Topic: Tax payers chip in on Meeshells birthday present
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Sat 01/11/14 02:26 PM




and its STILL TRUE,, that self employed, INCLUDING SOLE PROPRIETORS

are able to manage their time and money to take vacations, if they have planned ahead,,,


Someday reality will shine through...... maybe

But first you must live in it

I'm reading, there's no real life managerial experience, sort of like oButtma.

I am reading,"When I grow up, I wannabe."


lol,,

Im reading 'no one can give a logical rebuttal to the FACT That self employed take vacations'


laugh laugh laugh


If that is what you would like to believe, this is somewhat a free country, so go right ahead. But it sure looks like those that have been there disagree with you. Your argument is based on hearsay of others while most are arguing personal experiences. Now which should I believe?

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Sat 01/11/14 02:52 PM






independent contractors are self employed,,,they can work with a set company who pays them for their time, or they can work with several different companies that pay them for that time

but they are still self employed,, whether one is working as a self employed independent contractor or an employee with a business depends upon many different things,,,


http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Independent-Contractor-Defined



Oh boy, the IRS and .gov in the same reference. I'm dropping to my knees and bowing in reverence to the almighty source.

And do you have any knowledge of Title 26 at all? Absolutely not.



so, yeah, I can read, so I can learn and research and cut and paste whatever one wished to see in these forums about Title 26,,,THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE,, which IM sure has nothing to do with the IRS or a discussion about business and employee definitions,,btw...lol


but ANYWAY,,,,,, what does knowledge of title 26 have to do AT ALL With whether self employed or sole proprietors take vacations ?...lol



So you quote from that which you have no knowledge and readily admit it by asking what it has to do with anything.

And it has everything to do with proprietors and self-employed as that is where those categories are defined if you want to use irs.gov as a source. The big difference being irs.gov is for those that do not wish to know but be led. Maybe that would be why you are a taxpayer and I'm not. Good ole Title 26.

So now for the relevance to the topic, a 1099 contractor working for a set company is not self-employed in almost 90% of the instances. Also, it has no relevancy to those that are self employed and have to depend on themselves for their lively hood.

For your own good, I would seriously advise that you find a "JOB".


I actually REFERENCED the definition of self employed, by the IRS,. which USES THE TAX CODE

not to mention some things are common sense,, put quite simply, if you make an income but you are not the employee of someone else,, you are SELF EMPLOYED



Title 26 does not define what self employed is even,,,not that these tangents about semantics and interpretations of select terms is relevant to whether the self employed take vacations

for your own good, I Would advise seriously that you quit Assuming what others know just because they READ or copy and paste actual definitions

lol


So by your definition, if someone receives a welfare check, they aren't an employee someone else and that would make them "self employed".

So if Title 26 does not define "self employed", how can you use that as the basis of your argument for "self employed" taking vacations? And if that be the case, how do you account for Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 2, Section 1402? How would I know if I had to pay those taxes so I would have the funds to take a vacation?

But what I really like about Title 26 is Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14. How many wrong conclusions are caused by that litte Item are astounding.

willing2's photo
Sat 01/11/14 02:54 PM
I have every right to live in my Mamas house for free while my kids support me.
As long as they work and go to school I can get theirs and my Medicaid for free.
My 4 kids also get me near 600.00 a month food stamps.
If, I needed mo money I'd just sell credits of my card.

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Sat 01/11/14 03:02 PM





and its STILL TRUE,, that self employed, INCLUDING SOLE PROPRIETORS

are able to manage their time and money to take vacations, if they have planned ahead,,,


Someday reality will shine through...... maybe

But first you must live in it

I'm reading, there's no real life managerial experience, sort of like oButtma.

I am reading,"When I grow up, I wannabe."


lol,,

Im reading 'no one can give a logical rebuttal to the FACT That self employed take vacations'


laugh laugh laugh


If that is what you would like to believe, this is somewhat a free country, so go right ahead. But it sure looks like those that have been there disagree with you. Your argument is based on hearsay of others while most are arguing personal experiences. Now which should I believe?


oh please, as if those who haven't 'experienced' something first hand should be eliminated from having any knowledge or relevant opinion about the situation

if that were true, why on earth would the ever so proud and hard working people who would 'never' accept government assistance post so many opinions about that issue or those who do accept it,,,,

believe the logical and rational, that those posting may not have had the wherewithal to take vacations in their employment situation,, but they represent two or three out of hundreds of thousands,,many of whom DO , and CAN take vacations,,,,lol


rationale allows us to have opinions and find out about those things we may not personally experience,,


like how, although I have never been a male, I can logically recognize the BS of males who lump all males together by their personal experience,,,


self employed can and do take vacations is the assertion that is being so inadequately rebutted in this thread,,,



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Sat 01/11/14 03:09 PM







independent contractors are self employed,,,they can work with a set company who pays them for their time, or they can work with several different companies that pay them for that time

but they are still self employed,, whether one is working as a self employed independent contractor or an employee with a business depends upon many different things,,,


http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Independent-Contractor-Defined



Oh boy, the IRS and .gov in the same reference. I'm dropping to my knees and bowing in reverence to the almighty source.

And do you have any knowledge of Title 26 at all? Absolutely not.



so, yeah, I can read, so I can learn and research and cut and paste whatever one wished to see in these forums about Title 26,,,THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE,, which IM sure has nothing to do with the IRS or a discussion about business and employee definitions,,btw...lol


but ANYWAY,,,,,, what does knowledge of title 26 have to do AT ALL With whether self employed or sole proprietors take vacations ?...lol



So you quote from that which you have no knowledge and readily admit it by asking what it has to do with anything.

And it has everything to do with proprietors and self-employed as that is where those categories are defined if you want to use irs.gov as a source. The big difference being irs.gov is for those that do not wish to know but be led. Maybe that would be why you are a taxpayer and I'm not. Good ole Title 26.

So now for the relevance to the topic, a 1099 contractor working for a set company is not self-employed in almost 90% of the instances. Also, it has no relevancy to those that are self employed and have to depend on themselves for their lively hood.

For your own good, I would seriously advise that you find a "JOB".


I actually REFERENCED the definition of self employed, by the IRS,. which USES THE TAX CODE

not to mention some things are common sense,, put quite simply, if you make an income but you are not the employee of someone else,, you are SELF EMPLOYED



Title 26 does not define what self employed is even,,,not that these tangents about semantics and interpretations of select terms is relevant to whether the self employed take vacations

for your own good, I Would advise seriously that you quit Assuming what others know just because they READ or copy and paste actual definitions

lol


So by your definition, if someone receives a welfare check, they aren't an employee someone else and that would make them "self employed".

So if Title 26 does not define "self employed", how can you use that as the basis of your argument for "self employed" taking vacations? And if that be the case, how do you account for Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 2, Section 1402? How would I know if I had to pay those taxes so I would have the funds to take a vacation?

But what I really like about Title 26 is Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14. How many wrong conclusions are caused by that litte Item are astounding.



talk about running in circles,,,whoa whoa

its not MY definition, its the definition of the IRS , the only real entity for whom an employment TYPE is relevant or necessary,,,

and , if we are splitting semantics, what I said was if you are 'making' an income,, perhaps for the more pedantic, I should say if you have an 'earned income', which such things as inheritances, child support, welfare, etc are not considered to be

Im not using Title 26 as a basis for anything, in fact, that was the point of me asking why it was relevant to anything I posted,,,regarding SELF EMPLOYED TAKE VACATIONS

all the references to US CODE IN the world wont be able to rebut that the SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations,,




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Sat 01/11/14 03:11 PM
Edited by TJN on Sat 01/11/14 03:12 PM
Personally I don't think a president should take any vacations. What they "work" for 4 years possibly 8. Then they don't have to work a day in their lives again. The rest of their life is a vacation.


msharmony's photo
Sat 01/11/14 03:12 PM

I have every right to live in my Mamas house for free while my kids support me.
As long as they work and go to school I can get theirs and my Medicaid for free.
My 4 kids also get me near 600.00 a month food stamps.
If, I needed mo money I'd just sell credits of my card.


good luck not being busted for FRAUD,,,,

welfare assistance requires disclosure of all income in the home,, parents and children,,,Medicaid is based upon review of the TOTAL income of the household and the ages of the children

providing false information is FRAUD And when discovered can be FEDERALY PROSECUTED,,,,,

like I said though, people can and do make assumptions and draw conclusions about things they allegedly have 'no experience' with

msharmony's photo
Sat 01/11/14 03:14 PM

Personally I don't think a president should take any vacations. What they "work" for 4 years possibly 8. Then they don't have to work a day in their lives again. The rest of their life is a vacation.




psychologically , people need time to rejuvenate, certainly more than once every four to eight years

such a proposal leads to exhaustion of the mental, emotional and physical type, not to mention it ignores the significance of family and family time together,,,



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Sat 01/11/14 03:15 PM

Personally I don't think a president should take any vacations. What they "work" for 4 years possibly 8. Then they don't have to work a day in their lives again. The rest of their life is a vacation.



Try telling that to idiots who live and vote for freebies.

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Sat 01/11/14 03:19 PM


Personally I don't think a president should take any vacations. What they "work" for 4 years possibly 8. Then they don't have to work a day in their lives again. The rest of their life is a vacation.




psychologically , people need time to rejuvenate, certainly more than once every four to eight years

such a proposal leads to exhaustion of the mental, emotional and physical type, not to mention it ignores the significance of family and family time together,,,




They could take stay cations.
They will have enough time to travel wherever they want after their term is up.

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Sat 01/11/14 03:40 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 01/11/14 03:41 PM



Personally I don't think a president should take any vacations. What they "work" for 4 years possibly 8. Then they don't have to work a day in their lives again. The rest of their life is a vacation.




psychologically , people need time to rejuvenate, certainly more than once every four to eight years

such a proposal leads to exhaustion of the mental, emotional and physical type, not to mention it ignores the significance of family and family time together,,,




They could take stay cations.
They will have enough time to travel wherever they want after their term is up.


they don't have to wait to be out of office to take vacations or spend time away with family

that's preposterous,,,,,thats penalizing their family in return for the sacrifice they make to take the responsibility of that offie,,,


would we stop entertainers from taking vacations because they will make enough in a short time to vacation 'after their' career is up?

would we stop military from taking vacaions because after their 25 years f service they can take as much vacation as they want?

how many americans keep jobs for eight years or less,, should they all be denied vacations during those jobs because we assume they can take them after?



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Sat 01/11/14 03:51 PM

I have every right to live in my Mamas house for free while my kids support me.
As long as they work and go to school I can get theirs and my Medicaid for free.
My 4 kids also get me near 600.00 a month food stamps.
If, I needed mo money I'd just sell credits of my card.


Hey, that doesn't look like an Odumbo phone.

willing2's photo
Sat 01/11/14 03:55 PM


I have every right to live in my Mamas house for free while my kids support me.
As long as they work and go to school I can get theirs and my Medicaid for free.
My 4 kids also get me near 600.00 a month food stamps.
If, I needed mo money I'd just sell credits of my card.


good luck not being busted for FRAUD,,,,

welfare assistance requires disclosure of all income in the home,, parents and children,,,Medicaid is based upon review of the TOTAL income of the household and the ages of the children

providing false information is FRAUD And when discovered can be FEDERALY PROSECUTED,,,,,

like I said though, people can and do make assumptions and draw conclusions about things they allegedly have 'no experience' with

It's really too bad cases aren't investigated.
If they were, the necessary voter base would be compromised.

I'd have to get a job.

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Sat 01/11/14 03:58 PM








independent contractors are self employed,,,they can work with a set company who pays them for their time, or they can work with several different companies that pay them for that time

but they are still self employed,, whether one is working as a self employed independent contractor or an employee with a business depends upon many different things,,,


http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Independent-Contractor-Defined



Oh boy, the IRS and .gov in the same reference. I'm dropping to my knees and bowing in reverence to the almighty source.

And do you have any knowledge of Title 26 at all? Absolutely not.



so, yeah, I can read, so I can learn and research and cut and paste whatever one wished to see in these forums about Title 26,,,THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE,, which IM sure has nothing to do with the IRS or a discussion about business and employee definitions,,btw...lol


but ANYWAY,,,,,, what does knowledge of title 26 have to do AT ALL With whether self employed or sole proprietors take vacations ?...lol



So you quote from that which you have no knowledge and readily admit it by asking what it has to do with anything.

And it has everything to do with proprietors and self-employed as that is where those categories are defined if you want to use irs.gov as a source. The big difference being irs.gov is for those that do not wish to know but be led. Maybe that would be why you are a taxpayer and I'm not. Good ole Title 26.

So now for the relevance to the topic, a 1099 contractor working for a set company is not self-employed in almost 90% of the instances. Also, it has no relevancy to those that are self employed and have to depend on themselves for their lively hood.

For your own good, I would seriously advise that you find a "JOB".


I actually REFERENCED the definition of self employed, by the IRS,. which USES THE TAX CODE

not to mention some things are common sense,, put quite simply, if you make an income but you are not the employee of someone else,, you are SELF EMPLOYED



Title 26 does not define what self employed is even,,,not that these tangents about semantics and interpretations of select terms is relevant to whether the self employed take vacations

for your own good, I Would advise seriously that you quit Assuming what others know just because they READ or copy and paste actual definitions

lol


So by your definition, if someone receives a welfare check, they aren't an employee someone else and that would make them "self employed".

So if Title 26 does not define "self employed", how can you use that as the basis of your argument for "self employed" taking vacations? And if that be the case, how do you account for Title 26, Subtitle A, Chapter 2, Section 1402? How would I know if I had to pay those taxes so I would have the funds to take a vacation?

But what I really like about Title 26 is Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14. How many wrong conclusions are caused by that litte Item are astounding.



talk about running in circles,,,whoa whoa

its not MY definition, its the definition of the IRS , the only real entity for whom an employment TYPE is relevant or necessary,,,

and , if we are splitting semantics, what I said was if you are 'making' an income,, perhaps for the more pedantic, I should say if you have an 'earned income', which such things as inheritances, child support, welfare, etc are not considered to be

Im not using Title 26 as a basis for anything, in fact, that was the point of me asking why it was relevant to anything I posted,,,regarding SELF EMPLOYED TAKE VACATIONS

all the references to US CODE IN the world wont be able to rebut that the SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations,,



So if you can't define "self-employed" and the IRS doesn't even attempt to, so your reference there is invalid, then how can you say they take vacations.

Is this a Hope and Change type deal?

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Sat 01/11/14 04:04 PM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE

the IRS Site does explain what self employed is

and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,,

manage to take vacations,,,



msharmony's photo
Sat 01/11/14 04:07 PM



I have every right to live in my Mamas house for free while my kids support me.
As long as they work and go to school I can get theirs and my Medicaid for free.
My 4 kids also get me near 600.00 a month food stamps.
If, I needed mo money I'd just sell credits of my card.


good luck not being busted for FRAUD,,,,

welfare assistance requires disclosure of all income in the home,, parents and children,,,Medicaid is based upon review of the TOTAL income of the household and the ages of the children

providing false information is FRAUD And when discovered can be FEDERALY PROSECUTED,,,,,

like I said though, people can and do make assumptions and draw conclusions about things they allegedly have 'no experience' with

It's really too bad cases aren't investigated.
If they were, the necessary voter base would be compromised.

I'd have to get a job.


its really too bad people make so many assumptions and take comfort in belittling others when they are down

its too bad more of them that do that sort of thing don't have everything take from them , including their connections and , just get dropped into some random economically oppressed community,,,,


see how long their stand against government assistance would last then...lol

willing2's photo
Sat 01/11/14 04:16 PM
I'm taking la Vida real.

OButma and congress depends on folks who fraud to live.

I am within my rights yo screw the taxpayer.

oButma and Holder will look after their people.

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Sat 01/11/14 05:21 PM

GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE

the IRS Site does explain what self employed is

and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,,

manage to take vacations,,,



You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url]

I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS.

So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed?

Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual.

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Sat 01/11/14 09:18 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 01/11/14 09:21 PM


GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE

the IRS Site does explain what self employed is

and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,,

manage to take vacations,,,



You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual.



I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status?



Who is the confusing one?

for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations

now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH
ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,)

DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS

then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic


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Sat 01/11/14 09:35 PM


Sounds nice. Wish I had a place like Oprah's.

It's hard to get upset about the costs you quote, anymore. Nobody ever seemed to get upset about the cost of presidential travel until we got a black Democrat in the White House. I don't know why you think not letting the President have any time off, or ever play a round a golf is good for anybody. We should have better things to talk about.


Well then Mortimer, why don't you give us better things to talk about. like how well that Obamacare or ACA, as you call it, is working? In the past you were telling of how great and wonderful it was going to be. How's that working out now?


really

15 days? the first couple should have better things to do and finance their own vacations