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alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 05:02 AM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE the IRS Site does explain what self employed is and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,, manage to take vacations,,, You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual. I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status? Who is the confusing one? for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,) DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic So you finally admit you haven't a clue, thank you.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sun 01/12/14 08:31 AM
Welfare has a clause that two families can be in the same house. All they ask is if they keep separate food preparation. Also, welfare asks for a utility bill in the name of the applicant. One recipient could have their name on the power bill and another have their name on the water bill. oButtmacare says (kids) up to 26 can be used as money in da bank. WTF is a 26 year old doing living with Mama, living with granny?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sun 01/12/14 09:03 AM
Welfare has a clause that two families can be in the same house. All they ask is if they keep separate food preparation. Also, welfare asks for a utility bill in the name of the applicant. One recipient could have their name on the power bill and another have their name on the water bill. oButtmacare says (kids) up to 26 can be used as money in da bank. WTF is a 26 year old doing living with Mama, living with granny? we are actually one of the few cultures in this country that does not keep multigenerational households. And even here that is a relatively recent phenomenon evolved from a wealthy society post WW2. Before that many American households were multigenerational. There is nothing wrong with a 26 y/o living at home if there is a reason for it. (school, caring for an elder), but not to freeload. That would be reprehensible certainly. Maybe if we start to see more multigeneration families it is an indicator of the economic times where it is harder and harder for young people to buy their own homes. I know I wanted to leave home and live on my own, and I did 2 weeks after HS graduation.....lol. And my husband at the time and I had a home before we were 23. but those were different economic times.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 09:29 AM
Welfare has a clause that two families can be in the same house. All they ask is if they keep separate food preparation. Also, welfare asks for a utility bill in the name of the applicant. One recipient could have their name on the power bill and another have their name on the water bill. oButtmacare says (kids) up to 26 can be used as money in da bank. WTF is a 26 year old doing living with Mama, living with granny? we are actually one of the few cultures in this country that does not keep multigenerational households. And even here that is a relatively recent phenomenon evolved from a wealthy society post WW2. Before that many American households were multigenerational. There is nothing wrong with a 26 y/o living at home if there is a reason for it. (school, caring for an elder), but not to freeload. That would be reprehensible certainly. Maybe if we start to see more multigeneration families it is an indicator of the economic times where it is harder and harder for young people to buy their own homes. I know I wanted to leave home and live on my own, and I did 2 weeks after HS graduation.....lol. And my husband at the time and I had a home before we were 23. but those were different economic times. Yeah, but the old axiom; where there is a will there is a way; went that way>>>.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 01/12/14 10:16 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/2/ Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book and I bet 2013 wasn't any different!

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Sun 01/12/14 10:23 AM
By Malia Zimmerman Published January 08, 2014 watchdog.org President Obama and daughters Sasha and Malia left Oahu after 15-day holiday vacation in a beachfront luxury home in Kailua, Oahu. They also left a pretty big bill. The Obamas’ vacation cost taxpayers more than $4 million for travel, staffing, security, housing, car rentals and transportation of vehicles and a helicopter. But the expenses continue. First lady Michelle Obama extended her own vacation, flying to the island of Maui, where she is spending time with family friend Oprah Winfrey. Winfrey’s magazine describes the home as a “perfect 21st-century farmhouse” in a “remote up-country region, where the houses that dot the moss-covered rock hillside face the ocean.” The president said he sent his wife to Maui as an early birthday present; she turns 50 Jan. 17.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 10:26 AM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE the IRS Site does explain what self employed is and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,, manage to take vacations,,, You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual. I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status? Who is the confusing one? for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,) DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic So you finally admit you haven't a clue, thank you. yeah,, keep telling yourself that Einstein in the meantime , by ANY DFINITION,, the self employed take vacations,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 10:29 AM
Welfare has a clause that two families can be in the same house. All they ask is if they keep separate food preparation. Also, welfare asks for a utility bill in the name of the applicant. One recipient could have their name on the power bill and another have their name on the water bill. oButtmacare says (kids) up to 26 can be used as money in da bank. WTF is a 26 year old doing living with Mama, living with granny? for FS they can keep separate food for financial aid (tanf) their food is not taken into acct, as it is covered in FS insurance can now be kept by parents, its not a 'money in the bank' , its healthcare coverage ,, it can only go towards those occasions when someone needs medical help,,, and what is a 26 year old doing at home? going to school, going to work, and anything they can do living anyplace else except in an environment with people they love who love them,,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 10:35 AM Edited by alnewman on Sun 01/12/14 10:35 AM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE the IRS Site does explain what self employed is and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,, manage to take vacations,,, You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual. I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status? Who is the confusing one? for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,) DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic So you finally admit you haven't a clue, thank you. yeah,, keep telling yourself that Einstein in the meantime , by ANY DFINITION,, the self employed take vacations,,, Don't have to tell myself at all, you do so quite eloquently. But I would guess that by your analogy, mice can fly if called a bird.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 10:35 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/2/ Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book and I bet 2013 wasn't any different! hah,, if someone wrote a book about it,, it must be true,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 10:38 AM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE the IRS Site does explain what self employed is and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,, manage to take vacations,,, You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual. I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status? Who is the confusing one? for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,) DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic So you finally admit you haven't a clue, thank you. yeah,, keep telling yourself that Einstein in the meantime , by ANY DFINITION,, the self employed take vacations,,, Don't have to tell myself at all, you do so quite eloquently. But I would guess that by your analogy, mice can fly if called a bird. problem with that analogy is that people are people, whatever they are called and whatever ones economic status, people can take a vacation by managing their time and money perhaps it was premature making a comparison to Einstein,,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 10:39 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/2/ Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book and I bet 2013 wasn't any different! hah,, if someone wrote a book about it,, it must be true,, Really, would that be like someone undefined being self employed taking a vacation?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 10:45 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/2/ Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book and I bet 2013 wasn't any different! hah,, if someone wrote a book about it,, it must be true,, Really, would that be like someone undefined being self employed taking a vacation? and what in the determination of self employed forbids a person from taking vacations? is there even going to be a definition given or is the whole debate going to be about the semantics with no substance to apply it to? as I Said, I have given four examples of PEOPLE I KNOW, they are 'self employed' in that they do not get their main income from any type of investment or employer and they all take vacations a hairdresser a photographer a doctor a yoga instructor now, unless one can show where they are NOT self employed,, this is reminding me of a conversation with a child arguing for arguments sake when there really is no argument,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 11:03 AM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE the IRS Site does explain what self employed is and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,, manage to take vacations,,, You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual. I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status? Who is the confusing one? for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,) DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic So you finally admit you haven't a clue, thank you. yeah,, keep telling yourself that Einstein in the meantime , by ANY DFINITION,, the self employed take vacations,,, Don't have to tell myself at all, you do so quite eloquently. But I would guess that by your analogy, mice can fly if called a bird. problem with that analogy is that people are people, whatever they are called and whatever ones economic status, people can take a vacation by managing their time and money perhaps it was premature making a comparison to Einstein,,, Which analogy, that definitions don't mean anything? That someone could be something they aren't because it doesn't have to be defined. But what is really funny is using the IRS to define self employed when their only concern is that someone paid the Social Security and Medicare taxes. So now that it has been determined that you haven't a clue on self employed, let's move on. Can you define vacation? Is it when Odumbo and the Odumbo family go to destinations most can't afford but get to contribute for the Odumbo family to enjoy. How about those barely existing, is it a vacation to go out to eat in the dumpster in a different neighborhood? Or would it be the average Joe and Jane barely making ends meet, that gets some time off but can't afford to go anywhere, is that a vacation or just time to contemplate how unfair life is? Or is it the small business person that works 12 to 16 hour days, six to seven days a week so those that work for them can have time off, is that a vacation?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 11:15 AM
GOOD GOD< STOP THE FEIGNED IGNORANCE the IRS Site does explain what self employed is and people who wORK For themselves,, whether some pedantic wants to debate their INCOME REVENUE status or not,, manage to take vacations,,, You mean if I go here: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Self-Employed-Individuals-Tax-Center{/url] I mean nowhere does it define where in the law they get that definition. Pretty much like Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701, Item 14 defines taxpayer as "The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any internal revenue tax." Now I have discovered that doesn't apply to me by asking the IRS. So now Title 26 only defines net earnings from self-employment but doesn't define to whom that would apply. So are you saying you are smarter than the whole of the IRS and know who is self employed? Otherwise how can you say they take vacations? You are a most confusing individual. I thought we weren't using irs websites? now its gone from my original assertion about the SELF EMPLOYED, to some irrelevant questions and contributions about the US Code and sole proprietors, to an irs website and someones personal experience with their taxpayer status? Who is the confusing one? for clarity, what I Said was that SELF EMPLOYED Take vacations now unless someone has information that self employed,,( by WH ICHEVER definition from WHATEVER official source one chooses,,,) DO NOT TAKE VACATIONS then this discussion has gone well past ridiculous into the distractingly irrelevant and pedantic So you finally admit you haven't a clue, thank you. yeah,, keep telling yourself that Einstein in the meantime , by ANY DFINITION,, the self employed take vacations,,, Don't have to tell myself at all, you do so quite eloquently. But I would guess that by your analogy, mice can fly if called a bird. problem with that analogy is that people are people, whatever they are called and whatever ones economic status, people can take a vacation by managing their time and money perhaps it was premature making a comparison to Einstein,,, Which analogy, that definitions don't mean anything? That someone could be something they aren't because it doesn't have to be defined. But what is really funny is using the IRS to define self employed when their only concern is that someone paid the Social Security and Medicare taxes. So now that it has been determined that you haven't a clue on self employed, let's move on. Can you define vacation? Is it when Odumbo and the Odumbo family go to destinations most can't afford but get to contribute for the Odumbo family to enjoy. How about those barely existing, is it a vacation to go out to eat in the dumpster in a different neighborhood? Or would it be the average Joe and Jane barely making ends meet, that gets some time off but can't afford to go anywhere, is that a vacation or just time to contemplate how unfair life is? Or is it the small business person that works 12 to 16 hour days, six to seven days a week so those that work for them can have time off, is that a vacation? LOOK!,, OVER THERE! Its a distraction,, to answer the usual irrelevant questions and address the silly distractions The Internal Revenue Service (I.R.S.) is the agency that collects tax revenue for the United States federal government,, I imagine federal INCOME TAX is considered federal revenue,, but what do I know,,lol vacation: an extended period of recreation, esp. one spent away from home or in traveling like, my doctor relative who went on an African vacation to Ghana for a month or like, my yoga instructor relative who just took a tromp through Europe for a month or like, my hairdresser relative who takes regular trips to her home Georgia and to visit relatives in other states or like, my photographer relative who is in the process of planning a 'working' vacation in Egypt ,,,people who can manage their time and money,, particularly at certain income brackets, can and do take vacations,,,,,even if one wants to debate that they are somehow not self employed'

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 11:33 AM Edited by alnewman on Sun 01/12/14 11:36 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/2/ Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book and I bet 2013 wasn't any different! hah,, if someone wrote a book about it,, it must be true,, Really, would that be like someone undefined being self employed taking a vacation? and what in the determination of self employed forbids a person from taking vacations? is there even going to be a definition given or is the whole debate going to be about the semantics with no substance to apply it to? as I Said, I have given four examples of PEOPLE I KNOW, they are 'self employed' in that they do not get their main income from any type of investment or employer and they all take vacations a hairdresser a photographer a doctor a yoga instructor now, unless one can show where they are NOT self employed,, this is reminding me of a conversation with a child arguing for arguments sake when there really is no argument,, So there you are again trying to declare someone self employed when you can't define self employed, so whether they take vacations or not is not relevant. I mean you could use this, http://www.ask.com/question/what-does-self-employed-mean, but then that is just someone's opinion that is refuted by another. Or then there is yahoo, http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100602111856AAdtAXl, but just more of the same, conjecture. And then, there is a self proclaimed dictionary, http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/self-employed.html, that provides parameters. So perhaps we need to look at the root: EMPLOY. To engage in one's service; to use as an agent or substitute in transacting business; to commission and intrust with the management of one's affairs; and, when used in respect to a servant or hired laborer, the term is equivalent to hiring, which implies a request and a contract for a compensation, and has but this one meaning when used in the ordinary affairs and business of life. Tennessee Coal, Iron & R. Co. v. Muscoda Local No. 123, Ala., 64 S.Ct. 698, 703, 705, 321 U.S. 590, 88 L.Ed. 949; Slocum Straw Works v. Industrial Commission, 232 Wis. 71, 286 N.W. 593, 598; It is a synonym of "appoint". Morris v. Parks, 145 Or. 481, 28 P.2d 215, 216; Board of Com'rs of Colfax County v. Department of Public Health, 44 N.M. 189, 100 P.2d 222, 223, It is also synonymous with "hire." Nat. Wooden Box ***'n v. U. S., Ct.C1., 103 Ct.C1. 595, 59 F.Supp. 118, 119. EMPLOYED. This signifies both the act of doing a thing and the being under contract or orders to do it. To give employment to; to have employment. State v. Birmingham Beauty Shop, Ala., 198 So. 435, 436. Black's Law Dictionary, Revised 4th Edition, 1968. So how the heck do you "appoint" or "hire" yourself.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 11:43 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/2/ Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book and I bet 2013 wasn't any different! hah,, if someone wrote a book about it,, it must be true,, Really, would that be like someone undefined being self employed taking a vacation? and what in the determination of self employed forbids a person from taking vacations? is there even going to be a definition given or is the whole debate going to be about the semantics with no substance to apply it to? as I Said, I have given four examples of PEOPLE I KNOW, they are 'self employed' in that they do not get their main income from any type of investment or employer and they all take vacations a hairdresser a photographer a doctor a yoga instructor now, unless one can show where they are NOT self employed,, this is reminding me of a conversation with a child arguing for arguments sake when there really is no argument,, So there you are again trying to declare someone self employed when you can't define self employed, so whether they take vacations or not is not relevant. I mean you could use this, http://www.ask.com/question/what-does-self-employed-mean, but then that is just someone's opinion that is refuted by another. Or then there is yahoo, http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100602111856AAdtAXl, but just more of the same, conjecture. And then, there is a self proclaimed dictionary, http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/self-employed.html, that provides parameters. So perhaps we need to look at the root: EMPLOY. To engage in one's service; to use as an agent or substitute in transacting business; to commission and intrust with the management of one's affairs; and, when used in respect to a servant or hired laborer, the term is equivalent to hiring, which implies a request and a contract for a compensation, and has but this one meaning when used in the ordinary affairs and business of life. Tennessee Coal, Iron & R. Co. v. Muscoda Local No. 123, Ala., 64 S.Ct. 698, 703, 705, 321 U.S. 590, 88 L.Ed. 949; Slocum Straw Works v. Industrial Commission, 232 Wis. 71, 286 N.W. 593, 598; It is a synonym of "appoint". Morris v. Parks, 145 Or. 481, 28 P.2d 215, 216; Board of Com'rs of Colfax County v. Department of Public Health, 44 N.M. 189, 100 P.2d 222, 223, It is also synonymous with "hire." Nat. Wooden Box ***'n v. U. S., Ct.C1., 103 Ct.C1. 595, 59 F.Supp. 118, 119. EMPLOYED. This signifies both the act of doing a thing and the being under contract or orders to do it. To give employment to; to have employment. State v. Birmingham Beauty Shop, Ala., 198 So. 435, 436. Black's Law Dictionary, Revised 4th Edition, 1968. So how the heck do you "appoint" or "hire" yourself. really? so is your argument that no one can be 'self employed'? haaa ok, in that case the whole argument about whether self employed take vacations is irrelevant

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 02:43 PM
really? so is your argument that no one can be 'self employed'? haaa ok, in that case the whole argument about whether self employed take vacations is irrelevant No, my argument is that your insistence you knew what self employed was when in actuality it is but a misnomer made your conclusion totally mute. And finally you come to the correct conclusion, your argument was irrelevant and unjustified.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/12/14 02:57 PM
really? so is your argument that no one can be 'self employed'? haaa ok, in that case the whole argument about whether self employed take vacations is irrelevant No, my argument is that your insistence you knew what self employed was when in actuality it is but a misnomer made your conclusion totally mute. And finally you come to the correct conclusion, your argument was irrelevant and unjustified. your argument is a non argument actually I made a statement about self employed that was met wit an allegation that I Didn't understand what self employed was I supplied the DEFINITION from the IRS of what is considered self employd and I was met with an allegation that the IRS is not a relevant or reliable source I gave examples of four people, considering themselves self employed and defined as such by the IRS and I was met with some pedantic nonsense about specific sections of the US code lol my argument is not mute, its just being distracted from by some inane requirement to provide a definition of self employed that others will agree is sufficient enough for THEIR personal perception,,, my argument , that self employed take vacations, is yet to be proven untrue,,, and still stands unless someone more 'enlightened' about what 'self employed' means can provide the definition for us that will prove once and for all that my argument is false,,,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 01/12/14 04:21 PM
really? so is your argument that no one can be 'self employed'? haaa ok, in that case the whole argument about whether self employed take vacations is irrelevant No, my argument is that your insistence you knew what self employed was when in actuality it is but a misnomer made your conclusion totally mute. And finally you come to the correct conclusion, your argument was irrelevant and unjustified. your argument is a non argument actually I made a statement about self employed that was met wit an allegation that I Didn't understand what self employed was I supplied the DEFINITION from the IRS of what is considered self employd and I was met with an allegation that the IRS is not a relevant or reliable source I gave examples of four people, considering themselves self employed and defined as such by the IRS and I was met with some pedantic nonsense about specific sections of the US code lol my argument is not mute, its just being distracted from by some inane requirement to provide a definition of self employed that others will agree is sufficient enough for THEIR personal perception,,, my argument , that self employed take vacations, is yet to be proven untrue,,, and still stands unless someone more 'enlightened' about what 'self employed' means can provide the definition for us that will prove once and for all that my argument is false,,,, Get a grip.