time than mammals and mankind. Why is it so hard to believe that a humanoid reptilian creature could not have evolved as well? And, being reptilian, why would it not be possible for them to hibernate for hundreds of years like the legends of the gargoils? Or into a shapeshifting reptilian creature that can look human? Billions of years they had ahead of us to evolve. |
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Billions?
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Billions? Well if you consider the entire universe, yes. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 04/11/12 04:38 PM
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Astronomers have determined that our universe is 13.7 billion years old.
Would you agree that if there is life anywhere else in this galaxy, having evolved for billions of years, and given the fact that dinosaurs and reptiles of all kinds were here long before mankind as we know it today, that it is possible that some form of reptilian humanoid could exist having evolved elsewhere in this galaxy? And giving the fact that the small amount of time we humans have existed here on earth and the fact that we have developed the technology that we have today, even creating new life, and cloning etc., that a reptilian humanoid creature could exist in this galaxy and have somewhat different and extremely far more advanced technology than we have.... There may be all kinds of species reptilian and otherwise all over the galaxy. They may have discovered worm-hole travel thus not require vehicles that travel faster than the speed of light to get from place to place. The Draco:  "These entities, as well as the elite of the other Reptilian species [that also have winged appendages] were the source for some of the legends of the past relating to gargoyles and Valkyries. It is also apparent that some of the qualities ascribed to vampires have also been taken from these creatures. Interjection: These 'elite' reptilians have gone by many names: Gargoyles, Mothmen, Birdmen, Winged Draco, Winged Serpents, Ciakars, etc."  
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meh...they r the same to me
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