Topic: Fornication and Adultery
glowlove2013's photo
Fri 05/31/13 11:14 PM
The bible says we should not sin against our body by defiling it with sexual imoralities. The most common sin is sexual sin is so serious most religious people don't see anything wrong with it. Why?

msharmony's photo
Fri 05/31/13 11:45 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 05/31/13 11:56 PM

The bible says we should not sin against our body by defiling it with sexual imoralities. The most common sin is sexual sin is so serious most religious people don't see anything wrong with it. Why?


I think because most people have made an unbreakable link in their minds between love and sex,,,,,,,and, as humans, we have a hard time sometimes ever equating love with sin,,,,,


and the culture, media, education make sex such an inevitable fact of life and part of adulthood, fornication is encouraged, promoted, as normal and expected


the world teaches us we are 'hardwired' for lusts and sexual behaviors from a young age,, and so called professionals reinforce that theory constantly

as we repeat a habit , a self identification, we reinforce it over and over and it becomes more and more of our self perception and our reality,, I Truly believe sex is an addiction that is culturally accepted, to the point of being the very definition of 'who we are' as definitive as what our gender is or what our racial heritage is,,,

we also include in our idea of adult relationships or adult necessities,, sex, so the idea of abstinence seems pointless and even an unreasonable expectation to far too many,,,

we also have a cultural philosphy where wrong is both subjective and non existent unless there is a visible and immediate physical harm resulting,,,so very little seems 'wrong' to us that appears 'victimless'

mistahbrown's photo
Sat 06/01/13 12:03 AM
Like most things in all the different versions of the bibles, it would seem that the texts are to be taken as a guideline and not a strict set of rules..

If everyone is to abstain from fornication and only to indulge in sex as a means of procreation, wouldn't you be denying yourselves one of the most intimate experiences that can be had together?

Besides, isn't it a better idea to be living good and well, both spiritually, mentally and physically without having to align yourself with guidelines that hint at for all your self denial and flagellation, you'll receive salvation?

Finally, which man can preach the wages of sin without a pang of guilt once the service is over and he takes his benz for a spin?

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 12:07 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/01/13 12:08 AM
If everyone is to abstain from fornication and only to indulge in sex as a means of procreation, wouldn't you be denying yourselves one of the most intimate experiences that can be had together?



.....and the culture, media, education make sex such an inevitable fact of life and part of adulthood, fornication is encouraged, promoted, as normal and expected




NOTE: sex isnt Only for procreation, it is also to have that one partner with which to share intimacy with,,,,

diabetics can learn to live without chocolate, for their health, and even denying themself oneof the most delicious treats that can be eaten, they are still living full and happy a life as those who eat chocolate daily,,,,,there is more than one way to be intimate and more than one path to being fulfilled or living a full life

but it is something designed to be between man and woman, and it is best serving the population when that man and woman have made a commitment to each other,,,

JetskiBrad's photo
Sat 06/01/13 12:13 AM
Why is love, lust and sex a sin? Isn't it beautiful and fullfilling for a couple to be intimate. Why has it become dirty to love and be intimate?

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 12:20 AM

Why is love, lust and sex a sin? Isn't it beautiful and fullfilling for a couple to be intimate. Why has it become dirty to love and be intimate?



love is not dirty
lust is not clean
sex is just a way of expressing love or lust

sex in love and commitment is not dirty
sex without the commitment is,,,

JetskiBrad's photo
Sat 06/01/13 12:27 AM
Why is lust not clean? If a couple lust for one and other, why is this not clean. I agree about commitment.

KyRob's photo
Sat 06/01/13 01:04 AM
The Most Common sin isn't sexual, at all. The Most common sin in the traditional Christian community is breaking the Sabbaths(Leviticus 23)
It is written that when we break one commandment we break them all. This meaning the 1-4, teach humans how to Love God and 5-10 teach humans love towards fellow humans. Love towards God and Neighbor these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. Christ says so, as well. By breaking the weekly Sabbath in order to obey traditions of Rome, the world is blinded to a false Gospel and another Jesus, that isn't provable in the Bible, at all. Matthew 22:35-46.Paraphrase of Psalm 110:1.

This is the conclusion of the Messianic community. If we can't see a valid reason for observing the 4th commandment, we are guilty of breaking them all, as well.
Go back to Roman Emperor Constantine with his Council of Nicea in 325 AD..Almost 300 years after Christ started the Apostolic Church of God. Revelation 17. How has this rebellion spread like wild fire? Mark 7:6-13,par Isaiah29:13-14! Remember Christ was an observant Jew! Matthew 5:17-20

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/01/13 01:20 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 06/01/13 01:21 AM
If it feels good,Do It!pitchfork


Within reason!laugh















How do you think Humans prevailed on this Planet for all this time?bigsmile

RKISIT's photo
Sat 06/01/13 11:07 AM
When you consolidate what the bible has about sex and what it's followers really due it's totally opposite.When it comes to sex the bible is put back in the night stand.The kama sutra is pulled out.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 12:29 PM

If it feels good,Do It!pitchfork


Within reason!laugh















How do you think Humans prevailed on this Planet for all this time?bigsmile



how do you think humans will eventually destroy themself?

JetskiBrad's photo
Sat 06/01/13 03:53 PM
History proves that Humans will destroy themselves due to religion. Most wars have been over it.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 06:02 PM

History proves that Humans will destroy themselves due to religion. Most wars have been over it.



no, war is natural,,,death will come more often the more we are CREATING life that we arent planning to care for, and creating diseases along with it that kill us



no photo
Sat 06/01/13 06:36 PM


Why is love, lust and sex a sin? Isn't it beautiful and fullfilling for a couple to be intimate. Why has it become dirty to love and be intimate?



love is not dirty
lust is not clean
sex is just a way of expressing love or lust

sex in love and commitment is not dirty
sex without the commitment is,,,


If for you, sex without commitment is dirty, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean sex without commitment is dirty for everyone. It's a personal choice for you to decide its dirty.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 06:58 PM



Why is love, lust and sex a sin? Isn't it beautiful and fullfilling for a couple to be intimate. Why has it become dirty to love and be intimate?



love is not dirty
lust is not clean
sex is just a way of expressing love or lust

sex in love and commitment is not dirty
sex without the commitment is,,,


If for you, sex without commitment is dirty, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean sex without commitment is dirty for everyone. It's a personal choice for you to decide its dirty.



well, being consistent, I dont hold others to a different standard of dirty or clean

if I think its dirty, its dirty regardless of who has done it,,,

although what I think is dirty may be subjective, applying it consistently is not,,,,

Jennerling's photo
Sat 06/01/13 07:23 PM
"Fornication and Adultery"


Yes pleasebigsmile flowerforyou

no photo
Sat 06/01/13 07:31 PM




Why is love, lust and sex a sin? Isn't it beautiful and fullfilling for a couple to be intimate. Why has it become dirty to love and be intimate?



love is not dirty
lust is not clean
sex is just a way of expressing love or lust

sex in love and commitment is not dirty
sex without the commitment is,,,


If for you, sex without commitment is dirty, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean sex without commitment is dirty for everyone. It's a personal choice for you to decide its dirty.



well, being consistent, I dont hold others to a different standard of dirty or clean

if I think its dirty, its dirty regardless of who has done it,,,

although what I think is dirty may be subjective, applying it consistently is not,,,,


Other people have different beliefs than you do, though. You saying they're dirty for having sex without commitment is your opinion. They may not hold that same opinion, because they may have different beliefs. It is your personal choice to have the beliefs you have, therefor, it is your choice to decide that sex without commitment is dirty.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 07:43 PM





Why is love, lust and sex a sin? Isn't it beautiful and fullfilling for a couple to be intimate. Why has it become dirty to love and be intimate?



love is not dirty
lust is not clean
sex is just a way of expressing love or lust

sex in love and commitment is not dirty
sex without the commitment is,,,


If for you, sex without commitment is dirty, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean sex without commitment is dirty for everyone. It's a personal choice for you to decide its dirty.



well, being consistent, I dont hold others to a different standard of dirty or clean

if I think its dirty, its dirty regardless of who has done it,,,

although what I think is dirty may be subjective, applying it consistently is not,,,,


Other people have different beliefs than you do, though. You saying they're dirty for having sex without commitment is your opinion. They may not hold that same opinion, because they may have different beliefs. It is your personal choice to have the beliefs you have, therefor, it is your choice to decide that sex without commitment is dirty.



agreed


I thought it was obvious I was stating an opinion about behavior that is clean or unclean,, opinion that has nothing to do with which persons engage in it,,,,

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 06/01/13 09:44 PM
I was thinking their is a difference between Adultery and Fornication

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/01/13 10:05 PM

I was thinking their is a difference between Adultery and Fornication


in terms of sin, its a debatable point

both being sins against the body,,,