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Gun-related violence in the USA isn't a racial issue. There is no correlation between the rate of violent crimes committed with guns and the race of the people committing violent crimes. Anyway, getting back to the original topic, Texas isn't less-safe than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. According to FBI statistics for the year 2010, California had 1,811 murders that year, with 1,257 of those murders involving firearms. During the same year, Texas had 356 murders, with 219 of them involving firearms. So, when one compares murder statistics for Texas with murder statistics for California, it appears that Texas is the safer state. according to your link texas had 1246 murders of which 805 were firearm deaths not much of a difference from the murders in california,,,,, You are correct. I accidentally copied the murder statistic for Tennessee.   but murder only applies to killings that are judged to be 'illegal' and doesnt account for all the killing that is justified,,,,by laws,,,, So, do you have a problem with justifiable killing? I hope not, because in the Old Testament book of Exodus, it is justifiable to execute someone who has committed murder. Now, if Mosaic Law reflects the instructions that the Lord God gave to Moses, then the Lord God declared that certain executions were justified. Are you going to say that the Lord God was wrong to instruct the Israelites to execute murderers? wow,,all this because I choose not to live in Texas? ok, so there are Gods laws and there are Mans laws,, I dont have a problem with justified killing by Gods laws, I do have a problem with what mans laws consider to be justiried Why, then, do you not express displeasure with the justified killings that take place in California? Again, you have not demonstrated that Texas is more dangerous than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. Sure, you can prefer California over Texas, but the gun issue appears to me to be a bogus issue, because statistically, areas in the USA with low rates of legal gun-ownership are also areas with high rates of gun-related murders. lots of farm land out here, and all the farmers have guns... but you'll never see them (the farmers) in the city... i haven't seen anyone else's gun in years... |
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Gun-related violence in the USA isn't a racial issue. There is no correlation between the rate of violent crimes committed with guns and the race of the people committing violent crimes. Anyway, getting back to the original topic, Texas isn't less-safe than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. According to FBI statistics for the year 2010, California had 1,811 murders that year, with 1,257 of those murders involving firearms. During the same year, Texas had 356 murders, with 219 of them involving firearms. So, when one compares murder statistics for Texas with murder statistics for California, it appears that Texas is the safer state. according to your link texas had 1246 murders of which 805 were firearm deaths not much of a difference from the murders in california,,,,, You are correct. I accidentally copied the murder statistic for Tennessee. but murder only applies to killings that are judged to be 'illegal' and doesnt account for all the killing that is justified,,,,by laws,,,, So, do you have a problem with justifiable killing? I hope not, because in the Old Testament book of Exodus, it is justifiable to execute someone who has committed murder. Now, if Mosaic Law reflects the instructions that the Lord God gave to Moses, then the Lord God declared that certain executions were justified. Are you going to say that the Lord God was wrong to instruct the Israelites to execute murderers? wow,,all this because I choose not to live in Texas? ok, so there are Gods laws and there are Mans laws,, I dont have a problem with justified killing by Gods laws, I do have a problem with what mans laws consider to be justiried Why, then, do you not express displeasure with the justified killings that take place in California? Again, you have not demonstrated that Texas is more dangerous than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. Sure, you can prefer California over Texas, but the gun issue appears to me to be a bogus issue, because statistically, areas in the USA with low rates of legal gun-ownership are also areas with high rates of gun-related murders. lots of farm land out here, and all the farmers have guns... but you'll never see them (the farmers) in the city... i haven't seen anyone else's gun in years... Some Texans possess guns for the purpose of hunting as well as for the purpose of protecting livestock. So, when comparing the rate of legal gun-ownership state be state, one needs to take in consideration how guns are used within each state. |
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Gun-related violence in the USA isn't a racial issue. There is no correlation between the rate of violent crimes committed with guns and the race of the people committing violent crimes. Anyway, getting back to the original topic, Texas isn't less-safe than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. According to FBI statistics for the year 2010, California had 1,811 murders that year, with 1,257 of those murders involving firearms. During the same year, Texas had 356 murders, with 219 of them involving firearms. So, when one compares murder statistics for Texas with murder statistics for California, it appears that Texas is the safer state. according to your link texas had 1246 murders of which 805 were firearm deaths not much of a difference from the murders in california,,,,, You are correct. I accidentally copied the murder statistic for Tennessee. but murder only applies to killings that are judged to be 'illegal' and doesnt account for all the killing that is justified,,,,by laws,,,, So, do you have a problem with justifiable killing? I hope not, because in the Old Testament book of Exodus, it is justifiable to execute someone who has committed murder. Now, if Mosaic Law reflects the instructions that the Lord God gave to Moses, then the Lord God declared that certain executions were justified. Are you going to say that the Lord God was wrong to instruct the Israelites to execute murderers? wow,,all this because I choose not to live in Texas? ok, so there are Gods laws and there are Mans laws,, I dont have a problem with justified killing by Gods laws, I do have a problem with what mans laws consider to be justiried Why, then, do you not express displeasure with the justified killings that take place in California? Again, you have not demonstrated that Texas is more dangerous than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. Sure, you can prefer California over Texas, but the gun issue appears to me to be a bogus issue, because statistically, areas in the USA with low rates of legal gun-ownership are also areas with high rates of gun-related murders. thats false, based upon the example I first gave of some of the highest gun related crime states, and their accompanying gun ownership numbers,,, but in any case, I guess im the only one whose reasons need to matter when making decisions about where I prefer to live,, whether others find them bogus or not,,,, Ill use math and continue to believe that more guns equal more ACCESS to violent outcomes,,, |
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Gun-related violence in the USA isn't a racial issue. There is no correlation between the rate of violent crimes committed with guns and the race of the people committing violent crimes. Anyway, getting back to the original topic, Texas isn't less-safe than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. According to FBI statistics for the year 2010, California had 1,811 murders that year, with 1,257 of those murders involving firearms. During the same year, Texas had 356 murders, with 219 of them involving firearms. So, when one compares murder statistics for Texas with murder statistics for California, it appears that Texas is the safer state. according to your link texas had 1246 murders of which 805 were firearm deaths not much of a difference from the murders in california,,,,, You are correct. I accidentally copied the murder statistic for Tennessee. but murder only applies to killings that are judged to be 'illegal' and doesnt account for all the killing that is justified,,,,by laws,,,, So, do you have a problem with justifiable killing? I hope not, because in the Old Testament book of Exodus, it is justifiable to execute someone who has committed murder. Now, if Mosaic Law reflects the instructions that the Lord God gave to Moses, then the Lord God declared that certain executions were justified. Are you going to say that the Lord God was wrong to instruct the Israelites to execute murderers? wow,,all this because I choose not to live in Texas? ok, so there are Gods laws and there are Mans laws,, I dont have a problem with justified killing by Gods laws, I do have a problem with what mans laws consider to be justiried Why, then, do you not express displeasure with the justified killings that take place in California? Again, you have not demonstrated that Texas is more dangerous than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. Sure, you can prefer California over Texas, but the gun issue appears to me to be a bogus issue, because statistically, areas in the USA with low rates of legal gun-ownership are also areas with high rates of gun-related murders. thats false, based upon the example I first gave of some of the highest gun related crime states, and their accompanying gun ownership numbers,,, but in any case, I guess im the only one whose reasons need to matter when making decisions about where I prefer to live,, whether others find them bogus or not,,,, Ill use math and continue to believe that more guns equal more ACCESS to violent outcomes,,, Access to guns doesn't automatically imply that crimes will be committed with the guns. Whenever a man chooses to commit a crime with a gun, the cause of the crime isn't the gun's availability. The cause is the moral decay within the man. A man can be surrounded by guns, but if his sense of morality won't let him commit a crime, then it doesn't matter how many guns that the man has access to. That is why there can be more legally-owned guns in Texas than in California but more gun-related murders in California than in Texas. |
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Gun-related violence in the USA isn't a racial issue. There is no correlation between the rate of violent crimes committed with guns and the race of the people committing violent crimes. Anyway, getting back to the original topic, Texas isn't less-safe than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. According to FBI statistics for the year 2010, California had 1,811 murders that year, with 1,257 of those murders involving firearms. During the same year, Texas had 356 murders, with 219 of them involving firearms. So, when one compares murder statistics for Texas with murder statistics for California, it appears that Texas is the safer state. according to your link texas had 1246 murders of which 805 were firearm deaths not much of a difference from the murders in california,,,,, You are correct. I accidentally copied the murder statistic for Tennessee. but murder only applies to killings that are judged to be 'illegal' and doesnt account for all the killing that is justified,,,,by laws,,,, So, do you have a problem with justifiable killing? I hope not, because in the Old Testament book of Exodus, it is justifiable to execute someone who has committed murder. Now, if Mosaic Law reflects the instructions that the Lord God gave to Moses, then the Lord God declared that certain executions were justified. Are you going to say that the Lord God was wrong to instruct the Israelites to execute murderers? wow,,all this because I choose not to live in Texas? ok, so there are Gods laws and there are Mans laws,, I dont have a problem with justified killing by Gods laws, I do have a problem with what mans laws consider to be justiried Why, then, do you not express displeasure with the justified killings that take place in California? Again, you have not demonstrated that Texas is more dangerous than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. Sure, you can prefer California over Texas, but the gun issue appears to me to be a bogus issue, because statistically, areas in the USA with low rates of legal gun-ownership are also areas with high rates of gun-related murders. thats false, based upon the example I first gave of some of the highest gun related crime states, and their accompanying gun ownership numbers,,, but in any case, I guess im the only one whose reasons need to matter when making decisions about where I prefer to live,, whether others find them bogus or not,,,, Ill use math and continue to believe that more guns equal more ACCESS to violent outcomes,,, Access to guns doesn't automatically imply that crimes will be committed with the guns. Whenever a man chooses to commit a crime with a gun, the cause of the crime isn't the gun's availability. The cause is the moral decay within the man. A man can be surrounded by guns, but if his sense of morality won't let him commit a crime, then it doesn't matter how many guns that the man has access to. That is why there can be more legally-owned guns in Texas than in California but more gun-related murders in California than in Texas. ok, got it,, still dont prefer the texan culture when it comes to human life and guns,,,, |
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Gun-related violence in the USA isn't a racial issue. There is no correlation between the rate of violent crimes committed with guns and the race of the people committing violent crimes. Anyway, getting back to the original topic, Texas isn't less-safe than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. According to FBI statistics for the year 2010, California had 1,811 murders that year, with 1,257 of those murders involving firearms. During the same year, Texas had 356 murders, with 219 of them involving firearms. So, when one compares murder statistics for Texas with murder statistics for California, it appears that Texas is the safer state. according to your link texas had 1246 murders of which 805 were firearm deaths not much of a difference from the murders in california,,,,, You are correct. I accidentally copied the murder statistic for Tennessee. but murder only applies to killings that are judged to be 'illegal' and doesnt account for all the killing that is justified,,,,by laws,,,, So, do you have a problem with justifiable killing? I hope not, because in the Old Testament book of Exodus, it is justifiable to execute someone who has committed murder. Now, if Mosaic Law reflects the instructions that the Lord God gave to Moses, then the Lord God declared that certain executions were justified. Are you going to say that the Lord God was wrong to instruct the Israelites to execute murderers? wow,,all this because I choose not to live in Texas? ok, so there are Gods laws and there are Mans laws,, I dont have a problem with justified killing by Gods laws, I do have a problem with what mans laws consider to be justiried Why, then, do you not express displeasure with the justified killings that take place in California? Again, you have not demonstrated that Texas is more dangerous than California because Texas has a higher rate of legal gun-ownership. Sure, you can prefer California over Texas, but the gun issue appears to me to be a bogus issue, because statistically, areas in the USA with low rates of legal gun-ownership are also areas with high rates of gun-related murders. thats false, based upon the example I first gave of some of the highest gun related crime states, and their accompanying gun ownership numbers,,, but in any case, I guess im the only one whose reasons need to matter when making decisions about where I prefer to live,, whether others find them bogus or not,,,, Ill use math and continue to believe that more guns equal more ACCESS to violent outcomes,,, Access to guns doesn't automatically imply that crimes will be committed with the guns. Whenever a man chooses to commit a crime with a gun, the cause of the crime isn't the gun's availability. The cause is the moral decay within the man. A man can be surrounded by guns, but if his sense of morality won't let him commit a crime, then it doesn't matter how many guns that the man has access to. That is why there can be more legally-owned guns in Texas than in California but more gun-related murders in California than in Texas. ok, got it,, still dont prefer the texan culture when it comes to human life and guns,,,, Since there are more murders with guns in California than in Texas, I don't prefer the Californian culture when it comes to human life and guns. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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since per capita firarm deaths are cmparable,, the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life combined with the gun availability is one of many things which sway me more towards california,,,,,
Ijust dont have a preference for raising my daughter in a gun culture,,,whether its one where people are safe or in danger, ID prefer safe or safer communities without the high bun ownership |
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the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life  What " ATTITUDE" ? Your statement is in need of explanation. |
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the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life What " ATTITUDE" ? Your statement is in need of explanation. shes liberal... liberals can't handle Texas to well... |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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since per capita firarm deaths are cmparable,, the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life combined with the gun availability is one of many things which sway me more towards california,,,,, Ijust dont have a preference for raising my daughter in a gun culture,,,whether its one where people are safe or in danger, ID prefer safe or safer communities without the high bun ownership Except you're NOT going to truly get safe or safer, you can't have one without the other. An armed people is a protected people, where there are fewer arms, there is going to be more crime sorry to say. Criminals are much more likely to target the more defenseless than those who are capable of defending themselves, that's a fact and also just common sense. So I'm sorry to say this but.....if you REALLY want to be safer, you're going to have to get over the dislike of guns because at the end of the day it's mans ability to possess them, the DECENT people not the ones who are gonna use them to harm (which is STILL going to happen no matter how many guns are banned or not, and is why others should be able to have em to begin with), that keeps you safe a hell of a lot more than when you don't have them. Otherwise you really only have an illusion of safety not real safety. |
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the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life What " ATTITUDE" ? Your statement is in need of explanation. there is no explanation that can be given beyond personal observation of statements from texans in the public eye and elsewhere, |
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Edited by
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Tue 04/16/13 04:56 PM
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I was born in California. My parents were from Texas and Oklahoma. I prefer Colorado (Or Arizona or Nevada) to live in.
If I were forced to move to either California or Texas, it would be Texas. I would probably fit in well there, and I would probably have a gun. I don't like California because it is over regulated and over taxed, and the state is bankrupt and poorly run. Not to mention the global coastal event predicted by the the web bot and remote viewers will probably wipe California off of the map in or around 2014, and the fault line is due for a major quake at any time. I look at Texas as the wildest of the wild west but there is a lot of illegal activity going on there concerning drug and gun smuggling. It can be a pretty dangerous place. |
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since per capita firarm deaths are cmparable,, the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life combined with the gun availability is one of many things which sway me more towards california,,,,, Ijust dont have a preference for raising my daughter in a gun culture,,,whether its one where people are safe or in danger, ID prefer safe or safer communities without the high bun ownership Except you're NOT going to truly get safe or safer, you can't have one without the other. An armed people is a protected people, where there are fewer arms, there is going to be more crime sorry to say. Criminals are much more likely to target the more defenseless than those who are capable of defending themselves, that's a fact and also just common sense. So I'm sorry to say this but.....if you REALLY want to be safer, you're going to have to get over the dislike of guns because at the end of the day it's mans ability to possess them, the DECENT people not the ones who are gonna use them to harm (which is STILL going to happen no matter how many guns are banned or not, and is why others should be able to have em to begin with), that keeps you safe a hell of a lot more than when you don't have them. Otherwise you really only have an illusion of safety not real safety. i dont have to 'get over' my dislike of guns, I Just have to move somewhere where people dont seem to worship them or be obsessed with owning arsenals of them,,,,or paraonic that 'those' people are probably criminal and therefore suspicious,,,,etc,,,,, there is no absolute equation that fewer guns is going to equal more crime, so that is not common sense common sense says if there are more tools of violence there is more OPPORTUNITY for violence to occur,,,,, |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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common sense says if there are more tools of violence there is more OPPORTUNITY for violence to occur,,,,, Tools are not violent. People are.  Thinking about that, in the absence of guns, a knife, or an ax or a rock or a club would do just fine. And hand to hand combat with an ax just seems more violent to me. A bullet to the brain, on the other hand, very neat and tidy. With a silencer, even better. 
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the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life What " ATTITUDE" ? Your statement is in need of explanation. there is no explanation that can be given beyond personal observation of statements from texans in the public eye and elsewhere, In other the words, the alleged "ATTITUDE" is your personal interpretation, lacking any objective data to support it. Oh well. So be it. |
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the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life What " ATTITUDE" ? Your statement is in need of explanation. there is no explanation that can be given beyond personal observation of statements from texans in the public eye and elsewhere, In other the words, the alleged "ATTITUDE" is your personal interpretation, lacking any objective data to support it. Oh well. So be it. Texans do have an attitude. |
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common sense says if there are more tools of violence there is more OPPORTUNITY for violence to occur,,,,, Tools are not violent. People are. Thinking about that, in the absence of guns, a knife, or an ax or a rock or a club would do just fine. And hand to hand combat with an ax just seems more violent to me. A bullet to the brain, on the other hand, very neat and tidy. With a silencer, even better. and it'd take more time to use any of those things......too much time in the face of a gun. They are not as practical against a gun as another gun is. Again that's a common sense deal. |
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the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life What " ATTITUDE" ? Your statement is in need of explanation. there is no explanation that can be given beyond personal observation of statements from texans in the public eye and elsewhere, In other the words, the alleged "ATTITUDE" is your personal interpretation, lacking any objective data to support it. Oh well. So be it. the objective data is the gun ownership in texas, I dont want my daughter raised up surrounded by guns and I Have no way to objectively prove an attitude, I can only go by personal observation, which is just as handy a tool in such decisions,,, for me seems simple enough,,,, |
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As a well known comedian stated about Texas,
"We not only have a death penalty, we put in a fast lane." |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Tue 04/16/13 05:20 PM
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since per capita firarm deaths are cmparable,, the apparent ATTITUDE of texans towards other human life combined with the gun availability is one of many things which sway me more towards california,,,,, Ijust dont have a preference for raising my daughter in a gun culture,,,whether its one where people are safe or in danger, ID prefer safe or safer communities without the high bun ownership Except you're NOT going to truly get safe or safer, you can't have one without the other. An armed people is a protected people, where there are fewer arms, there is going to be more crime sorry to say. Criminals are much more likely to target the more defenseless than those who are capable of defending themselves, that's a fact and also just common sense. So I'm sorry to say this but.....if you REALLY want to be safer, you're going to have to get over the dislike of guns because at the end of the day it's mans ability to possess them, the DECENT people not the ones who are gonna use them to harm (which is STILL going to happen no matter how many guns are banned or not, and is why others should be able to have em to begin with), that keeps you safe a hell of a lot more than when you don't have them. Otherwise you really only have an illusion of safety not real safety. i dont have to 'get over' my dislike of guns, I Just have to move somewhere where people dont seem to worship them or be obsessed with owning arsenals of them,,,,or paraonic that 'those' people are probably criminal and therefore suspicious,,,,etc,,,,, there is no absolute equation that fewer guns is going to equal more crime, so that is not common sense common sense says if there are more tools of violence there is more OPPORTUNITY for violence to occur,,,,, But it also says that ANYTHING you ban, no matter it be certain types of guns or anything else, does NOT take them out of society it just pushes them underground. Ergo, the more you regulate guns the more access criminals have to them in that culture, and the more at risk you put yourself and your loved ones. What it comes down to is this.....the guns are not going away no matter what laws exist or don't, they are here and here to stay. Would you rather have them in the hands of responsible people or in the hands of criminals? It's as simple as that right there. And if you wanna talk paranoid, I think you need to look at yourself first, because it's evident you are paranoid to the point that even the thought of a gun means bad can happen to you. As the saying goes, guns don't kill, people do. Learn to separate the two, the gun is just the means. |
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