I'm sorry, were you there? Is there some definitive proof of something falling on it? Do you have photos?

Is that saying you haven't a clue or what exactly does it imply?

actually it's desperation with the Troofers!

actually there are plenty Pictures of the damage of WTC7!
Go look for them!
I am tired going through the same Crap again and again!

35 Reasons for Many Small Fission Nukes at the WTC

1) heat generation at ground zero for six months (china syndrome)
2) inability to quench ground zero heat with water
3) red hot/molten steel at ground zero
4) missing core columns from ground zero (vaporized during destruction)
5) spreading of sand at ground zero consistent with attempts to limit radiation
6) washing of steel recovered from pile consistent with radiation decontamination
7) extreme security for ground zero steel shipments consistent with limiting access to radioactive steel
8) extreme security at ground zero, limiting exposure, view of devastation
9) extreme pulverization of WTC concrete into very fine particles
10) disappearance of over one thousand human bodies from WTC debris
11) disappearance of furniture, phones, filing cabinets and computers from WTC debris
12) disappearance of elevator doors, office doors, office cubicle walls, toilets and sinks from WTC debris
13) several floor fragments fused together in “meteorite” object
14) bone fragments sprayed into Bankers Trust upper floor during destruction
15) multiple blast waves during destruction of tower
16) large fireballs during initiation of WTC1 destruction
17) small backpack-sized fission nukes exist
18) fission-nuke technology well-established
19) low efficiency of fission nukes ensures leftover radioactive fragments and China syndrome
20) EMP formation during tower destruction (exploding cars, partial burning)
21) Description of heat in WTC blast cloud
22) Extensive cover-up of ground zero air by EPA
23) High rate of cancers, including thyroid cancer typically associated with radiation exposure, in ground zero responders
24) Melted, hanging skin in WTC survivor Felipe David in absence of fire
25) Vaporized press and crumpled steel door in WTC basement reported by Pecoraro
26) Steel beam bent in U, without cracking, evidence of extreme high temps
27) Steel beam bent in U has layer of molten metal on surface
28) Extreme overall devastation of two massive towers and blasted out Ground Zero aftermath
29) Appearance of fantastical, nonsensical DEW theory by likely govt agents-- uses evidence of nukes (EMP, extreme pulverization of tower into dust) but denies nukes at all costs
30) Appearance of fantastical, nonsensical thermite (super nano-thermite) theory by likely govt agents-- uses evidence of nukes (molten steel, china syndrome) but denies nukes at all costs
31) Small iron microspheres found by Jones et al in WTC dust— evidence of steel vaporization by high temps of nukes
32) Pyroclastic debris cloud during WTC destruction
33) Upwards jutting debris trails reminiscent of debris trails formed during underground nuke test
34) Small bright flashes during destruction of both towers
35) Extremely compacted ground zero debris

Sorry, nothing there that is inclusive one way or the other except that something crashed into the Pentagon. But there are some mighty fishy things that have not been explained.

The largest being, only one camera at the Pentagon.

So let's go back to the Gulf of Tonkin and the USS Maine.

And then if I follow the money, the military industrial complex got what they wanted, wars. And the bankers got what they wanted, additional rights taken from the citizens. And it has just gone down hill from there. I going to have to go with conspiracy. The money never lies.

Sorry, still nothing conclusive. Too many things left unanswered.

Reversed burden of proof=logical fallacy.

The importance was in it's contents or supposed contents. But still follow the money, it doesn't lie.

Or is it that you are saying Bush was any more honest than Odumbo. Different puppets, same puppet master.

But then that would only be your opinion with no support in that opinion. And why would he need proof, he presented his theorem quite clearly and concisely. True, that it does not prove anything iron clad yet you are not able to poke holes in it except with conjecture and rhetoric.

I have seen nothing in this entire thread that proves either way except for following the money. The ones that have profited from this disaster has been the government and the puppet masters.

And I have seen additional material that still doesn't prove the conspiracy but does cast further doubt.

Not sheeple!

Me, what am I afraid of....



But even worse...



But it's not for me that I fear, if I were to die today I have no regrets to this point. But what I fear most are the future generations that I would be leaving behind, they don't deserve this. I fear that I haven't done all that I could to correct the errors of my, my fathers and grandfathers eras. We had life grand but each succeeding generation has started to be worse than the one before it and we allowed it to happen.

As a result you have but to look in the mirror to see the damage we have done.

I was wondering when you'd post this flawed opinion piece. You always use it, and it is full of nonsense and lies. Got anything like proof? No, 12 years and nothing but internet silliness from 9/11 truth.




Because it was merely an observation and I've shown it to be false previously on may occasions. Please don't start employing that canard.



No, he didn't present it as you believe, because it is merely unsupported opinion and rhetoric, THAT is why he needs proof.



Obviously, you are new here and are not privy to my many posts disputing the much revered Roberts. The OP uses this propaganda piece repeatedly. I've done this to death, see 'flogging a dead horse', for illumination. I could disprove Roberts' Gish Gallop, but no-one ever reads the evidence on this in my experience, so I don't bother. If you are genuinely interested I can help you, but if you're not, sorry, I won't waste any more time on it.



That means little, nothing that 9/11 truth produces proves a conspiracy, and the 'follow the money' canard is pure conjecture and rhetoric. 12 years on and the 9/11 truth movement has nothing but libel, innuendo, lies, fanciful tales and personal attacks.

I hear you on that one. The same things year in and year out.

Of course not...

"What good does it do me, after all, if an ever-watchful authority keeps an eye out to ensure that my pleasures will be tranquil and races ahead of me to ward off all danger, sparing me the need even to think about such things, if that authority, even as it removes the smallest thorns from my path, is also absolute master of my liberty and my life; if it monopolizes vitality and existence to such a degree that when it languishes, everything around it must also languish; when it sleeps, everything must also sleep; and when it dies, everything must also perish?

There are some nations in Europe whose inhabitants think of themselves in a sense as colonists, indifferent to the fate of the place they live in. The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called "the government." They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved. They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.

When a nation has reached this point, it must either change its laws and mores or perish, for the well of public virtue has run dry: in such a place one no longer finds citizens but only subjects."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

As the old proverb goes, can't see the forest for the trees.

Personal attack noted.

Do you realise that your complaint is as old as western civilisation (cf. Socrates)?

Yes that is the question. Why were they confiscated and where did they go?

Of the 85 tapes, many were irrelevant and the rest are available to view in the evidence for the Moussaoui trial.

I haven't seen anything shot down. But I do have to agree with the OP, there are a lot of holes in these so called proofs that just don't add up.

I supposed that back in 1898 you would have argued with the American government or how about 1964 and the Gulf of Tonkin. Government didn't lie either time did they?

So why the heck should they be believed now, you said so?