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Topic: Why Ireland supports Palestine...
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Sat 06/16/12 05:51 AM
Ever wonder why the Irish support Plaestine?...Ireland has one of the most organized and effective chapters of the international PSC (Palestine Solidarity Campaigns) in the world...Some of their attempts to isolate and delegitimize Israel include boycotting Israel, trying to convince Aer Lingus to cancel flights to Israel, rowdy pickets like the one held at the Israeli Embassy in Dublin during the flotilla crisis....

In the conflict between Israel and REACTIONARY RELIGIOUS TOTALITARIAN ENEMIES like Hamas, Fatal, Hazbollah, Syria, and Iran, ever wonder why the western "far" left sides with religious totalitarians?...I did...

Ever wonder why the Irish left follows the western left in such a bizarre prejudice based on self loathing and completely devoid of logic?...I did...

Did you know that much of Ireland is ANTI-ISRAEL, even many of its politicians? ...

Did you know there was a Catholic program against Jews in 1904-1906?...

Did you know that Ireland was NEUTRAL during the Holocaust?...

Did you know tha Sinn Fein/IRA supported Nazi Germany?...

Have you ever read Rory Miller?...

For several months I wondered what feeds such bias and hatred...Finally, I decided to find out...I was amazed to discover how much info is available on the subject....It was a great "learning" experience....




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Sat 06/16/12 06:34 AM
I was not aware of such. Think it's their water?

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Sat 06/16/12 08:04 AM
Check out this article:

Why I used to hate Israel – confessions of an Irish film-maker
editor Wednesday 25 April 2012

http://www.whyisrael.org/2012/04/25/why-i-used-to-hate-israel-confessions-of-an-irish-film-maker/

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Sat 06/16/12 08:18 AM

Check out this article:

Why I used to hate Israel – confessions of an Irish film-maker
editor Wednesday 25 April 2012

http://www.whyisrael.org/2012/04/25/why-i-used-to-hate-israel-confessions-of-an-irish-film-maker/


From your article...

"Yet when I interviewed Hind Khoury, a former Palestinian government member, she sat forward angrily in her chair as she refused to condemn the actions of the suicide bombers. She was all aggression."

"He talked slowly about his time in Gaza. He spoke about 20 Arab teenagers filled with ecstasy tablets and sent running towards the base he’d patrolled. Each strapped with a bomb and carrying a hand-held detonator. The pills in their bloodstream meant they felt no pain. Only a headshot would take them down."

"An Irish artist is supposed to sign boycotts, wear a PLO scarf, and remonstrate loudly about The Occupation. But it’s not just artists who are supposed to hate Israel. Being anti-Israel is supposed to be part of our Irish identity, the same way we are supposed to resent the English."


"Free speech must work both ways. But back in Dublin, whenever I speak up for Israel, the Fiachras and Fionas look at me aghast, as if I’d pissed on their paninis."

Good read...:smile:

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Sat 06/16/12 09:17 AM
Condolences on Hitler's death

Ireland maintained a public stance of neutrality to the end by refusing to close the German and Japanese Legations, and the Taoiseach Éamon de Valera signed the book of condolence on Adolf Hitler’s death, on May 2, 1945, and personally visited Ambassador Hempel, following the usual protocol on the death of a Head of State of a state with a legation in Ireland. President Douglas Hyde visited Hempel separately on 3 May.[38] The visits caused a storm of protest in the United States.[39] The German armies surrendered on 8 May. Hempel voluntarily moved out of his legation on 10 May, and forwarded the key to de Valera, who passed it to the American ambassador, as he considered that the USA was then in control of Germany.

I didn't know this.spock

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Sat 06/16/12 10:19 AM

Condolences on Hitler's death

Ireland maintained a public stance of neutrality to the end by refusing to close the German and Japanese Legations, and the Taoiseach Éamon de Valera signed the book of condolence on Adolf Hitler’s death, on May 2, 1945, and personally visited Ambassador Hempel, following the usual protocol on the death of a Head of State of a state with a legation in Ireland. President Douglas Hyde visited Hempel separately on 3 May.[38] The visits caused a storm of protest in the United States.[39] The German armies surrendered on 8 May. Hempel voluntarily moved out of his legation on 10 May, and forwarded the key to de Valera, who passed it to the American ambassador, as he considered that the USA was then in control of Germany.

I didn't know this.spock


But now you do....:wink:

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Sat 06/16/12 11:30 AM
What we really know about WWII is what they tell us to know. The truth about that war is very much obscured by that fact.

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Sat 06/16/12 01:46 PM

What we really know about WWII is what they tell us to know. The truth about that war is very much obscured by that fact.


So true.


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Sat 06/16/12 01:47 PM
Did you know that The Bush Family helped organize and supported the third Reich?

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Sat 06/16/12 01:50 PM
Did you know that Hitler did not die when and how they claim he did? He actually fled to South America months before the end of the war. He didn't actually die until 1995. Some of his top henchmen went with him. They had plastic surgery and disguised themselves as Jews. Hitler lived the rest of his life pretending to be a priest.

Also, did you know that the fourth Reich is alive and well in South America?


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Sat 06/16/12 02:16 PM

Did you know that Hitler did not die when and how they claim he did? He actually fled to South America months before the end of the war. He didn't actually die until 1995. Some of his top henchmen went with him. They had plastic surgery and disguised themselves as Jews. Hitler lived the rest of his life pretending to be a priest.

Also, did you know that the fourth Reich is alive and well in South America?



Yes, we knew all about it. winking

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Sat 06/16/12 02:22 PM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 06/16/12 02:24 PM
"And here's to you Mrs. Robinson"...Mary Robinson, president of Ireland 1990-97....

"Criticism of Mr. Obama’s award, to be officially bestowed tomorrow, has centered on Ms. Robinson’s central organizing role as secretary general of the 2001 “World Conference Against Racism” in Durban, South Africa. Instead of concentrating on its purported objectives, Durban was virulently anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and at least implicitly anti-American."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342152496390582.html

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Sat 06/16/12 02:56 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/16/12 03:12 PM


Did you know that Hitler did not die when and how they claim he did? He actually fled to South America months before the end of the war. He didn't actually die until 1995. Some of his top henchmen went with him. They had plastic surgery and disguised themselves as Jews. Hitler lived the rest of his life pretending to be a priest.

Also, did you know that the fourth Reich is alive and well in South America?



Yes, we knew all about it. winking



Yep those involved with the fourth Reich usually do. :tongue: laugh

I'm just a conspiracy theory fan. :wink: laugh

I know them all.



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Sat 06/16/12 03:08 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/16/12 03:23 PM

"And here's to you Mrs. Robinson"...Mary Robinson, president of Ireland 1990-97....

"Criticism of Mr. Obama’s award, to be officially bestowed tomorrow, has centered on Ms. Robinson’s central organizing role as secretary general of the 2001 “World Conference Against Racism” in Durban, South Africa. Instead of concentrating on its purported objectives, Durban was virulently anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and at least implicitly anti-American."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342152496390582.html


If Mrs Robinson is against racism, I can understand why she is anti-Israel or anti-Zionism since Israel practices racism to the max.

One cannot be anti-Semitic against a non-Semitic European people, which are the people who most populate the Zionist agenda.

European Jews do love the expression of anti-Semitic because the word 'Semitic' is related to the Middle Eastern region, and anything that would hopefully connect the European Ashkenazi Jews to Palestine is highly desired by Euro-Jewry.

The world 'Semitic' does not apply to people but to languages of the Middle Eastern and East African region such as Arabic, Amharic, Tigrina, and Hebrew.

Yes, indeed, Hebrew was a language spoken in ancient times in the Arab region but European Khazars who later came to be known as 'Jews' adopted the Hebrew language along with the religion after converting to Judaism in the 9th century.

Being anti-Zionist or against racism does not equal "anti-Semitism" and I have no respect for any article or author who still uses that expression.

The expression dates back only about one hundred years and it was an expression of European people's biases against their very own European Jews. People who use it are immediately identified as having an agenda against anyone who criticizes the brutal regime that is characterized by the movement known as Zionism, much like people who use the "n" word to refer to black or dark skinned people.

Progressive people know that the expression "anti-Semitic" as being politically incorrect. It is name-calling and accusatory.


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Sat 06/16/12 03:22 PM
From Rory Millers book "Ireland and the Plaestine Question"....

1. Ireland strongly condemned the Israeli bombing of Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981.

2. Ireland strongly opposed the building of the life-saving Israeli wall in 2003.

3. FF governments were consistently pro-Palestinian throughout the 1980s (and since). FG was little better. Labour was even worse.

4. The Irish taxpayer has been forced to send money to the Palestinians through the UN since 1959, and directly since the 1980s (and still today). It seems that some of our money has been used to pay for hate-filled schoolbooks that promote jihad and Islamic terror.

5. Ireland was the last EU country to grant permission (in 1993) for an Israeli embassy.

6. PLO terrorist dictator Arafat made an official visit to Ireland (1993) before any democratically-elected Israeli prime minister ever did (1996). The PLO terrorist even spoke before the Oireachtas foreign affairs committee.

7. Christian Aid and Trocaire have been pro-Palestinian since at least 1990.

8. David Norris used to support Israel.

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Sat 06/16/12 03:54 PM
The wall Israel was building was a ridiculous idea and it was extremely inconvenient for people, cutting them off from their land and crops.

Life saving? I hardly think so.

Opponents of the barrier object that the route substantially deviates from the Green Line into the occupied territories captured by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967. They argue that the barrier is an illegal attempt to annex Palestinian land under the guise of security,[6] violates international law,[7] has the effect of undermining negotiations (by establishing new borders),[8] and severely restricts Palestinians who live nearby, particularly their ability to travel freely within the West Bank and to access work in Israel.[8] In a 2004 advisory opinion, the International Court of Justice considered that "Israel cannot rely on a right of self-defence or on a state of necessity in order to preclude the wrongfulness of the construction of the wall". The Court found that "the construction of the wall, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law".

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Sat 06/16/12 03:58 PM

From Rory Millers book "Ireland and the Plaestine Question"....

1. Ireland strongly condemned the Israeli bombing of Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981.




Ireland was not the only one who strongly condemned Israeli bombing of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.

Wiki:

Operation Opera (Hebrew: אופרה‎)[1], also known as Operation Babylon[2] was a surprise Israeli air strike carried out on 7 June 1981, that destroyed a nuclear reactor under construction 17 kilometers (10.5 miles) southeast of Baghdad, Iraq.[3][4][5]

In 1976, Iraq purchased an "Osiris"-class nuclear reactor from France.[6][7] While Iraq and France maintained that the reactor, named Osirak by the French, was intended for peaceful scientific research,[8] the Israelis viewed the reactor with suspicion, and said that it was designed to make nuclear weapons.[3] On 7 June 1981, a flight of Israeli Air Force F-16A fighter aircraft, with an escort of F-15As, bombed and heavily damaged the Osirak reactor.[9] Israel claimed it acted in self-defense, and that the reactor had "less than a month to go" before "it might have become critical."[10] Ten Iraqi soldiers and one French civilian were killed.[11] The attack took place about three weeks before the elections for the Knesset.[12]

The attack was strongly criticized around the world and Israel was rebuked by the United Nations Security Council and General Assembly in two separate resolutions.[13][14] The destruction of Osirak has been cited as an example of a preventive strike in contemporary scholarship on international law.[15][16][17]

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Sat 06/16/12 04:49 PM
Iraq was planning a holocaust against Israel!...The decision to destroy their reactor did not come easily and came only AFTER intense diplomatic efforts failed...France was looking out for France in the form of dollar bills because Iraq was their primary weapons "customer"...Italy only cared about Iraqi oil, and US, even after verifying and agreeing with Israel's assessment, WRONGLY failed to act...A decade later and because hindsight is 20/20 we acknowledged the decision to destroy the reactor was correct....Imagine a nuclear armed Iraq during the Persian Gulf War...

Professor Louis Rene Beres wrote that, “Israel’s citizens, together with Jews and Arabs, American, and other coalition soldiers who fought in the Gulf War may owe their lives to Israel’s courage, skill, and foresight in June 1981. Had it not been for the brilliant raid at Osiraq, Saddam’s forces might have been equipped with atomic warheads in 1991. Ironically, the Saudis, too, are in Jerusalem’s debt. Had it not been for Prime Minister Begin’s resolve to protect the Israeli people in 1981, Iraq’s SCUDs falling on Saudi Arabia might have spawned immense casualties and lethal irradiation.”

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Sat 06/16/12 05:12 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/16/12 05:16 PM
I guess paranoia is the price you pay when all your neighbors hate you. I wonder why Israel hasn't learned how to make friends? Could it be that they just like to be the boss of everyone? laugh

That hatred and war has been going on for so long, I don't think there will ever be peace. Its hard to make peace with someone you can't trust.

Israel has enemies. That is very clear. I have no doubt about that. They have been making enemies for a very long time.








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Sat 06/16/12 06:02 PM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 06/16/12 06:04 PM
Israel built a "security fence" AFTER suffering hundreds of suicide bombings, daily TERRORIST attacks, 850 deaths, and thousands wounded....
Many nations, including the US, have used this technique to protect their boarders...Get this, after condemning Israel's "security fence" the UN announced plans to build their own security fence around their NY headquarters...laugh

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