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Slow, I'm sorry you don't understand.
The Taliban were NEVER voted in. The Muslim Brotherhood were voted in democratically in Egypt. Just like Hamas... It's a political party voted in BY THE PEOPLE! |
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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Mon 09/10/12 03:00 PM
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hamas is a terrorist organization, not a political party... if Hamas would release control of Palestine, there would be peace... not so hard, now is it?
Sir, I'm sorry we don't agree on this but having held fair elections in 06' and Hamas winning them? They became de-facto a political party Edit* Allocate the 50billion$ US to Palestine this year instead of Israel. Treat the people better than Hamas ever could, and watch peace unfold. What are the chances Israel goes for that?  
The chances? Slim and none. They won by election, fair and square, so what can you say? Its a democracy. Do we hate democracy now? Apparently. weak argument... you know they are considered terrorists... and how do you know it was "fair and square"? even our elections are anything but fair and square... ask al gore about that and see what he says.... Palestine is getting about 2 billion a year from the US, where Israel is getting about 10 billion a year... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid I'm glad you posted that Moe, if you calculate Per capita, Every Israeli would get 1282$ compared to 465$ for each Palestinian. Some 3 Times the amount. And please consider, The Palestinians need to rebuild their civil infrastructure including Schools & hospitals... EVERY 3-4 YEARS!
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from Wiki:
The History of Hamas is an account of the Palestinian Islamist[1][2] fundamentalist[3][4][5] socio-political organization with an associated paramilitary force, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[1][6][7] Hamas (حماس) Ḥamās is an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement". Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations. In the 1980s the Brotherhood emerged as a powerful political factor, challenging the influence of the PLO,[5] and in 1987 adopted a more nationalist and activist line under the name of Hamas.[5] During the 1990s and early 2000s, the organization conducted numerous suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel and its occupation of the Palestinian Territories. In the Palestinian legislative election of January 2006, Hamas gained a large majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament, defeating the ruling Fatah party. After the elections, conflicts arose between Hamas and Fatah, which they were unable to resolve.[8][9][10] In June 2007, Hamas defeated Fatah in a series of violent clashes, and since that time Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories, while at the same time they were ousted from government positions in the West Bank.[11][12] Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza and largely sealed their borders with the territory.[13][14] After acquiring control of Gaza, Hamas-affiliated and other militias launched rocket attacks upon Israel, which Hamas ceased in June 2008 following an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire.[15] The ceasefire broke down late in 2008, with each side accusing the other of responsibility.[16] In late December 2008, Israel attacked Gaza,[17] withdrawing its forces in mid-January 2009.[18] |
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hamas is a terrorist organization, not a political party... if Hamas would release control of Palestine, there would be peace... not so hard, now is it?
Sir, I'm sorry we don't agree on this but having held fair elections in 06' and Hamas winning them? They became de-facto a political party Edit* Allocate the 50billion$ US to Palestine this year instead of Israel. Treat the people better than Hamas ever could, and watch peace unfold. What are the chances Israel goes for that?
The chances? Slim and none. They won by election, fair and square, so what can you say? Its a democracy. Do we hate democracy now? Apparently. weak argument... you know they are considered terrorists... and how do you know it was "fair and square"? even our elections are anything but fair and square... ask al gore about that and see what he says.... Palestine is getting about 2 billion a year from the US, where Israel is getting about 10 billion a year... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid I'm glad you posted that Moe, if you calculate Per capita, Every Israeli would get 1282$ compared to 465$ for each Palestinian. Some 3 Times the amount. And please consider, The Palestinians need to rebuild their civil infrastructure including Schools & hospitals... EVERY 3-4 YEARS!
if they had a real government instead of a terrorist leaders, they would probably get it... but instead, the focus on making Israeli lives miserable instead of improving their local infrastructure... |
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Slow, I'm sorry you don't understand. The Taliban were NEVER voted in. The Muslim Brotherhood were voted in democratically in Egypt. Just like Hamas... It's a political party voted in BY THE PEOPLE! terrorists vote for terrorists... majority rules in every democracy.. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/10/12 03:56 PM
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Yes, that's right. The Palestinians waste their opportunity to
build a future and instead live their lives in a ghetto of hatred of their own design and construction. 
"on Dec. 27, 2008, Israel launched a three-week war on Gaza Strip to stop militants from firing home-made Palestinian rockets on Israeli towns and settlements. The Israeli offensive killed 1,400 Palestinians and injured 5, 400 others, leaving thousands of people homeless after having their houses totally or partially destroyed. The offensive also inflicted $1.6 billion in damages to the Gazan economy. However, since the end of Gaza war on January 2009, Gaza has been blockaded,which is a situation that has caused a decline in the standard of living, unemployment, and poverty. In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison, it is poorer and hungrier. In other words Israel is returning Gaza Strip to the Middle Ages. It is truly disgusting how Hamas caused the war, refused to stop attacking Israelis, continues to foment hatred, located their rockets next to schools, mosques and hospitals cynically trying to cause civilian casualties. Hamas has the blood of thousands on their hands. They have caused by their bigotry and violence all manner of poverty, despair and deaths of their own population. Hamas has returned Gaza to the middle ages. The blockade slur is a lie. Palestinians have access to non-military goods and services including all humanitarian aid. Hamas is solely responsible for the poverty of Gazans now that they have decided to forego modernization and peaceful coexistence in favor of terrorist attacks and 5th century radical Islamic society a la Taliban. It is a prison I will agree with you but there are no bars. Their isolation and prison sentence is their own Hamas-supported cage of hatred and bigotry. Remember. Had there been no rocket attacks there would never have been any war. If they had stopped the rocket attacks when asked the war would have been averted. Hamas caused the war and caused the casualties. Hamas owns the hatred and is reaping the great harvest of their own bigotry and irrational Jew-hatred. Sad. But very true. True, and it is quite telling how these dupes continually overlook this side of the story. 'But it is not 'anti-Semitism' criticising Israel.' If the bias is directed toward Israel without considering the fact that the Palestinian violence initiates these military responses, it is anti-Semitism. Is this a joke Borg?
Hamas is backed by Iran & Syria... Both these countries have advanced weapons systems capable of delivering much heavier munition payloads with accuracy. Why are they using "home made" papier mache rockets? Israel is holding 1.5 million population hostage because of a few rogue elements... Israels military incursions are like smashing a fragile egg with a bulldozers shovel... Get a grip Borgie! Hamas is now a political party and as such, is responsible for the populations well being. In essence, Hamas is the only entity helping the people right now and that's precisely why the locals support them. If you insist on calling me Borg, do you mind if I address you as 'Idiot'? Get a grip and save your exaggeration for the stupid people that might believe your drivel. Papier Mache rockets-what a joke! A few rogue elements-what a joke, you obviously ignored my post on page one regarding the Hamas Charter. Your so-called reply to my question regarding the charter was deliberately evasive. Hamas is a terrorist organisation and support for them is not universal-they eliminated their opposition. Did you not read the reports of Hamas rounding up and imprisoning PLO members? Have you not seen footage of Hamas thugs creating a reign of terror? Do you usually ignore the obvious to feed your prejudice? Save your ad hominem little man, and your moronic BS and put your time to better use, such as trying to comprehend the situation. |
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from Wiki: The History of Hamas is an account of the Palestinian Islamist[1][2] fundamentalist[3][4][5] socio-political organization with an associated paramilitary force, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[1][6][7] Hamas (حماس) Ḥamās is an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement". Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations. In the 1980s the Brotherhood emerged as a powerful political factor, challenging the influence of the PLO,[5] and in 1987 adopted a more nationalist and activist line under the name of Hamas.[5] During the 1990s and early 2000s, the organization conducted numerous suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel and its occupation of the Palestinian Territories. In the Palestinian legislative election of January 2006, Hamas gained a large majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament, defeating the ruling Fatah party. After the elections, conflicts arose between Hamas and Fatah, which they were unable to resolve.[8][9][10] In June 2007, Hamas defeated Fatah in a series of violent clashes, and since that time Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories, while at the same time they were ousted from government positions in the West Bank.[11][12] Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza and largely sealed their borders with the territory.[13][14] After acquiring control of Gaza, Hamas-affiliated and other militias launched rocket attacks upon Israel, which Hamas ceased in June 2008 following an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire.[15] The ceasefire broke down late in 2008, with each side accusing the other of responsibility.[16] In late December 2008, Israel attacked Gaza,[17] withdrawing its forces in mid-January 2009.[18] You're letting facts inhibit the dissemination of anti-Semitic bile. |
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hamas is a terrorist organization, not a political party... if Hamas would release control of Palestine, there would be peace... not so hard, now is it?
Sir, I'm sorry we don't agree on this but having held fair elections in 06' and Hamas winning them? They became de-facto a political party Hamas is both. It is a terrorist political party. Like the Taliban or the Muslim Brotherhood. It is a movement which advocates and carries out the killing of innocent people as a political tactic. Hamas is based on war crimes, torture and intimidation. That is why Hamas in universally abhorred and condemned by all civilized societies and why they do not advance but rather abuse and befoul the Palestinians. Hamas are war criminals and abusers of their own people as well as others. The Taliban were NEVER voted in. The Muslim Brotherhood were voted in democratically in Egypt. Just like Hamas... It's a political party voted in BY THE PEOPLE!
Sure they got voted in! If anyone was not voting for them they would be hounded, caught, detained and abused! Here is how Hamas operates. From a former Hamas leader who now repudiates their bigotry and abuse: http://youtu.be/WJe0vuW_98A |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/10/12 04:56 PM
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hamas is a terrorist organization, not a political party... if Hamas would release control of Palestine, there would be peace... not so hard, now is it?
Sir, I'm sorry we don't agree on this but having held fair elections in 06' and Hamas winning them? They became de-facto a political party Hamas is both. It is a terrorist political party. Like the Taliban or the Muslim Brotherhood. It is a movement which advocates and carries out the killing of innocent people as a political tactic. Hamas is based on war crimes, torture and intimidation. That is why Hamas in universally abhorred and condemned by all civilized societies and why they do not advance but rather abuse and befoul the Palestinians. Hamas are war criminals and abusers of their own people as well as others. The Taliban were NEVER voted in. The Muslim Brotherhood were voted in democratically in Egypt. Just like Hamas... It's a political party voted in BY THE PEOPLE!
Sure they got voted in! If anyone was not voting for them they would be hounded, caught, detained and abused! Here is how Hamas operates. From a former Hamas leader who now repudiates their bigotry and abuse: http://youtu.be/WJe0vuW_98A Hamas eliminated the Fatah opposition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict But they're really nice guys, just misunderstood. 
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Sort of like Israel assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists. Eliminating the opposition.
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Sort of like Israel assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists. Eliminating the opposition. No, not quite the same, as that is only hypothetical. The Hamas elimination of Fatah was real. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 09/10/12 05:32 PM
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Sort of like Israel assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists. Eliminating the opposition. No, not quite the same, as that is only hypothetical. The Hamas elimination of Fatah was real. 
No they really did assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists. Just because no one can "prove it" means nothing. You also can't prove the many crimes of these so called "terrorists" either. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 09/10/12 05:34 PM
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That Arab terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the twin towers on 9-11 is also "hypothetical" and unproven.
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No they really did assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists. Just because no one can "prove it" means nothing. There is a huge flaw in your logic there. a) It is an accusation b) It can't be proved =c) They reeally did assassinate Iranian Nuclear Scientists. I hope you never do jury service.
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No they really did assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists. Just because no one can "prove it" means nothing. There is a huge flaw in your logic there. a) It is an accusation b) It can't be proved =c) They reeally did assassinate Iranian Nuclear Scientists. I hope you never do jury service.
Well so is the "accusation" that Osama Bin Laden masterminded 9-11. There is a flaw in you logic there too. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/10/12 06:37 PM
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No they really did assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists. Just because no one can "prove it" means nothing. There is a huge flaw in your logic there. a) It is an accusation b) It can't be proved =c) They reeally did assassinate Iranian Nuclear Scientists. I hope you never do jury service.
Well so is the "accusation" that Osama Bin Laden masterminded 9-11. There is a flaw in you logic there too. Nyah! Nyah! I didn't bring that up. Do you know what a Red Herring is? Furthermore, why do you insist that these hypotheses are mine when clearly, they aren't?
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You can't have it both ways.
If you don't have proof then it is just an accusation, right? Practice what you preach. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/10/12 06:34 PM
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You can't have it both ways. If you don't have proof then it is just an accusation, right? Practice what you preach. I am, you just can't tell. Anyway, it is still a Red Herring using poor logic. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/10/12 06:36 PM
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Double post
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 09/10/12 06:44 PM
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You can't have it both ways. If you don't have proof then it is just an accusation, right? Practice what you preach. I am, you just can't tell. Anyway, it is still a Red Herring using poor logic. Poor logic on your part. You believe (or choose to believe) Osama Bin Laden and his buds were behind 9-11 even though there is no proof. Even though the FBI could not connect him as the master mind at all. And someone is assassinating the nuclear scientists of Iran. Assassinating people is the method of operation of both America and Israel. America and Israel even brag about it.....on national television. Drones killing suspected terrorists.... etc... Not much of a stretch to believe that Israel OR the United States assassinated scientists of Iran. |
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