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Topic: Do you agree in euthanasia?
Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 07:01 AM
I saw a beggar/crazy lady on the sidewalk crying. I didnt go to her because my coworkers are with me besides i didnt brought money at that time. When we arrived home i gathered my coins and give it to the beggar/ crazy lady. Instead of accepting she ask me to take her life. She said she's tired of everything and i saw her lips bleed. She said the children tease and stoned her. I leave the money near her and left.

"DO YOU AGREE IN EUTHANASIA?"

jacktrades's photo
Thu 02/21/13 09:00 AM
In case's of pain and suffering where a person physically is just waiting to die then yes but for emotional reasons no. You never know what tomorrow brings, she could have mental illness and be helped or long lost family find her or maybe even have a religious expierence that changes her life. I do commend you for leaving her the money in this cruel world you may have saved her for for another day. Your a nice and caring person god bless you!

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Thu 02/21/13 09:10 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Thu 02/21/13 09:11 AM
You were a kind merciful face.
I'm sure the lady felt a sense of comfort that you would even consider her need in the smallest of ways.

Thank you, Winlei, for caring!

Lord, be merciful to that lady...wherever she may be.


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Question: "What is a mercy killing?"

Answer: “Mercy killing” is simply another word for “euthanasia” in most English-language dictionaries. Euthanasia and, therefore, mercy killing is “the act of putting a person or animal to death painlessly or allowing them to die by withholding medical services, usually because of a painful and incurable disease.”

The Greek word euthanasia translates to “good death,” making it and mercy killing terms that can be comforting in the face of difficult medical situations. When any person, especially a family member or close friend, is experiencing pain, mental degeneration, or other adverse condition, our instinct is to relieve the person in any way possible. Sometimes, this desire to alleviate pain can become so strong in the caregiver or patient that it overrides our deeper impulse to preserve life and survive.

This struggle is not new to humanity. In fact, one of the oldest stories in the Bible tells of Job’s desire for death in the midst of his suffering. Job laments his life, even requesting God to kill him rather than allow his pain – emotional, physical and spiritual – to continue (Job 6:8-11). Most pertinently, Job declares, “I prefer strangling and death, rather than this body of mine. I despise my life; I would not live forever. Let me alone; my days have no meaning” (Job 7:15-16).

Does the Bible endorse Job’s feelings? It certainly recognizes that such feelings exist. Other characters in Scripture have, in desperation, asked for an early end to their lives, including Elijah (1 Kings 19:4) and Saul (1 Chronicles 10:4). Scripture acknowledges that emotion and even logic can support the idea of a “mercy killing.” However, we do not live by emotion or logic but by faith (Romans 1:17). God has plans and an understanding we can never grasp. He is the Giver and Sustainer of life (Nehemiah 9:6), and we do not have the right to usurp His authority. Near the end of Job’s story, his friend Elihu warns him, “Beware of turning to evil, which you seem to prefer to affliction” (Job 36:21). It is not our place to decide the time or manner of our death. Mercy killing is a sin against God’s plan and power.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German theologian who had great personal experience with suffering. He was imprisoned and eventually executed by the Third Reich during World War II. While in prison, he wrote this in his Ethics, published posthumously: “The right to the end of life is reserved for God, because only God knows the goal toward which a life is being directed. God alone wishes to be the one who justifies or rejects a life.”

Please read more about euthanasia and living wills here.

Recommended Resources: Logos Bible Software and Created in God's Image by Anthony Hoekema.



http://www.gotquestions.org/mercy-killing.html

1Cynderella's photo
Thu 02/21/13 09:11 AM
If you think the woman is “crazy”, then I would consider the possibility that she may not actually realize what she is asking.

This occurred in the Philippines correct? I don’t know what kind of resources you have, but I might make a few phone calls to see if there is any assistance for such a person available within the community. Chances are good that if her mental condition improved, so would her outlook...as I said, if she even knows what she’s talking about.

soufiehere's photo
Thu 02/21/13 10:06 AM
I live in the only 'right to die' state of Oregon.
I think it takes 2 doctors signatures to get
permission to make it happen.

You may have to prove it is a terminal condition,
not sure.
I think it is a great idea.
If the idea comes from the perp.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 01:27 PM

If you think the woman is “crazy”, then I would consider the possibility that she may not actually realize what she is asking.

This occurred in the Philippines correct? I don’t know what kind of resources you have, but I might make a few phone calls to see if there is any assistance for such a person available within the community. Chances are good that if her mental condition improved, so would her outlook...as I said, if she even knows what she’s talking about.


At that time i know shes in her right mind because if she isn't she will attack me. She is known to chase people.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 01:37 PM

I live in the only 'right to die' state of Oregon.
I think it takes 2 doctors signatures to get
permission to make it happen.

You umay have to prove it is a terminal condition,
not sure.
I think it is a great idea.
If the idea comes from the perp.

No i will not take her life just because i pity her. If she die, she would die in a normal way not in the hands of others.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 01:45 PM
[quoted from cariserose]
Thank you but do you think i make the right decision? Now i realized i should have give her food instead of money. Stores will not treat her well knowing in her state of mind. Even if she's on her right mind they'll think the other way.

1Cynderella's photo
Thu 02/21/13 01:46 PM
Be careful around unstable people. Crazy, by definition, does not conform to a specific behavior, but manifest in many different ways. It’s not unusual for desperate people with nowhere to go to attack someone for the purpose of achieving food and shelter in detention or prison.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 01:50 PM

In case's of pain and suffering where a person physically is just waiting to die then yes but for emotional reasons no. You never know what tomorrow brings, she could have mental illness and be helped or long lost family find her or maybe even have a religious expierence that changes her life. I do commend you for leaving her the money in this cruel world you may have saved her for for another day. Your a nice and caring person god bless you!

Thaks jacktrade she told me she has a daughter, i think her husband took her. I didnt catch more of her word because she spoke it fast.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 02:22 PM

Be careful around unstable people. Crazy, by definition, does not conform to a specific behavior, but manifest in many different ways. It’s not unusual for desperate people with nowhere to go to attack someone for the purpose of achieving food and shelter in detention or prison.

I didnt saw her after she chased the children. Maybe she transfered or was forced to transfer.

oldhippie1952's photo
Thu 02/21/13 02:25 PM
Because of my religious beliefs I say no to euthanasia, I don't see how I could do it, as much as I would like to in the future.

But that is my beliefs, and I cannot force them on others.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 02:29 PM

Because of my religious beliefs I say no to euthanasia, I don't see how I could do it, as much as I would like to in the future.

But that is my beliefs, and I cannot force them on others.

True. I do not know if my conscience will stop bugging i do suvh thing. Maybe i would end up the same like her.

oldhippie1952's photo
Thu 02/21/13 02:33 PM


Because of my religious beliefs I say no to euthanasia, I don't see how I could do it, as much as I would like to in the future.

But that is my beliefs, and I cannot force them on others.

True. I do not know if my conscience will stop bugging i do suvh thing. Maybe i would end up the same like her.


When I get to where I can't take care of myself, euthanasia will sound more attractive.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 02:46 PM
Its a sin oldhippie. Never take your life to end your suffering.

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Thu 02/21/13 03:10 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Thu 02/21/13 03:19 PM

[quoted from cariserose]
Thank you but do you think i make the right decision? Now i realized i should have give her food instead of money. Stores will not treat her well knowing in her state of mind. Even if she's on her right mind they'll think the other way.


Winlei, if the Lord gives you that opportunity again, I'm sure you'll do your best as before.

"[ When I had a need ]... you gave."


Matthew 25:35-40


35, For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36, Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37, Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38, When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39, Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40, And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

You did good! :smile:

no photo
Thu 02/21/13 04:42 PM
1 Samuel 31:2-5
New International Version (NIV)

2 The Philistines were in hot pursuit of Saul and his sons, and they killed his sons Jonathan, Abinadab and Malki-Shua. 3 The fighting grew fierce around Saul, and when the archers overtook him, they wounded him critically.

4 Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me.”

But his armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so Saul took his own sword and fell on it. 5 When the armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he too fell on his sword and died with him.

Winlei's photo
Thu 02/21/13 05:39 PM
I will never take my life or others life like saul does. In the ancient times they believe that it is an act of bravery in taking your own life by your own or allys sword than to die for an enemy's hand. Because for them when the leader die in the hands of the enemy the battle is over. But Jesus didnt do the same. Though he knew beforehand that He will suffer for mankind He didnt take His life before the suffering. He took the cross and accepted the lashing and insults thrown at him. Even took the nails.

no photo
Thu 02/21/13 05:54 PM
You present a scenario and then ask if we agree with euthanasia.

These are two different things, to me.

*In this scenario*, NO it would be murder to kill this woman. You say yourself that you think she is crazy. Crazy people need help getting better; they don't need an easy out. Crazy people are prone to making terrible decisions that don't reflect their real, ultimate wants.


In other situations, though, I absolutely support euthanasia. For example, if someone has a terminal illness, and is dying a slow and terribly painful death, and they demonstrate that they are sane and in full command of their faculties, and they've already been given the best available painkillers, had several professionals evaluate their condition and their options; and they make an informed, reasoned decision that their life of pain is not worth living, and are given time to deliberate this, but they are consistent in their position....

If all those criteria are met, then they should be given the tools to end their life, if they choose.







I saw a beggar/crazy lady on the sidewalk crying. I didnt go to her because my coworkers are with me besides i didnt brought money at that time. When we arrived home i gathered my coins and give it to the beggar/ crazy lady. Instead of accepting she ask me to take her life. She said she's tired of everything and i saw her lips bleed. She said the children tease and stoned her. I leave the money near her and left.

"DO YOU AGREE IN EUTHANASIA?"

no photo
Thu 02/21/13 05:57 PM

At that time i know shes in her right mind because if she isn't she will attack me. She is known to chase people.


She may be at a peak of her sanity, in your experience of her - but that doesn't mean she is fully sane, nor even at a peak of the sanity should could experience if she got the right kind of help.

If she behaves in a crazy way on other occasions, I would seriously question whether she is ever sane enough for someone else to honor her request and kill her.

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