Topic: so who has the truth?
TheLonelyWalker's photo
Fri 08/17/07 09:21 AM
IRS, Social Security Administration, or Homeland Security?

IRS privacy rule hinders crackdown on employers


WASHINGTON - Days after unveiling a major crackdown on businesses that hire illegal immigrants, the Bush administration is now quietly admitting that its most heavily touted weapon in pursuing employers will be virtually useless.

At the heart of the new rules announced last week is toughened Homeland Security enforcement of so-called "no match" letters - which the Social Security Administration sends to companies when employees have questionable identification numbers.

But Homeland Security officials acknowledged this week that because of a privacy provision in the Internal Revenue Service code, immigration officials will actually have no way of knowing which employers have received "no-match" letters, which have complied and which have not.

"While we don't get information directly from the Social Security Administration, we do see that we get a lot of tips," DHS spokeswoman Veronica Nun Valdez said. "There are number of people that do come forward and tell us an employer is not conforming with the law."

In addition to working with informants, Valdez said immigration officials plan to step up investigations and raids, which will likely yield sanctions against violating companies.

But illegal-immigration hardliners said they feel bamboozled.
Many noted that working with tips and increasing raids is nothing new, and they said they had assumed that the government had resolved the long-standing data-sharing issue.

Bob DaneBob Dane, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, said that without Homeland Security being able to get information directly from the Social Security Administration, the new rules are just "empty threats."

"Good God, if they're going to spend money on postage and send out threatening letters, which are long overdue, they need to have some practical enforcement at the end," he said.

No-match `red flag'

Since 1994, the Social Security Administration has sent out the annual letters to companies when a large number of W-2 forms submitted for employees don't match the name or Social Security number the agency has on file.

While there can be several reasons for a "no match," activists note it is often a red flag that a worker is an illegal immigrant.

In the past, companies have largely ignored the letters and "thrown them in the circular file," as Dane describes it.

But the new immigration rules the White House rolled out last week promised serious changes.

Starting next month, Social Security officials will send out about 140,000 "no match" letters, with about 35,474 going to employers in California.

The envelopes will include a separate letter from Homeland Security officials informing companies that they might be in violation of immigration law and have 90 days to correct the Social Security inconsistencies.

If they do not, the letter warns, the agency could "determine that you have violated the law by knowingly continuing to employ an unauthorized person."

A first-offense fine was increased to $2,200 per employee.

Clampdown planned

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff proclaimed the move means the agency will "clamp down on employers who knowingly and willfully violate the law." Editorial pages across the country proclaimed a new day for immigration enforcement.

Left untouched, however, was section 6103 of the IRS code - a privacy provision the government has long interpreted to mean that Social Security officials are forbidden from sharing tax information with other agencies.

Several members of Congress, including Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Thousand Oaks, have tried to amend the provision. Most recently, the failed Senate immigration bill, which also would have granted citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants, sought to fix it.

"It would make it a lot easier," Valdez said.

But without that change - like traffic cops with a stack of tickets but no map to the highway - DHS can only ask Social Security officials to insert its warnings into the "no-match" letters.

"So the most meaningful part of this new initiative may not be so meaningful," said Steven Camarota, research director for the Center of Immigration Studies, which advocates restriction of all immigration.

"That's not surprising," he said. "The administration has never shown a great desire to enforce the law."

Still, leaders with California industries - such as agriculture and food services, which rely heavily on illegal labor - said they aren't taking any chances.

Trade groups that represent the sectors said they have strongly recommended that employers follow the new rules, regardless of the government's ability to trace its own threats.

"I think this is viewed as more of a self-enforcing thing," said John Gay, top lobbyist for the National Restaurant Association, which represents an estimated 1.4 million employees in California. "This is another tool in their kit. It's easier to establish a violation with these rules."

Tom Nassif, president of the Western Growers Association, pointed out that any "no-match" letters a company receives will come out during a civil trial if that business is ever cited for immigration violations.

Employers targets

And if the company has not complied, it could face the tough new financial and prison penalties.

"We could be targets for these investigations," he said. "It behooves us to do what we can to follow them."

Nassif said he still believes the new rules will cripple California's $37 billion agricultural industry. About 70 percent of the state's estimated 500,000 farmworkers are illegal immigrants, he said, and he believes most will be fired by fearful employers.

"With that dramatic a loss, I think people stop producing," he said.

Camarota said he suspects the Bush administration hopes the business community, whose division over the recent Senate immigration compromise bill helped lead to its failure, will be galvanized into action by the threat of economic upheaval.

"They don't really want to upset the apple cart; they just want to tip it back and forth and act like they're doing something," Camarota said of the administration's rules.

"What they really want to do is get the business community off the dime."

Nassif agreed but called it a risky gamble with the country's economy.

"I think they want the public to be so damaged and so fearful that they raise a clamor," he said.

But, Nassif added, "This is playing Russian roulette. If that gambit doesn't work, then the blood will continue to flow."

lisa.friedman@langnews.com


Fanta46's photo
Fri 08/17/07 10:10 AM
laugh laugh laugh

Oh what do I do???

Nothing!!!!!drinker drinker



no photo
Fri 08/17/07 11:19 AM
and on that note.....


i have to wonder what was all the bla bla bla bla blah about and

WHO PAID them to do that then?????


how much taxpayer's money gets spent negotiating and writing and proposing and memo-ing, and rewriting, and spewing out all this useless
rhetoric??!!!


wtf!!!???noway

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Fri 08/17/07 01:15 PM
even if they succeed sending letters for matching social security numbers.
that would be a very outdated strategy, most employers who hire illegals pay them under the table, that money is not even taxed.
how IRS or social security administration will be able to find out?
unless somebody calls 1-800-lamigra, so they can find out.
laugh laugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Fri 08/17/07 01:32 PM
oh ,oh
debateable
drinker

Fanta46's photo
Fri 08/17/07 01:48 PM
Oh Hum, taps fingerson table, grimaces, holds breath!!

God this is hard.........huh huh noway

gardenforge's photo
Fri 08/17/07 04:23 PM
if one had to describe the current situation in two words, the first word would be "Cluster". Both sides of the aisle are afraid to step up and do the right thing.

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 08/17/07 07:07 PM
I can only address this topic based on my personal experience. For many years I was the back room operations manager of a company. We hired a lot of laborers and crews. About the same time we started hearing the tales of major illegal immigration round ups, here in Indianapolis, I got the first of these 'no match' notices. The employee worked for us about 4 months and was gone. All I could do was provide the feedback that I could not follow up on the error. HOWEVER, we still had to pay our share of that persons tax debt, even though it could or would never be equated to someone's labor.

The next year I receive the notice - mind you, they always came in June, far beyond the deadline for Federal taxes. If the party paid taxes they would have realized by their tax form being spit out the system that they had a mis-matched SS number.
Anyway, on the notice were two employees, who, to my knowledge were still being scheduled for jobs. I don't speak spanish and the phone numbers I had were to people I could not communicate with. I talked to the scheduler and had HIM call. The answering end KNEW who he was and passed him on to someone in the family who did speak english. He told them I needed info about a job they just did, in order to pay them. The one guy called me, and I asked him to verify his SS# - he verified the incorrect number, and asked if there was a problem? OK, SO I WAS STILL INNOCENT. I said yes, and told him about the notice from the IRS. He said, he'd had the problem before and he knew how to fix it and quickly said thanks and hung up. BYE BYE!

Never heard from again. I knew the company was in no danger, because I was the one who created and implemented all the human resource information. I knew I had follow the IRS and State regulation and could back it up.

But once again, what could be done? The timeliness factor and the routine of it, blows it's usefulness right out of the water.

Just like the use of tax dollars to support the agency who is responsible for collecting and accounting for that tax, it's a waste in time and money.

I began to notice a pattern, and I always had to laugh when I finally got my notice, because NONE of the employees were to be found.

Just because someone is desperate does not make them stupid.