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http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/Modern-Parenthood/2013/1107/Pledge-of-allegiance-controversy-When-a-teacher-becomes-the-bully-video
I always thought pledging an oath to an object felt like idolatry as well, never did it,, just stood quietly and respectfully,, glad to see the school decided to show respect to this child's faith,,, |
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In my opinion you can practice whatever religion you choose, but you WILL show respect to our flag. |
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In my opinion you can practice whatever religion you choose, but you WILL show respect to our flag. I just don't take objects to that level of idolatry,,, Id prefer people show respect to other AMERICANS, if they choose to also emulate a flag, make a pledge to it, or create a shrine for it that's their prerogative,,,but I don't see it as disrespect if they choose not to,,, |
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Edited by
TJN
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Fri 11/08/13 10:07 AM
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It's not idolizing an object (the flag) it's an pledge to the United States of America. You know the part where it says "and to the republic for which it stands" http://youtu.be/-6m5ZGvtGGE |
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It has nothing to do with idolizing the flag itself, it has everything to do with respecting what that "piece of cloth" means to a patriotic citizen. Much akin to the Bible and it's meaning to religious groups.
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It's not idolizing an object (the flag) it's an pledge to the United States of America. You know the part where it says "and to the republic for which it stands" http://youtu.be/-6m5ZGvtGGE hand over heart, and pledging allegiance to n object, IS IDOLIZING THE OBJECT you know the part where it says 'I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG',, whie facing a flag..lol it doesn't require a trip to dc and facing the 'republic' |
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It has nothing to do with idolizing the flag itself, it has everything to do with respecting what that "piece of cloth" means to a patriotic citizen. Much akin to the Bible and it's meaning to religious groups. patriots don't all have to cherish the flag, patriots cherish their countrymen and women,, period,,, as far as the bible, I don't feel disrespected if someone chooses not to read from it, nor do I Expect anyone, religious or not, to make a pledge to the holy book so I don't see where its akin at all,,, |
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All this g-d stuff, ie- under g-d; in g-d we trust, started in the 1940s-1950s as a blacklash against the g-dless communists.
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All this g-d stuff, ie- under g-d; in g-d we trust, started in the 1940s-1950s as a blacklash against the g-dless communists. even aside from the mention of God to me, the requirement to face an object with hand over heart and profess loyalty to IT,, is idolatry,, no different than kneeling before a Christ statue to worship it,,,, its one element of religion, worship of a deity or God, where the flag becomes the infallible and perfect thing that stands above everyone and everything else,,, |
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All this g-d stuff, ie- under g-d; in g-d we trust, started in the 1940s-1950s as a blacklash against the g-dless communists. even aside from the mention of God to me, the requirement to face an object with hand over heart and profess loyalty to IT,, is idolatry,, no different than kneeling before a Christ statue to worship it,,,, its one element of religion, worship of a deity or God, where the flag becomes the infallible and perfect thing that stands above everyone and everything else,,, Don't you think you are over reacting? No one really believes in that stuff anyway; it is ritual useful for group bonding |
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It's not idolizing an object (the flag) it's an pledge to the United States of America. You know the part where it says "and to the republic for which it stands" http://youtu.be/-6m5ZGvtGGE hand over heart, and pledging allegiance to n object, IS IDOLIZING THE OBJECT you know the part where it says 'I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG',, whie facing a flag..lol it doesn't require a trip to dc and facing the 'republic' An object can be given meaning. In the case of our flag it becomes a symbol. When you pledge allegiance to a symbol you are, in fact, pledging allegiance to the meaning behind the object, not the object itself. |
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It's not idolizing an object (the flag) it's an pledge to the United States of America. You know the part where it says "and to the republic for which it stands" http://youtu.be/-6m5ZGvtGGE hand over heart, and pledging allegiance to n object, IS IDOLIZING THE OBJECT you know the part where it says 'I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG',, whie facing a flag..lol it doesn't require a trip to dc and facing the 'republic' An object can be given meaning. In the case of our flag it becomes a symbol. When you pledge allegiance to a symbol you are, in fact, pledging allegiance to the meaning behind the object, not the object itself. She conveniently left out the part "AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS" To make her point of seeing the flag as an idol. allegiance [əˈliːdʒəns] n 1. loyalty, as of a subject to his sovereign or of a citizen to his country |
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Edited by
Peccy
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Fri 11/08/13 11:05 AM
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It has nothing to do with idolizing the flag itself, it has everything to do with respecting what that "piece of cloth" means to a patriotic citizen. Much akin to the Bible and it's meaning to religious groups. patriots don't all have to cherish the flag, patriots cherish their countrymen and women,, period,,, as far as the bible, I don't feel disrespected if someone chooses not to read from it, nor do I Expect anyone, religious or not, to make a pledge to the holy book so I don't see where its akin at all,,, noun \ˈpā-trē-ət, -ˌät, chiefly British ˈpa-trē-ət\ : a person who loves and strongly supports or fights for his or her country As for the bible, do you feel disrespected if someone, oh I don't know, burns it? |
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It's not idolizing an object (the flag) it's an pledge to the United States of America. You know the part where it says "and to the republic for which it stands" http://youtu.be/-6m5ZGvtGGE 
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It has nothing to do with idolizing the flag itself, it has everything to do with respecting what that "piece of cloth" means to a patriotic citizen. Much akin to the Bible and it's meaning to religious groups.
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So if the American flag represents nothing but idolatry, what does the flag on my chest represent? |
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So if the American flag represents nothing but idolatry, what does the flag on my chest represent? |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Fri 11/08/13 12:19 PM
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So if the American flag represents nothing but idolatry, what does the flag on my chest represent? Because it looks like the Confederate battle flag ... ... slavery ... racial discrimination ... Need I say more? |
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So if the American flag represents nothing but idolatry, what does the flag on my chest represent? Because it looks like the Confederate battle flag ... ... slavery ... racial discrimination ... Need I say more? I don't care what you think, this is for someone else. |
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So if the American flag represents nothing but idolatry, what does the flag on my chest represent? Because it looks like the Confederate battle flag ... ... slavery ... racial discrimination ... Need I say more? I don't care what you think, this is for someone else. This is a public forum. Anyone can answer a question posted in a public forum. |
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