Topic: Texas Vs California, which is the better place to live?
metalwing's photo
Mon 04/15/13 07:13 PM

it is foolish to imply your neighbors race is relevant to the gun culture of a state which was the original topic I was replying to,,,,


Maybe you should take another look at the statistics already presented in this thread. It is foolish to ignore a factor that is so relevant to the topic.

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Mon 04/15/13 07:33 PM
appears to me a GOOD Chance of higher gun death where there are more guns IN AMERICAN CULTURE 

of course culture is another ingredient that plays into it, and the Texan culture MIXED with the number of guns would keep me from wanting to locate there,,,
There is a good chance you'll be hacked to death where there are more knives. So should we get rid of knives?

If you want to live where you don't need a gun you'll have to find a place where no other human, government or animal bigger then a house cat can get to. As long as you have least one of those three things, a person will always need a way to protect yourself. A gun works good from 2 feet and 20 feet. Besides I remembering a news report that said that guns are not the number one thing that kills people.

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Mon 04/15/13 07:53 PM

it is foolish to imply your neighbors race is relevant to the gun culture of a state which was the original topic I was replying to,,,,


There is a difference between race and ethnicity.

Race is biological. A person is born with particular racial characteristics.

Ethnicity is cultural. One's ethnic characteristics are the result of one's upbringing.

Two people can be racially the same but ethnically different.

The statistics that I have cited in this thread reflect issues pertaining to ethnicity.

For example, African-Americans are an ethnic group within a much larger racial group.

A particular problem can be within a particular ethnic group (such as African-Americans) without the problem being in the much larger racial group.

So, statistics showing a high rate of black-on-black murders in the USA are really statistics showing a high African-American-on-African-American murder rate. It is an ethnic issue, not a racial one.



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Mon 04/15/13 09:32 PM
I love southern California, beautifull. Texas? Did not care for Texas much, California has such beautifull woman of all races, wow!!

Ras427's photo
Mon 04/15/13 09:42 PM



the heat and the guns alone are actually enough to disinterest me,,,,


California's interior can get quite hot.

Also, do you have a problem with Americans exercising their right as stated by the Second Amendment?


yes, I have a problem being surrounded by so many weapons,,,

and california has some places with very moderate temps, not aware of such a place in texas....but I could be wrong,,,


No problem being surrounded by gang-bangers with war-style auto-fire weapons but, skeered of law abiding citizens.
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But, ya'll right. Texas is no place for liberals. It's hot, nasty and dusty.

All the plants, insects and animals either want to bite, stick or sting ya'

So, please, stay away.

And, thanks fer doing so.rofl rofl
Texas woman look like cattle rustlers, thick ankles, to much beer and porkchops for me. Cant tell the woman from the cowboys, all boots, guts and hats. You know the saying, "everything is bigger in Texas. Cali is way better, better looking woman. Although they have overly tanned skin, many look orange, Texas woman drink like sailors, dress like cowboys and have leather lik skin. Loved Cali though.

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Mon 04/15/13 09:59 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Mon 04/15/13 10:04 PM
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I lived in CA (San Diego) for a few years. The people were nasty spirited.

I now live and will stay in Dallas, unless I can wrangle Hawaii!


They were nasty spirited? How so? I've never been there, but I've always heard great things about San Diego.


I was walking down the street and had to dodge spit from people in passing cars. More than once.

My kids and I decided to walk the two blocks (it is always nice weather) to Taco Bell for dinner. A woman tried to run us over and screamed obscenities at us for throwing glass bottles at her car. And to think we just wanted to walk a couple of blocks to a Taco Bell...started taking our car after that.
Let me get this straite, "a woman tried to run you over and screamed obsenities at you for throwing glass bottles at her car?" Why were you throwing glass bottles at her car in the first place? Kind of what I did once, difference was I was a kid. What did you expect? A welcome commity?

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Tue 04/16/13 01:55 AM

appears to me a GOOD Chance of higher gun death where there are more guns IN AMERICAN CULTURE 

of course culture is another ingredient that plays into it, and the Texan culture MIXED with the number of guns would keep me from wanting to locate there,,,
There is a good chance you'll be hacked to death where there are more knives. So should we get rid of knives?

If you want to live where you don't need a gun you'll have to find a place where no other human, government or animal bigger then a house cat can get to. As long as you have least one of those three things, a person will always need a way to protect yourself. A gun works good from 2 feet and 20 feet. Besides I remembering a news report that said that guns are not the number one thing that kills people.



once again, my PERSONAL PREFERENCE is to not be surrounded by guns,, knives have uses which dont involve MASS Death, although they can also be used in a one on one encounter, and give the victim more of a chance to actually fight and put the assailant at more risk because of the requirement for such a close encounter,,,,,


I wouldnt want to be somewhere where people were , for whatever reason, more likely to be walkikng around with knives either,,,for that matter

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Tue 04/16/13 01:59 AM


it is foolish to imply your neighbors race is relevant to the gun culture of a state which was the original topic I was replying to,,,,


There is a difference between race and ethnicity.

Race is biological. A person is born with particular racial characteristics.

Ethnicity is cultural. One's ethnic characteristics are the result of one's upbringing.

Two people can be racially the same but ethnically different.

The statistics that I have cited in this thread reflect issues pertaining to ethnicity.

For example, African-Americans are an ethnic group within a much larger racial group.

A particular problem can be within a particular ethnic group (such as African-Americans) without the problem being in the much larger racial group.

So, statistics showing a high rate of black-on-black murders in the USA are really statistics showing a high African-American-on-African-American murder rate. It is an ethnic issue, not a racial one.






yes, african american is also a race, its the race of black folks who happen to be geographically inside of the US

its still implying that the race is the factor, and not the combination of conditions and factors affecting those groups cited about

its a false logic, and still totally irrelevant to whether I choose to be in a state where gun ownership is high,,

being texas has about a 11 percent black population, Id say race is irrelevant to my reasons for not wanting to live there or to the CUTLTURE which seems to embrace and need so many guns,,,,

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Tue 04/16/13 02:02 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 04/16/13 02:03 AM


it is foolish to imply your neighbors race is relevant to the gun culture of a state which was the original topic I was replying to,,,,


Maybe you should take another look at the statistics already presented in this thread. It is foolish to ignore a factor that is so relevant to the topic.



no more foolish than it is for me to ignore similar statistics that could be cited about GENDER, but I also would be less likely to consider whether males were living next door or the predominant gender in the community, than I would the actual attitude of the community toward guns and violence,,,,




the majority in jail for violent crime are males, but since the majority of males havent been convicted of violent crimes,, I consider it of little relevance and only a correlation that people can choose to focus on or not,, I choose not,,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 04/16/13 06:50 AM


There is a difference between race and ethnicity.

Race is biological. A person is born with particular racial characteristics.

Ethnicity is cultural. One's ethnic characteristics are the result of one's upbringing.

Two people can be racially the same but ethnically different.

The statistics that I have cited in this thread reflect issues pertaining to ethnicity.

For example, African-Americans are an ethnic group within a much larger racial group.

A particular problem can be within a particular ethnic group (such as African-Americans) without the problem being in the much larger racial group.

So, statistics showing a high rate of black-on-black murders in the USA are really statistics showing a high African-American-on-African-American murder rate. It is an ethnic issue, not a racial one.



yes, african american is also a race,


No, African-Americans are not a race.

African-Americans are an ethnic group within a larger race.

Another ethnic group within the same race are Ethiopians.



African-Americans and Ethiopians are racially the same but ethnically different. Members of both ethnic groups have the same outer racial characteristics, but they have different languages and customs.

To claim that African-Americans are a race unto themselves is non sequitur. So, why insist on making such a false claim?

Anyway, you won't escape gun-related violence just by moving to a state that has a low rate of legal gun ownership.


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Tue 04/16/13 07:58 AM

Texas woman look like cattle rustlers, thick ankles, to much beer and porkchops for me. Cant tell the woman from the cowboys, all boots, guts and hats. You know the saying, "everything is bigger in Texas. Cali is way better, better looking woman. Although they have overly tanned skin, many look orange, Texas woman drink like sailors, dress like cowboys and have leather lik skin. Loved Cali though.


If you can’t tell a Texan woman from a man, you need glasses.

no photo
Tue 04/16/13 08:04 AM

yes, african american is also a race, its the race of black folks who happen to be geographically inside of the US

its still implying that the race is the factor, and not the combination of conditions and factors affecting those groups cited about

its a false logic, and still totally irrelevant to whether I choose to be in a state where gun ownership is high,,

being texas has about a 11 percent black population, Id say race is irrelevant to my reasons for not wanting to live there or to the CUTLTURE which seems to embrace and need so many guns,,,,

I knew and African that was white back in college. If she were to become a citizen of the USA she would be a true African American. Neither Africa nor America is a race or skin color. If you go to Africa you will find different races with different skin colors there.

I also new a black girl that would chew you out if you called her an African American. She would make it clear that she was not one of them but her bloodline was from another place. Also, many Asian Indians from the sub part of India are black skin as well.

Ras427's photo
Tue 04/16/13 08:11 AM


Texas woman look like cattle rustlers, thick ankles, to much beer and porkchops for me. Cant tell the woman from the cowboys, all boots, guts and hats. You know the saying, "everything is bigger in Texas. Cali is way better, better looking woman. Although they have overly tanned skin, many look orange, Texas woman drink like sailors, dress like cowboys and have leather lik skin. Loved Cali though.


If you can’t tell a Texan woman from a man, you need glasses.

and if you cant tell cheerleaders from all over the country from everyday woman youll need more then glasses. Dont you wish all Texas woman looked like that?

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Tue 04/16/13 08:17 AM

once again, my PERSONAL PREFERENCE is to not be surrounded by guns,, knives have uses which dont involve MASS Death, although they can also be used in a one on one encounter, and give the victim more of a chance to actually fight and put the assailant at more risk because of the requirement for such a close encounter,,,,,


I wouldnt want to be somewhere where people were , for whatever reason, more likely to be walkikng around with knives either,,,for that matter



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/14/lets-set-the-record-straight-5-common-misconceptions-about-guns-mass-shootings/

•March 25, 2008, Sitka, Alaska: An 18 year killed 4 people with a 5-inch knife.
•June 8, 2001, Osaka, Japan: A school janitor killed 8 children with a kitchen knife.
•July 1, 2008, Shanghai, China: A man stabbed 6 police officers to death and wounded 4 others with a knife.

“According to the FBI’s website, during the time period between 2007 until 2011, there were 8,967 people that were murdered with knives or cutting instruments; during that same time period, there were 3,918 people that were murdered with either rifles or shotguns,” Hunter told TheBlaze.

And, of course, murderers aren’t restricted to just sharp objects and guns. Some have used explosives:
•April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City, Okla.: Timothy McVay murdered 168 people and injured 680 when he blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building using, among other components, fertilizer.
•May 18, 1927, Bath, Mich.: A man murdered 44 people, 38 of which were elementary school children. Another 58 were wounded when he blew up the Bath Consolidated School. To date, this is still the worst school massacre in US history.
•November 1, 1955: John “Jack” Gilbert Graham murdered 44 people by planting a dynamite bomb in his mother’s suitcase that was subsequently loaded aboard United Airlines Flight 629. The bomb detonated shortly after takeoff.

Others transportation:
•September 11, 2001: Nineteen terrorists murdered nearly 3,000 people on American soil by intentionally flying passenger planes into the North and South towers of the World Trade Center complex in New York City and the Pentagon in Arlington, Va. A fourth plane was also hijacked and was intended to be crashed into the U.S. Capitol, but passengers overcame the hijackers and the plane crashed in Shanksville, Pa.
•June 8, 2008, Tokyo, Japan: A man drove his truck into a crowd of people, killing three. He then exited the vehicle and stabbed 12 people. In all, seven people were killed as a result.
•April 30, 2009, Apeldoorn, Netherlands: A man intentionally drove his car into a group of people amassed for a parade. He killed six and seriously injured another 12 before dying from the crash himself.

Others blunt objects:
•August 6, 2004, Deltona, Fla.: Four men decided to bludgeon 6 people using baseball bats because they wanted to steal an Xbox belonging to one of the victims. All of the attackers were old enough to buy firearms.
•July 20, 2009, Sydney, Australia: A family of 5 was bludgeoned to death as they slept. Most likely baseball bats were used in the attack.

“According to the FBI’s website, during the time period between 2007 until 2011, there were 2,918 people that were murdered with blunt objects (baseball bats, hammers, etc.),” Hunter reminds us. “During that same time period, there were 1,874 people that were murdered with rifles.”



http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20120920/suicide-top-cause-of-injury-death

The top five leading causes of injury-related deaths were:
1.Suicide
2.Motor vehicle crashes
3.Poisoning
4.Falls
5.Homicide


Yeah, guns I don’t fear, it is crazy @$$ people I do. That is one of the reason I started taking up kickboxing.

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Tue 04/16/13 08:19 AM
Edited by MetalShadow6 on Tue 04/16/13 08:21 AM



Texas woman look like cattle rustlers, thick ankles, to much beer and porkchops for me. Cant tell the woman from the cowboys, all boots, guts and hats. You know the saying, "everything is bigger in Texas. Cali is way better, better looking woman. Although they have overly tanned skin, many look orange, Texas woman drink like sailors, dress like cowboys and have leather lik skin. Loved Cali though.


If you can’t tell a Texan woman from a man, you need glasses.

and if you cant tell cheerleaders from all over the country from everyday woman youll need more then glasses. Dont you wish all Texas woman looked like that?


Don't you wish all women look like them? After all California has this famous "Have to pass the bill to find out what is in it" person.

Talk about nightmares on so many levels.

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Tue 04/16/13 08:34 AM



There is a difference between race and ethnicity.

Race is biological. A person is born with particular racial characteristics.

Ethnicity is cultural. One's ethnic characteristics are the result of one's upbringing.

Two people can be racially the same but ethnically different.

The statistics that I have cited in this thread reflect issues pertaining to ethnicity.

For example, African-Americans are an ethnic group within a much larger racial group.

A particular problem can be within a particular ethnic group (such as African-Americans) without the problem being in the much larger racial group.

So, statistics showing a high rate of black-on-black murders in the USA are really statistics showing a high African-American-on-African-American murder rate. It is an ethnic issue, not a racial one.



yes, african american is also a race,


No, African-Americans are not a race.

African-Americans are an ethnic group within a larger race.

Another ethnic group within the same race are Ethiopians.



African-Americans and Ethiopians are racially the same but ethnically different. Members of both ethnic groups have the same outer racial characteristics, but they have different languages and customs.

To claim that African-Americans are a race unto themselves is non sequitur. So, why insist on making such a false claim?

Anyway, you won't escape gun-related violence just by moving to a state that has a low rate of legal gun ownership.




cant escape killers anywhere I go, they will be there,, but I would take my chances in haaii, for instance, before I would in DC


and in this conversation, african american was referring only to black people in america,, so it is still a reference to race,, even if its veiled as an 'ethnic' issue,,,,


as 'african americans' move up in economic status, the disparity in crime decreases,, so poverty STILL is a significant factor in criminal activity,,,,

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Tue 04/16/13 08:38 AM


yes, african american is also a race, its the race of black folks who happen to be geographically inside of the US

its still implying that the race is the factor, and not the combination of conditions and factors affecting those groups cited about

its a false logic, and still totally irrelevant to whether I choose to be in a state where gun ownership is high,,

being texas has about a 11 percent black population, Id say race is irrelevant to my reasons for not wanting to live there or to the CUTLTURE which seems to embrace and need so many guns,,,,

I knew and African that was white back in college. If she were to become a citizen of the USA she would be a true African American. Neither Africa nor America is a race or skin color. If you go to Africa you will find different races with different skin colors there.

I also new a black girl that would chew you out if you called her an African American. She would make it clear that she was not one of them but her bloodline was from another place. Also, many Asian Indians from the sub part of India are black skin as well.



in this conversation, do you believe that white girl from from africa was one of the 'african americans' being referred to?

Im sure she wasnt,,,,race and ethnicity are interchangable in terms of context,, individuals can share with us what their actual 'race' is, because only they can know their biological background,, IM sure we see plenty of people we assume are 'white' throughout life who may in fact have ancestry of african origin,,,and we may see some that have no african origin that we assume are 'black'


in conversations about crime however, 'african american' usually is referring to black people in america,,,,,

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Tue 04/16/13 08:58 AM



yes, african american is also a race, its the race of black folks who happen to be geographically inside of the US

its still implying that the race is the factor, and not the combination of conditions and factors affecting those groups cited about

its a false logic, and still totally irrelevant to whether I choose to be in a state where gun ownership is high,,

being texas has about a 11 percent black population, Id say race is irrelevant to my reasons for not wanting to live there or to the CUTLTURE which seems to embrace and need so many guns,,,,

I knew and African that was white back in college. If she were to become a citizen of the USA she would be a true African American. Neither Africa nor America is a race or skin color. If you go to Africa you will find different races with different skin colors there.

I also new a black girl that would chew you out if you called her an African American. She would make it clear that she was not one of them but her bloodline was from another place. Also, many Asian Indians from the sub part of India are black skin as well.



in this conversation, do you believe that white girl from from africa was one of the 'african americans' being referred to?

Im sure she wasnt,,,,race and ethnicity are interchangable in terms of context,, individuals can share with us what their actual 'race' is, because only they can know their biological background,, IM sure we see plenty of people we assume are 'white' throughout life who may in fact have ancestry of african origin,,,and we may see some that have no african origin that we assume are 'black'


in conversations about crime however, 'african american' usually is referring to black people in america,,,,,


the real African Americans should be mad about every black person using that term... most American blacks never came close to ever seeing Africa, let alone being from there...

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Tue 04/16/13 08:58 AM



yes, african american is also a race, its the race of black folks who happen to be geographically inside of the US

its still implying that the race is the factor, and not the combination of conditions and factors affecting those groups cited about

its a false logic, and still totally irrelevant to whether I choose to be in a state where gun ownership is high,,

being texas has about a 11 percent black population, Id say race is irrelevant to my reasons for not wanting to live there or to the CUTLTURE which seems to embrace and need so many guns,,,,

I knew and African that was white back in college. If she were to become a citizen of the USA she would be a true African American. Neither Africa nor America is a race or skin color. If you go to Africa you will find different races with different skin colors there.

I also new a black girl that would chew you out if you called her an African American. She would make it clear that she was not one of them but her bloodline was from another place. Also, many Asian Indians from the sub part of India are black skin as well.



in this conversation, do you believe that white girl from from africa was one of the 'african americans' being referred to?

Im sure she wasnt,,,,race and ethnicity are interchangable in terms of context,, individuals can share with us what their actual 'race' is, because only they can know their biological background,, IM sure we see plenty of people we assume are 'white' throughout life who may in fact have ancestry of african origin,,,and we may see some that have no african origin that we assume are 'black'


in conversations about crime however, 'african american' usually is referring to black people in america,,,,,

African American is a misleading term and some don’t want to be called it.

http://news.yahoo.com/blacks-insist-im-not-african-american-181257715.html

What are you? Where are you from? And how do you fit into this country?

"I prefer to be called black," said Shawn Smith, an accountant from Houston. "How I really feel is, I'm American."

"I don't like African-American. It denotes something else to me than who I am," said Smith, whose parents are from Mississippi and North Carolina. "I can't recall any of them telling me anything about Africa. They told me a whole lot about where they grew up in Macomb County and Shelby, N.C."

Gibré George, an entrepreneur from Miami, started a Facebook page called "Don't Call Me African-American" on a whim. It now has about 300 "likes."

"We respect our African heritage, but that term is not really us," George said. "We're several generations down the line. If anyone were to ship us back to Africa, we'd be like fish out of water."

"It just doesn't sit well with a younger generation of black people," continued George, who is 38. "Africa was a long time ago. Are we always going to be tethered to Africa? Spiritually I'm American. When the war starts, I'm fighting for America."

Joan Morgan, a writer born in Jamaica who moved to New York City as a girl, remembers the first time she publicly corrected someone about the term: at a book signing, when she was introduced as African-American and her family members in the front rows were appalled and hurt.

"That act of calling me African-American completely erased their history and the sacrifice and contributions it took to make me an author," said Morgan, a longtime U.S. citizen who calls herself Black-Caribbean American. (Some insist Black should be capitalized.)

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Tue 04/16/13 09:00 AM




yes, african american is also a race, its the race of black folks who happen to be geographically inside of the US

its still implying that the race is the factor, and not the combination of conditions and factors affecting those groups cited about

its a false logic, and still totally irrelevant to whether I choose to be in a state where gun ownership is high,,

being texas has about a 11 percent black population, Id say race is irrelevant to my reasons for not wanting to live there or to the CUTLTURE which seems to embrace and need so many guns,,,,

I knew and African that was white back in college. If she were to become a citizen of the USA she would be a true African American. Neither Africa nor America is a race or skin color. If you go to Africa you will find different races with different skin colors there.

I also new a black girl that would chew you out if you called her an African American. She would make it clear that she was not one of them but her bloodline was from another place. Also, many Asian Indians from the sub part of India are black skin as well.



in this conversation, do you believe that white girl from from africa was one of the 'african americans' being referred to?

Im sure she wasnt,,,,race and ethnicity are interchangable in terms of context,, individuals can share with us what their actual 'race' is, because only they can know their biological background,, IM sure we see plenty of people we assume are 'white' throughout life who may in fact have ancestry of african origin,,,and we may see some that have no african origin that we assume are 'black'


in conversations about crime however, 'african american' usually is referring to black people in america,,,,,


the real African Americans should be mad about every black person using that term... most American blacks never came close to ever seeing Africa, let alone being from there...



african american is about ancestry, real african americans are proud enough to be from africa, why should they be upset about their cousins using the term 'african american'? they arent claiming to be african,, its a different term,,