for what we know right now, your 100% right... buit it is not out of the realm of possibilities...

Moe, I'm not saying that didn't happen. I'm a mormon, I believe the Bible, but we can't go around saying it's 100% scientifically accurate. And if you are going to say that you need to use sources to back up your claims so that they can be contested and proven or no one can be convinced of any truth and we'll just continue a long and fruitless circular debate. We're not talking about miracles here, we're talking about the soundness of Biblical record. If you just say "well it's true" and side with an opinion without substantiating that opinion with sufficient evidence then people will assume you're choosing to believe something just because you want to, and not because you love truth and seem to have searched it out and found it.

So again, do you have sources you can bring up to legitimize your claim that the bible is 100% scientifically accurate?

maybe we have a misunderstanding, i'm with you, the bible is not scientifically accurate...at all

Here is some evidence for you -

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

It is very obvious that you have never studied the issue of the accuracy of the bible and are making statements you cannot back up!

Where Is your evidence?

ok, i'll ask again... jesus walked on water.. and turned it into wine...


can you show me how please?

The following info came from this web site

www.BeginningAndEnd.com/how-do-we-know-the-bible-is-true/


2.  The Bible is so old, how do we know someone has not changed it around over the years?

This is a great question. Any ancient book or writing is judged by its oldest copies or manuscripts. This means a historian will take the oldest versions of a book and look at it to see if they match up with newer versions. They will also look at how many copies of the oldest version exist because the more copies there are all over the Earth the easier it is to see if they are all the same and then we know no one’s changed them around.

Number of Manuscripts  of some famous works

Book                                                         When Written                                    # of Manuscripts
The writings of Julius Casear              1,000 years after his death                  10

Homer (author of the Illiad)               500 years after his death                     643

The writings of Plato                            1,200 years after his death!!!                7

The New Testament                              25-50 years after Jesus’ death             26,0000

YES, there are currently 26,000 ancient manuscripts and portions of the New Testament that archeologists have discovered.  When it comes to which of these “great works” are historically reliable, it’s not even close. The Bible has them beat by a long shot.

Science and the Bible
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The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible. We have listed statements on this page that are consistent with known scientific facts. Many of them were listed in the Bible hundreds or even thousands of years before being recorded elsewhere. Many concepts and notes on this page are adapted from ideas and statements that appear in The DEFENDER’S Study Bible.[1]
Paleontology Statements Consistent With Paleontology

Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible. (Actually reading the Bible would help, though. smile ) Click this sentence to see our Dinosaurs page if you would like more information in this subject area.

Astronomy Statements Consistent With Astronomy

The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”

Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)
The Bible also says that each star is unique.

1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)
The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.

Jeremiah 31:35,36
Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.

Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.

Meteorology Statements Consistent With Meteorology

The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.

Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.


vague references... not scientifically accurate

Even if I did show you that I could walk on water
You still wouldn't believe.
You have all the evidence and more that you could study and learn but instead;
Just like Jesus said an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. But the only sign that will be given it is the one of Jonah.
The sign of Jonah was for Jesus to be in the grave for three days just like Jonah was in the belly of a fish. If take some time and look into Jonah you will find other stories of ppl who have been swallowed by whales and live to tell about it.

you walk on water, i'll believe... everything else is just fantasy, and i have never heard of anyone being swallowed by a whale and lived to talk about it

Just because mightymoe cannot recognize a fact when he sees one ? Does not make it irrelevant. Lol

One must first see past his own nose to see the world around him.

show me a FACT... all you pointed to so far is vague references...

did you turn water into wine?
did you walk on water?
did you come back from the dead, 3 days later?
can any of these "facts", as you call them, be proved?
i think not...

let me know when you can, i'll keep an eye out for it...

I second that.

If you SAY you did so or if someone writes a story about you doing so that is NOT the same as actually walking on water.

There are TALES of various people or some "gods" or "godmen" (among the thousands worshiped, feared, loved, hated, proposed by humans) walking on water (predating Christianity). The "evidence" cited is the tale itself.

Of course, NOTHING is "out of the realm of possibilities" -- and nothing is out of the realm of imagination (or folklore, legend, fable, etc).

It is POSSIBLE that one or more of the thousands of "gods" actually exist. All that is lacking is evidence, verification, substantiation (beyond unverifiable stories, opinions, testimonials).

In the absence of evidence many people choose to believe and have "faith" that the stories are true regarding their favorite "god(s)" -- while concluding that all others are false.

while i have no major problem with religion in general, i do believe it is just fantasy... but the bad in religion doesn't outweigh the good...

people killing each other over who's god is better, priests sexing children, then their higherups cover it up, the control of the people by scaring them about hell or whatever...

oh, lol, my bad sir. I totally misconstrued what you said. I'll direct the research I'm compiling to our mutual friend boaz then shall i? =D

AMEN...even science believe the existence of God, in evulotion evidence from fossils and from embrayos shows that there is a single pattern in every living creature in the planet..

Would you like to expand on that Statement?

i'm not following you here... how does god and science mix there? are you saying god started evolution, then science can take over? thats senseless, because every time they can't get grip on how something started, it has to be a god?...

just because science doesn't have all the answers doesn't mean that there has to be a god involved, just means they need to learn more, not make things up...

Hello mightymoe and everyone :-) I'm a little late to the discussion but moe, you seem intelligent yet your point about priests sexing etc to judge the religion is pretty silly, it's literally saying that man is evil cause we kill other men, yet there are men who heal each other. On the other hand, the Christians seem to give very vague quotes regarding science. Lol I won't be adding a third angle, my religion! But it's a very good debate :-)