Will a man defend another man when a woman specifically breaks down a problem that what down with both of them? Will guys here instantly defend a man's behavior or do they actually listen to/side with a woman even if its hearing their side of the story? Do you hear both sides of an argument? Or do you only hear a woman's POV? Men, does not having a penis make our opinions automatically invalid?

There's two sides to every story. Best to just mind your own business and not pass judgements hastily. Or slowly for that matter.

More like three sides to every story. His, hers and in the middle you will find the truth. :)

The above-quoted question assumes something that is not proven to be true - that the woman has accurately stated what the problem is.

Do you accept the possibility that a woman can be wrong?

As Nicky Flippers says:


"If a tree falls in the forest, then you will get three stories: yours, mine and the tree's." (From the movie Hoodwinked)

Well most women have a strong tendency to discuss accurate feelings because we are built-in better communicators. It depends I think though I find more often than not a man will defend another man without even listening to what we say.

I accept the possibly that anyone can be wrong. I feel its more an obvious dissociation when a guy out-rightly supports another man whom he doesn't know, never met or talked to over a female voice.

There is a difference between facts and feelings, and feelings don't necessarily match facts.

How someone feels is definitely a fact to them. Unless they make things up for the sake of sympathy because THEY phucked up. Not always but its hard to tell.

So, now facts are subjective, depending on how a woman feels?

Don't put me in this position, I will, from now on, retaliate.

I didn't say that. You don't think feelings tell the truth, even bad ones?

What does that mean, "feelings tell the truth"?

It means that the person with the feelings is making a non-falsifiable argument.

Unfortunately, feelings are not always based in reality. Especially when it comes to relationships with people. Some feelings are clearly based in reality. Like the feeling of fright at seeing a bear in the forest coming right at you. But, many feelings are based on our past experiences in similar situations and can be very deceiving. That's not to say you should ignore them. They might be right. Or the situation may require a bit more evaluation than just listening to your feelings.

Feelings are important and I pay attention to mine all the time. It's a fine line. A balancing act. Paying attention to emotions and using common sense and logic. You need both.

I agree. Our feelings can be subjective at times. (Instead of objective.)

Objective or fact based knowledge is external originating outside the mind...Subjective or thought based knowledge is internal originating inside the mind...

What Mariah is saying is it doesn't matter if her feelings are fact (reality) based making them objective or thought based making them subjective, they are HER true feelings...No need to candy coat it, you either believe her or you don't...

As to your OP question Audrey, I have experienced what you are describing a few times in my life, but I consider it rare and this is why...Based on personal experience only, I find most men go out of their way to avoid getting involved in their friends relationship issues and will only choose up sides if they are feeling forced, if they are absolutely convinced one person is lying, or if they believe someone is in harms way...I am not sure if this is objective or subjective, but it is the truth as I know it....

Yeah, that is what I was thinking.

You don't understand the statement. For the sake of reason don't hurt your pride trying to.