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Topic: What the American Media Won't Tell You About Israel
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Tue 12/11/12 12:51 PM
What the American Media Won't Tell You About Israel
The savage punishment of Gaza traces back to decades ago.
By Noam Chomsky

An old man in Gaza held a placard that read: "You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back."

The old man's message provides the proper context for the latest episode in the savage punishment of Gaza. The crimes trace back to 1948, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled from their homes in terror or were expelled to Gaza by conquering Israeli forces, who continued to truck Palestinians over the border for years after the official cease-fire.

The punishment took new forms when Israel conquered Gaza in 1967. From recent Israeli scholarship (primarily Avi Raz's "The Bride and the Dowry: Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinians in the Aftermath of the June 1967 War"), we learn that the government's goal was to drive the refugees into the Sinai Peninsula -and, if feasible, the rest of the population too.

Expulsions from Gaza were carried out under the direct orders of Gen. Yeshayahu Gavish, commander of the Israel Defense Forces Southern Command. Expulsions from the West Bank were far more extreme, and Israel resorted to devious means to prevent the return of those expelled, in direct violation of U.N. Security Council orders.

The reasons were made clear in internal discussions immediately after the war. Golda Meir, later prime minister, informed her Labor Party colleagues that Israel should keep the Gaza Strip while "getting rid of its Arabs." Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and others agreed.

Prime Minister Levi Eshkol explained that those expelled could not be allowed to return because "we cannot increase the Arab population in Israel" -referring to the newly occupied territories, already considered part of Israel.

In accord with this conception, all of Israel's maps were changed, expunging the Green Line (the internationally recognized borders) -though publication of the maps was delayed to permit Abba Eban, an Israeli ambassador to the U.N., to attain what he called a "favorable impasse" at the General Assembly by concealing Israel's intentions.

The goals of expulsion may remain alive today, and might be a factor in contributing to Egypt's reluctance to open the border to free passage of people and goods barred by the U.S.-backed Israeli siege.

The current upsurge of U.S.-Israeli violence dates to January 2006, when Palestinians voted "the wrong way" in the first free election in the Arab world.

Israel and the U.S. reacted at once with harsh punishment of the miscreants, and preparation of a military coup to overthrow the elected government -the routine procedure. The punishment was radically intensified in 2007, when the coup attempt was beaten back and the elected Hamas government established full control over Gaza.

Ignoring immediate offers from Hamas for a truce after the 2006 election, Israel launched attacks that killed 660 Palestinians in 2006, most of whom were civilians (a third were minors). According to U.N. reports, 2,879 Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire from April 2006 through July 2012, along with several dozen Israelis killed by fire from Gaza.

A short-lived truce in 2008 was honored by Hamas until Israel broke it in November. Ignoring further truce offers, Israel launched the murderous Cast Lead operation in December.

So matters have continued, while the U.S. and Israel also continue to reject Hamas calls for a long-term truce and a political settlement for a two-state solution in accord with the international consensus that the U.S. has blocked since 1976 when the U.S. vetoed a Security Council resolution to this effect, brought by the major Arab states.
(c) 2012 Noam Chomsky is emeritus professor of linguistics and philosophy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and is co-author, with Gilbert Achcar, of Perilous Power: The Middle East & U.S. Foreign Policy: Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice. His most recent book is Gaza In Crisis.

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/#two

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Tue 12/11/12 01:21 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/11/12 01:21 PM
An old man in Gaza held a placard that read: "You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back."


That is it in a NUTSHELL.

But geee... Israel is just "defending itself."

The reason they apply pressure on Gaza is to get them to fight back so Israel can legally attack, bomb and invade again claiming they are defending themselves.

That is classic Nazi M.O.




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Tue 12/11/12 01:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/11/12 01:27 PM
Israel can't recognize their enemy as soldiers fighting a war or defending themselves, because they don't recognize Gaza or Palestine as a state. So they call them 'terrorists.'

But yet they insist that Palestinians MUST recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish State IF THEY WANT PEACE.

What kind of peace? Peace where the Jews are in charge? The Palestinians want "Liberty from the Jews."

Why would they want that if they already have that? A: They don't.

And nobody really knows what a Jew is.

Religion or race or family bloodline?




All of these people above claim to be Jews. Are all of them God's chosen people?

Are all of them related?


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Tue 12/11/12 01:58 PM

What the American Media Won't Tell You About Israel
The savage punishment of Gaza traces back to decades ago.
By Noam Chomsky

An old man in Gaza held a placard that read: "You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back."

The old man's message provides the proper context for the latest episode in the savage punishment of Gaza. The crimes trace back to 1948, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled from their homes in terror or were expelled to Gaza by conquering Israeli forces, who continued to truck Palestinians over the border for years after the official cease-fire.

The punishment took new forms when Israel conquered Gaza in 1967. From recent Israeli scholarship (primarily Avi Raz's "The Bride and the Dowry: Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinians in the Aftermath of the June 1967 War"), we learn that the government's goal was to drive the refugees into the Sinai Peninsula -and, if feasible, the rest of the population too.

Expulsions from Gaza were carried out under the direct orders of Gen. Yeshayahu Gavish, commander of the Israel Defense Forces Southern Command. Expulsions from the West Bank were far more extreme, and Israel resorted to devious means to prevent the return of those expelled, in direct violation of U.N. Security Council orders.

The reasons were made clear in internal discussions immediately after the war. Golda Meir, later prime minister, informed her Labor Party colleagues that Israel should keep the Gaza Strip while "getting rid of its Arabs." Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and others agreed.

Prime Minister Levi Eshkol explained that those expelled could not be allowed to return because "we cannot increase the Arab population in Israel" -referring to the newly occupied territories, already considered part of Israel.

In accord with this conception, all of Israel's maps were changed, expunging the Green Line (the internationally recognized borders) -though publication of the maps was delayed to permit Abba Eban, an Israeli ambassador to the U.N., to attain what he called a "favorable impasse" at the General Assembly by concealing Israel's intentions.

The goals of expulsion may remain alive today, and might be a factor in contributing to Egypt's reluctance to open the border to free passage of people and goods barred by the U.S.-backed Israeli siege.

The current upsurge of U.S.-Israeli violence dates to January 2006, when Palestinians voted "the wrong way" in the first free election in the Arab world.

Israel and the U.S. reacted at once with harsh punishment of the miscreants, and preparation of a military coup to overthrow the elected government -the routine procedure. The punishment was radically intensified in 2007, when the coup attempt was beaten back and the elected Hamas government established full control over Gaza.

Ignoring immediate offers from Hamas for a truce after the 2006 election, Israel launched attacks that killed 660 Palestinians in 2006, most of whom were civilians (a third were minors). According to U.N. reports, 2,879 Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire from April 2006 through July 2012, along with several dozen Israelis killed by fire from Gaza.

A short-lived truce in 2008 was honored by Hamas until Israel broke it in November. Ignoring further truce offers, Israel launched the murderous Cast Lead operation in December.

So matters have continued, while the U.S. and Israel also continue to reject Hamas calls for a long-term truce and a political settlement for a two-state solution in accord with the international consensus that the U.S. has blocked since 1976 when the U.S. vetoed a Security Council resolution to this effect, brought by the major Arab states.
(c) 2012 Noam Chomsky is emeritus professor of linguistics and philosophy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and is co-author, with Gilbert Achcar, of Perilous Power: The Middle East & U.S. Foreign Policy: Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice. His most recent book is Gaza In Crisis.

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/#two
Noam Chomski.
What a Joke that Guy has become!
Almost feel sorry for that Fool!
Actually,Israel ought to stop propping up the PA,and after Hamas takes over beat the living Crap out of them once and for all!

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Tue 12/11/12 02:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/11/12 02:03 PM
Actually,Israel ought to stop propping up the PA,and after Hamas takes over beat the living Crap out of them once and for all!


Sounds like typical hate speech to me.
I bet there are a lot of Semitic People living in Gaza.

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Tue 12/11/12 02:05 PM
Noam Chomski.
What a Joke that Guy has become!
Almost feel sorry for that Fool!


He is a Jew. Do you hate him because he is a Jew or because he has a different opinion than you?

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Tue 12/11/12 02:13 PM

Noam Chomski.
What a Joke that Guy has become!
Almost feel sorry for that Fool!


He is a Jew. Do you hate him because he is a Jew or because he has a different opinion than you?
what's that got to do with it!
He is what is called one of those Selfhating Jews,probably thinks nothing would happen to him in case another Hitler would come about!
An Appeaser,like so many before him!
Someone who feeds others to the Crocodile,hoping when it gets to him it wouldn't be hungry any longer!
Actually I feel sorry for the Fool!
I don't hate!
It's counterproductive!

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Tue 12/11/12 02:14 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 12/11/12 02:17 PM

What the American Media Won't Tell You About Israel
The savage punishment of Gaza traces back to decades ago.
By Noam Chomsky

An old man in Gaza held a placard that read: "You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back."

The old man's message provides the proper context for the latest episode in the savage punishment of Gaza. The crimes trace back to 1948, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled from their homes in terror or were expelled to Gaza by conquering Israeli forces, who continued to truck Palestinians over the border for years after the official cease-fire.

The punishment took new forms when Israel conquered Gaza in 1967. From recent Israeli scholarship (primarily Avi Raz's "The Bride and the Dowry: Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinians in the Aftermath of the June 1967 War"), we learn that the government's goal was to drive the refugees into the Sinai Peninsula -and, if feasible, the rest of the population too.

Expulsions from Gaza were carried out under the direct orders of Gen. Yeshayahu Gavish, commander of the Israel Defense Forces Southern Command. Expulsions from the West Bank were far more extreme, and Israel resorted to devious means to prevent the return of those expelled, in direct violation of U.N. Security Council orders.

The reasons were made clear in internal discussions immediately after the war. Golda Meir, later prime minister, informed her Labor Party colleagues that Israel should keep the Gaza Strip while "getting rid of its Arabs." Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and others agreed.

Prime Minister Levi Eshkol explained that those expelled could not be allowed to return because "we cannot increase the Arab population in Israel" -referring to the newly occupied territories, already considered part of Israel.

In accord with this conception, all of Israel's maps were changed, expunging the Green Line (the internationally recognized borders) -though publication of the maps was delayed to permit Abba Eban, an Israeli ambassador to the U.N., to attain what he called a "favorable impasse" at the General Assembly by concealing Israel's intentions.

The goals of expulsion may remain alive today, and might be a factor in contributing to Egypt's reluctance to open the border to free passage of people and goods barred by the U.S.-backed Israeli siege.

The current upsurge of U.S.-Israeli violence dates to January 2006, when Palestinians voted "the wrong way" in the first free election in the Arab world.

Israel and the U.S. reacted at once with harsh punishment of the miscreants, and preparation of a military coup to overthrow the elected government -the routine procedure. The punishment was radically intensified in 2007, when the coup attempt was beaten back and the elected Hamas government established full control over Gaza.

Ignoring immediate offers from Hamas for a truce after the 2006 election, Israel launched attacks that killed 660 Palestinians in 2006, most of whom were civilians (a third were minors). According to U.N. reports, 2,879 Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire from April 2006 through July 2012, along with several dozen Israelis killed by fire from Gaza.

A short-lived truce in 2008 was honored by Hamas until Israel broke it in November. Ignoring further truce offers, Israel launched the murderous Cast Lead operation in December.

So matters have continued, while the U.S. and Israel also continue to reject Hamas calls for a long-term truce and a political settlement for a two-state solution in accord with the international consensus that the U.S. has blocked since 1976 when the U.S. vetoed a Security Council resolution to this effect, brought by the major Arab states.
(c) 2012 Noam Chomsky is emeritus professor of linguistics and philosophy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and is co-author, with Gilbert Achcar, of Perilous Power: The Middle East & U.S. Foreign Policy: Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice. His most recent book is Gaza In Crisis.

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/#two
how many more times are you going to paste that same lame Article?


Ever looked at the Site that published the Article?
CT is putting it mildly!

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Tue 12/11/12 02:30 PM
Still waiting.

Explain to the world why the Askenazi non-religious Zionist's of Israel have a right to be in Israel if they were not actually born there?

Also please explain why Israel has a right to be a "Jewish State."

The Genetics have nothing to do with these questions. If you think they do, then please explain.

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Tue 12/11/12 02:55 PM

Still waiting.

Explain to the world why the Askenazi non-religious Zionist's of Israel have a right to be in Israel if they were not actually born there?

Also please explain why Israel has a right to be a "Jewish State."

The Genetics have nothing to do with these questions. If you think they do, then please explain.


1. Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews both of whom are descended from
Jews of ancient Israel have the right to live with other Jews together
in their original homeland if they wish.

2. Israel not only has a right to determine their national religion
but they also have a duty to do so and preserve a place where all
Jews can live free from religious persecution. It is all too obvious
why this is necessary after the mass killings of Jews and unjust
persecution of Jews throughout the Mideast and Europe and Asia.

3. The genetic evidence clearly shows the connection of the Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews in face all Jews to their ancient
heritage. It refutes the idiotic claim that Ashkenazi Jews were
descended primarily from the Khazars and that all Jews share a
common religious and genetic heritage related to ancient Israel.

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Tue 12/11/12 03:33 PM
Wow, another thread bashing the Jews. How odd. huh

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Tue 12/11/12 03:39 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/11/12 03:40 PM


Noam Chomski.
What a Joke that Guy has become!
Almost feel sorry for that Fool!


He is a Jew. Do you hate him because he is a Jew or because he has a different opinion than you?
what's that got to do with it!
He is what is called one of those Selfhating Jews,probably thinks nothing would happen to him in case another Hitler would come about!
An Appeaser,like so many before him!
Someone who feeds others to the Crocodile,hoping when it gets to him it wouldn't be hungry any longer!
Actually I feel sorry for the Fool!
I don't hate!
It's counterproductive!


rofl rofl rofl

So anyone who does not see things your way, is either an anti-Semitic Jew hater or a self hating Jew!

I've seen this so many times it getting really droll. You have a able for everyone.

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Tue 12/11/12 03:54 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 12/11/12 03:56 PM


Still waiting.

Explain to the world why the Askenazi non-religious Zionist's of Israel have a right to be in Israel if they were not actually born there?

Also please explain why Israel has a right to be a "Jewish State."

The Genetics have nothing to do with these questions. If you think they do, then please explain.


1. Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews both of whom are descended from
Jews of ancient Israel have the right to live with other Jews together in their original homeland if they wish.



Why does their descendants give them the right if they themselves were not born there? Does this mean that I "have a right" to move to my ancestor's original homeland? If so, how far can I go back. Ten generations?

That is just illogical.



2. Israel not only has a right to determine their national religion
but they also have a duty to do so and preserve a place where all
Jews can live free from religious persecution.


Then I would suggest that the non religious Askenazi Jews who don't believe in or practice the religion be asked to leave... um that would be the Zionist leaders.

It is all too obvious
why this is necessary after the mass killings of Jews and unjust
persecution of Jews throughout the Mideast and Europe and Asia.


Mass killings and genocide happens all over the world. This does not have anything to do with why Israel was "necessary."


3. The genetic evidence clearly shows the connection of the Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews in face all Jews to their ancient
heritage. It refutes the idiotic claim that Ashkenazi Jews were
descended primarily from the Khazars and that all Jews share a
common religious and genetic heritage related to ancient Israel.


Whether or not Ashkenazi Jews descended primarily from Khazars has not been determined or refuted. Some definitely were. But it has been determined that only 50% of all Ashkenazi Jews in the study have any genetic connection to the Holy land. That is only half. That means that these are simply people who are related.

As for a "religious" connection, genetics has no way of telling what the religion of a person is therefore the study is irrelevant.


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Tue 12/11/12 04:02 PM


Noam Chomski.
What a Joke that Guy has become!
Almost feel sorry for that Fool!


He is a Jew. Do you hate him because he is a Jew or because he has a different opinion than you?
what's that got to do with it!
He is what is called one of those Selfhating Jews,probably thinks nothing would happen to him in case another Hitler would come about!
An Appeaser,like so many before him!
Someone who feeds others to the Crocodile,hoping when it gets to him it wouldn't be hungry any longer!
Actually I feel sorry for the Fool!
I don't hate!
It's counterproductive!
interesting, however his content is more relevent and most who disagree usually offer nothing contrary except for rants simular to yours. Chomsky actually has presented facts that are not presented in full to the people. I fail to see his presentation as self hatred.

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Tue 12/11/12 04:08 PM

Wow, another thread bashing the Jews. How odd. huh
what bashing? Iv seen no bashing as of yet. Its not bashing, I think its more on the line of views of differant spectrums. "bashing" really means stop talking, lies might be exposed.

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Tue 12/11/12 04:10 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 12/11/12 04:15 PM


Wow, another thread bashing the Jews. How odd. huh
what bashing? Iv seen no bashing as of yet. Its not bashing, I think its more on the line of views of differant spectrums. "bashing" really means stop talking, lies might be exposed.


Yeah, right. laugh Four threads in the top 10 as I type?

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Tue 12/11/12 04:19 PM
Any thread that does not shine the pity light onto Israel is a "Jew bashing thread."

The truth will always be known. Israel does not play well with its neighbors. People are starting to notice.

I blame the Rothschilds.

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Tue 12/11/12 04:22 PM
I love this place. laugh

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Tue 12/11/12 04:23 PM

I love this place. laugh


I blame the Rothschilds.

laugh

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Tue 12/11/12 04:29 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 12/11/12 04:29 PM


I love this place. laugh


I blame the Rothschilds.

laugh


No, itz da joos! laugh

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