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Topic: President Obama: Trayvon Martin's death is a tragedy for Ame
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Wed 07/17/13 08:42 AM



There was a case of a white couple that was brutally and savagely killed. You never heard anything about that. Then earlier this year we had two black teenagers who shot a white infant in the face with a .22 caliber pistol. And we still have not heard anything from the NAACP, or from the media on that case as well…so I think there is a little cherry-picking here for the sake of political purposes and we need to get away from that.

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hmmm

so in these cases did they have the person responsible and set him free, and try to avoid the 'travesty' of trying those responsible?

.,,,so tired of this lame comeback,,,the point is in the REACTION,, the NON REACTION,, thats what got the press, the parents outrage over the lack of any type of JUSTICE for their sons death,,,,

the mere condition of murders happening is not what this is about,, its about how the RESPONSE changes depending upon the victim/accused dymanic,,,




Zimmerman shot in self defense. This was determined by the investigators from the beginning. Then the people, who obviously don't trust the system did not believe them and demanded he be arrested and tried. They succeeded and it was done TO APPEASE THIS LYNCH MOB.

He was tried and found not guilty. But they STILL DON'T TRUST THE SYSTEM. I get that. I don't trust the system that much either, but it is what it is and it is all we have. And it is better than a lynch mob.

They are a LYNCH MOB with mob mentality, led by the Media whores and people with agendas.

They got what they wanted, an arrest and a trial. WHAT?? Oh that's right, that's not what they wanted. They wanted to lynch the guy. They wanted to put the guy in prison. To hell with a fair trial, to hell with the courts, to hell with the law!!

Now they still want to riot. How many more people are going to get hurt or die because of this media circus?

These people who keep whining and complaining need to shut the hell up and get over it.









demonstrating is an American right that doesn't make people into lynch mobs

it just makes them aware of how to use their civil rights in protest of injustice

how many 'riots' have there been so far,, they ALL want to riot ,,, really?

more sterotyping,,,

everyone I know, wants an unarmed kid shot dead by an armed ADULT to get justice for his unnecessary . unjust death,,,and for being denied what should have been his 'right' to defend himself from a strange stalker who was trying to detain him,,,

and then pulled a gun and shot him when that provocation ended up in a fight he couldn't win,,,,



The time for demonstrating is OVER!!

The man has been arrested, tried and found NOT GUILTY. Don't you get that?

There can be no double jeopardy or another trial just because of this mob mentality and media circus.

If you watched the entire trial, please show me how it was not a fair trial. Show me the evidence that should have or could have convicted him BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

All you have done is convicted him in your own mind based on your own biased prejudice.




TJN's photo
Wed 07/17/13 09:59 AM
The only thing Zimmerman is guilty of is not being black.
How many black teens have been murdered by other blacks?
Where is the outrage for them?

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Wed 07/17/13 03:00 PM




There was a case of a white couple that was brutally and savagely killed. You never heard anything about that. Then earlier this year we had two black teenagers who shot a white infant in the face with a .22 caliber pistol. And we still have not heard anything from the NAACP, or from the media on that case as well…so I think there is a little cherry-picking here for the sake of political purposes and we need to get away from that.

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hmmm

so in these cases did they have the person responsible and set him free, and try to avoid the 'travesty' of trying those responsible?

.,,,so tired of this lame comeback,,,the point is in the REACTION,, the NON REACTION,, thats what got the press, the parents outrage over the lack of any type of JUSTICE for their sons death,,,,

the mere condition of murders happening is not what this is about,, its about how the RESPONSE changes depending upon the victim/accused dymanic,,,




Zimmerman shot in self defense. This was determined by the investigators from the beginning. Then the people, who obviously don't trust the system did not believe them and demanded he be arrested and tried. They succeeded and it was done TO APPEASE THIS LYNCH MOB.

He was tried and found not guilty. But they STILL DON'T TRUST THE SYSTEM. I get that. I don't trust the system that much either, but it is what it is and it is all we have. And it is better than a lynch mob.

They are a LYNCH MOB with mob mentality, led by the Media whores and people with agendas.

They got what they wanted, an arrest and a trial. WHAT?? Oh that's right, that's not what they wanted. They wanted to lynch the guy. They wanted to put the guy in prison. To hell with a fair trial, to hell with the courts, to hell with the law!!

Now they still want to riot. How many more people are going to get hurt or die because of this media circus?

These people who keep whining and complaining need to shut the hell up and get over it.









demonstrating is an American right that doesn't make people into lynch mobs

it just makes them aware of how to use their civil rights in protest of injustice

how many 'riots' have there been so far,, they ALL want to riot ,,, really?

more sterotyping,,,

everyone I know, wants an unarmed kid shot dead by an armed ADULT to get justice for his unnecessary . unjust death,,,and for being denied what should have been his 'right' to defend himself from a strange stalker who was trying to detain him,,,

and then pulled a gun and shot him when that provocation ended up in a fight he couldn't win,,,,



The time for demonstrating is OVER!!

The man has been arrested, tried and found NOT GUILTY. Don't you get that?

There can be no double jeopardy or another trial just because of this mob mentality and media circus.

If you watched the entire trial, please show me how it was not a fair trial. Show me the evidence that should have or could have convicted him BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

All you have done is convicted him in your own mind based on your own biased prejudice.







he was found not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter,
in criminal court

dj only means they cant bring THOSE charges again in another criminal court

there are other courts and other ways of holding Z accountable for the unarmed minors death

I already typed out the evidence that convinced 'beyond a doubt' that he followed and accosted this boy,,,,others just would rather believe the boy was armed with a concrete slab just because the armed adult hit his head on the ground,,,


all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....



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Wed 07/17/13 03:03 PM

The only thing Zimmerman is guilty of is not being black.
How many black teens have been murdered by other blacks?
Where is the outrage for them?



this has been explained, over and over and over again

perhaps because you are not part of a black family, or black community , you are unaware of reality

the reality is there is OUTRAGE all year long in black communities about crime,,and people in those communities are all year long trying to implement programs and procedures to reduce those numbers

the reality is the OUTRAGE in this case wasnt about the fact that 'another black teen' is dead,, but the fact that NOTHING Was being done about his death

in those 'black on black' teens cases,, that is rarely if ever an issue,, you can pretty much GUARANTEE the law will prosecute those teens who kill each other,,,



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Wed 07/17/13 03:57 PM
all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....


msharmony, now you are making a straw-man argument.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for being a cop-wannabe.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for refusing to follow the 911 police operator's instruction for Zimmerman to not follow Martin.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for calling 911 because he prejudged Martin.

Yet, those same people acknowledge that Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman feared for his safety. That is why they agree with the verdict.

At the same time, a person can want justice for Martin that doesn't involve Zimmerman being sent to prison.

As I see it, Zimmerman should be held legally accountable for calling 911 to make a false claim, because Zimmerman implied that Martin was doing something wrong.

By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*.

(*I use the word "you" in a general sense.)

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Wed 07/17/13 04:35 PM

all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....


msharmony, now you are making a straw-man argument.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for being a cop-wannabe.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for refusing to follow the 911 police operator's instruction for Zimmerman to not follow Martin.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for calling 911 because he prejudged Martin.

Yet, those same people acknowledge that Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman feared for his safety. That is why they agree with the verdict.

At the same time, a person can want justice for Martin that doesn't involve Zimmerman being sent to prison.

As I see it, Zimmerman should be held legally accountable for calling 911 to make a false claim, because Zimmerman implied that Martin was doing something wrong.

By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*.

(*I use the word "you" in a general sense.)


"By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*".

And that would include you? Who elected you as judge?


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Wed 07/17/13 04:41 PM


all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....


msharmony, now you are making a straw-man argument.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for being a cop-wannabe.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for refusing to follow the 911 police operator's instruction for Zimmerman to not follow Martin.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for calling 911 because he prejudged Martin.

Yet, those same people acknowledge that Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman feared for his safety. That is why they agree with the verdict.

At the same time, a person can want justice for Martin that doesn't involve Zimmerman being sent to prison.

As I see it, Zimmerman should be held legally accountable for calling 911 to make a false claim, because Zimmerman implied that Martin was doing something wrong.

By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*.

(*I use the word "you" in a general sense.)


"By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*".

And that would include you? Who elected you as judge?


I am not the one who is claiming "bias".

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Wed 07/17/13 04:47 PM



all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....


msharmony, now you are making a straw-man argument.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for being a cop-wannabe.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for refusing to follow the 911 police operator's instruction for Zimmerman to not follow Martin.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for calling 911 because he prejudged Martin.

Yet, those same people acknowledge that Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman feared for his safety. That is why they agree with the verdict.

At the same time, a person can want justice for Martin that doesn't involve Zimmerman being sent to prison.

As I see it, Zimmerman should be held legally accountable for calling 911 to make a false claim, because Zimmerman implied that Martin was doing something wrong.

By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*.

(*I use the word "you" in a general sense.)


"By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*".

And that would include you? Who elected you as judge?


I am not the one who is claiming "bias".

Let ye,who are free of bias, cast the first stone,

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 07/17/13 04:50 PM




all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....


msharmony, now you are making a straw-man argument.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for being a cop-wannabe.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for refusing to follow the 911 police operator's instruction for Zimmerman to not follow Martin.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for calling 911 because he prejudged Martin.

Yet, those same people acknowledge that Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman feared for his safety. That is why they agree with the verdict.

At the same time, a person can want justice for Martin that doesn't involve Zimmerman being sent to prison.

As I see it, Zimmerman should be held legally accountable for calling 911 to make a false claim, because Zimmerman implied that Martin was doing something wrong.

By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*.

(*I use the word "you" in a general sense.)


"By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*".

And that would include you? Who elected you as judge?


I am not the one who is claiming "bias".

Let ye,who are free of bias, cast the first stone,


That is my point. Another person accused others of bias, but is the accuser completely free of bias? I think not.

TJN's photo
Wed 07/17/13 05:57 PM


The only thing Zimmerman is guilty of is not being black.
How many black teens have been murdered by other blacks?
Where is the outrage for them?



this has been explained, over and over and over again

perhaps because you are not part of a black family, or black community , you are unaware of reality

the reality is there is OUTRAGE all year long in black communities about crime,,and people in those communities are all year long trying to implement programs and procedures to reduce those numbers

the reality is the OUTRAGE in this case wasnt about the fact that 'another black teen' is dead,, but the fact that NOTHING Was being done about his death

in those 'black on black' teens cases,, that is rarely if ever an issue,, you can pretty much GUARANTEE the law will prosecute those teens who kill each other,,,




I live in a predominantly black community and work there also.
But I guess not being black "excludes" me from understanding SMH
There are many that don't end up with a conviction.
I never see rallies or protests for anything locally.
The reason this is an issue is because Sarpton saw an opportunity to make a race issue out of it.
I was even threatoned at work on Monday because of the verdict.
I'm still trying to figure that out. A Hispanic murders a black and let's blame and threaton the white man.

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Wed 07/17/13 06:19 PM
Just an excuse for the animals to pack and be stupid.

They don't like or think then they wanna kill and riot.

Pretty stupid

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Wed 07/17/13 10:23 PM


all others have done is find him not guilty in their minds because of their own biases about what a 'good and watchful citizen' he probably is,,,....


msharmony, now you are making a straw-man argument.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for being a cop-wannabe.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for refusing to follow the 911 police operator's instruction for Zimmerman to not follow Martin.

Plenty of people have criticized Zimmerman for calling 911 because he prejudged Martin.

Yet, those same people acknowledge that Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman feared for his safety. That is why they agree with the verdict.

At the same time, a person can want justice for Martin that doesn't involve Zimmerman being sent to prison.

As I see it, Zimmerman should be held legally accountable for calling 911 to make a false claim, because Zimmerman implied that Martin was doing something wrong.

By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*.

(*I use the word "you" in a general sense.)


"By the way, I have yet to meet a person who was completely free of bias. So, when you* point a finger at someone and cry, "Bias!", three fingers are pointed back at you*".

And that would include you? Who elected you as judge?




no one had to appoint me as judge for me to use judgement,,,

and I agree that every person will bring some bias/personal perspective of what 'facts' mean,, when presented with them

but the truth will be the truth regardless of the bias that may have been present in getting to it

and I believe the truth is this man profiled, stalked, and attempted to detain this unarmed boy until he finally exercised HIS RIGHT to defend HIMSELF,, which (Because the grown man couldn't fight his way out of a per bag, and because the boy could manage to break his nose) the stalker used to make a claim that there was some potentially deadly attack with CONCRETE that justified shooting the boy dead,,,,

in essence, his in ability to do more than lay his hands on someone and carry a gun , gave him legal justification to many to shoot the very person who needed to be defending their life from him,,

a slight interruption in the threat of danger T perceived was legally justified because T was able at some point to fight back,,,

now, I have some personal perception that leads me to the conclusion just as the jurors did,, but whichever one of us has it right will not change,,,,and one of the two stories is right,,,,

but,, as I keep saying (and it feels better each time I do),, Karma is a trip,,,,,

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Wed 07/17/13 10:26 PM
yawn asleep asleep asleep

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/17/13 10:29 PM



The only thing Zimmerman is guilty of is not being black.
How many black teens have been murdered by other blacks?
Where is the outrage for them?



this has been explained, over and over and over again

perhaps because you are not part of a black family, or black community , you are unaware of reality

the reality is there is OUTRAGE all year long in black communities about crime,,and people in those communities are all year long trying to implement programs and procedures to reduce those numbers

the reality is the OUTRAGE in this case wasnt about the fact that 'another black teen' is dead,, but the fact that NOTHING Was being done about his death

in those 'black on black' teens cases,, that is rarely if ever an issue,, you can pretty much GUARANTEE the law will prosecute those teens who kill each other,,,




I live in a predominantly black community and work there also.
But I guess not being black "excludes" me from understanding SMH
There are many that don't end up with a conviction.
I never see rallies or protests for anything locally.
The reason this is an issue is because Sarpton saw an opportunity to make a race issue out of it.
I was even threatoned at work on Monday because of the verdict.
I'm still trying to figure that out. A Hispanic murders a black and let's blame and threaton the white man.



not ending up with a conviction is not the same as not being 'charged',,, and Im sure that those who end up without a conviction are few and in between,,,,,,

the reason its an issue, is because parents all over the country can picture THEIR MINOR Walking home from a store at night and having this situation with an armed adult who harasses and accosts him,, and then having that adult go free from legal culpability because the minor was able to break their nose in the altercation,,,,,

that's the ISSUE Here that impassions people,, a minor in a new area and an armed adult who was supposedly a 'watch captain',,,,ending up following and shooting this minor,,

that the ADULT isn't culpable for any number of things that would have deescalated the event and not lead to the death of an unarmed minor

in consntual sex, we hold the adult more accountable, even if the minor is consenting,,,,,,but in this case, we let the adult go free from penalty for shooting a minor dead just because the minor fought with them after being stalked and accosted,,,

the idea that the MINOR should be held responsible for that ADULTS misjudgment and harassment and eventual decision to murder,, is just preposterously unjust/sick,,,, to many of us,,,

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